Scott Mills

[artnouveau]

When I said photos/videos I wasn't suggesting abuse photos?
Could be photos of SM with the lad in a house or workplace which proves an association.
Before phone cameras and in the 80s 90s I used to take loads of photos on nights out etc

 

[AllSeeingEye123]

When was this article published, do you know? (edit, just as I'm curious about timelines etc!)

BBC admit they've known about Scott Mills 'sex offences' probe for 9 YEARS but only sacked him after 'new info' emerged

March 2018 is mentioned under the above photo.

 

[AT_16]

Writing someone off as a child abuser when there's absolutely nothing concrete to go off seems a bit much to me at this stage. What definitive evidence is there right now that he groomed or abused a child? He's not been charged with anything, historically or today.

Some balance wouldn't go amiss until more comes out, surely? I'll happily join your side of the fence if and when there's concrete evidence and charges to go by.

i can understand your point for sure and yes of course some horrible people make things up (and i hate them just as much as abusers) BUT he’s been investigated by the police to the point a case was presented to the cps AND sacked from his job, those things aren’t going to both happen without some sort of proof.

I personally have seen both sides, i’ve been the victim of CSA for 8 long years of my childhood and because i was so frightened and confused about what happened to me by the time i reported it, it was essentially too late. The cps refused the case due to my mental state at the time (due to the abuse) and the fact id left it so long there was no “concrete” evidence but it happened and it was real and the officers even said we know he’s done it but without the cps we can’t do anything.

I’ve lived my whole life with that and from the other side someone who i was extremely close to was accused of SA and at first i didn’t want to believe it either because “surely not?!” but yes, they did do it even though there was no criminal conviction again and they also got sacked so both of these are why i am so “there’s no smoke with out fire” type of opinion.

Im sorry (not sorry at all actually) but i honestly think a lot of you will be ashamed when you others step forward and more comes out.

 

[Bread]

i can understand your point for sure and yes of course some horrible people make things up (and i hate them just as much as abusers) BUT he’s been investigated by the police to the point a case was presented to the cps AND sacked from his job, those things aren’t going to both happen without some sort of proof.

I personally have seen both sides, i’ve been the victim of CSA for 8 long years of my childhood and because i was so frightened and confused about what happened to me by the time i reported it, it was essentially too late. The cps refused the case due to my mental state at the time (due to the abuse) and the fact id left it so long there was no “concrete” evidence but it happened and it was real and the officers even said we know he’s done it but without the cps we can’t do anything.

I’ve lived my whole life with that and from the other side someone who i was extremely close to was accused of SA and at first i didn’t want to believe it either because “surely not?!” but yes, they did do it even though there was no criminal conviction again and they also got sacked so both of these are why i am so “there’s no smoke with out fire” type of opinion.

Im sorry (not sorry at all actually) but i honestly think a lot of you will be ashamed when you others step forward and more comes out.

And I am so terribly sorry that you have gone through that. Your bravery going to the police cannot be overestimated. I hope you got support and treatment to help you come to terms with this.

 

[Perpet]

Yes but that’s what we don’t know. The three year part could mean Scott had a relationship with this boy when he was 15 that ended when he was 18-19? And did Scott know his age? If the three year part means the boy was 13 at his youngest, well, bring on the death penalty.

How is it OK if he was 15 when it started? It's not OK now and wasn't then. I was a teenager in the 90s. I know how often it happened. It was never legal or OK. We weren't as grown up as we thought we were, didn't really look it, the men who dated us knew that, and the men we 'got off with' in clubs probably didn't genuinely believe us to be older, or care.

All that is irrelevant as I'd bet good money this was a grooming situation where the age of the victim was well known to the offender. A one off incident in/after a club would have been very unlikely, 16 years later, to spark a police investigation that was open for multiple years and resulted in a file being passed to the CPS. There wouldn't have been the evidence for it to get even that far.

 

[AT_16]

And I am so terribly sorry that you have gone through that. Your bravery going to the police cannot be underestimated. I hope you got support and treatment to help you come to terms with this.

thank you very much, that’s very kind i’m doing much better now thank you x

 

[KatLit]

The BBC have more info than what we have.

In any case I hope the alleged victim is okay and has a support network because some of the stuff being said about him is vile.

This FB group is horrible.

It’s giving PS vibes

That Yolande is the parasocial nutter with the enviable shirt!! OMG bleeping nasty!

 

[L3moning]

Im sorry (not sorry at all actually) but i honestly think a lot of you will be ashamed when you others step forward and more comes out.

I don't think there's anything to be ashamed of in saying "wait for more info", which is what the majority are saying.

 

[GrunkaLunka]

i was so frightened and confused about what happened to me

I am so sorry. This breaks my heart every single time I hear it. You deserved so much better and you deserved justice. I am glad to hear you're doing better now.

There will always be people who minimise and excuse abusive behaviour, and I don't know why. I've seen a regular poster who used to do this and doesn't anymore, so I have hope that others will change. I will always stand first with the victims.

 

[GingerJones50]

Does hint at maybe a confession



BBC knew of Mills police investigation in 2017, but recently obtained 'new information'
The BBC knew about a police investigation into DJ Scott Mills in 2017 but obtained “new information” in the weeks prior to his sacking and “acted decisively”, the corporation said.
In a statement, a BBC spokesperson said: “Scott Mills had a long career across the BBC, he was hugely popular and we know the news this week has come as a shock and surprise to many.
“We also recognise there’s been much speculation in the media and online since Monday. We hope people understand that there is a limit to what we can say because we have to be mindful of the rights of those involved.
“What we can confirm is that in recent weeks, we obtained new information relating to Scott and we spoke directly with him. As a result, the BBC acted decisively in line with our culture and values and terminated his contracts on Friday 27 March.
“The BBC has made a significant commitment to improve its culture, processes and standards. Last year, following an independent culture review, we set out the behavioural expectations for everyone who works with or for the BBC and we were clear action would be taken if these were not met.
“Separately, we can confirm the BBC was made aware in 2017 of the existence of an ongoing police investigation, which was subsequently closed in 2019 with no arrest or charge being made. We are doing more work to understand the detail of what was known by the BBC at this time.”

It sounds like at some point between the investigation and now, Mills has had communication with the victim, probably online, and not been very pleasant to him.

 

[Bread]

Where did you get that from?

 

[HotesTilaire]

A lot of people are just considering different angles because the information is missing. As a PP said, it’s a discussion, people are discussing opinions and new info is coming to light so people’s opinions change.

Personally I don’t want to jump in condemning someone until I feel there’s evidence to do so, doesn’t mean I dont believe the victim. I don’t even know who the victim is or what the exact allegations are - and that’s absolutely right, I shouldn’t!

Society will judge him differently if he met a 15 year old in a club who he says he assumed was 18, and they met up a few times over the years at a club, than if it was a 14 year old family member he regularly abused.

Nobody is saying the first is ok, just that it doesn’t scream pdf grooming and abuse like the second one does, some people would forgive the first, some wouldn’t. Nobody would forgive the second.

There are victims who have relentlessly pursued justice who are liars, and there are victims like Virginia Guiffre who we not lying and had to keep the pressure on in different ways for years. How the victim reports it isn’t an indication of lying or not being truthful.

So we wait to find out more, just kicking around ideas in the meantime.

 

[KatLit]

There isn't a massive amount of celeb support for him on social media. Mind you, Jeremy Vine should wind his neck in a bit, given that he was the first one to support Huw Edwards after his sacking!

 

[HotesTilaire]

It sounds like at some point between the investigation and now, Mills has had communication with the victim, probably online, and not been very pleasant to him.

That’s an interesting suggestion, but it’s not what is said in that piece.

 

[GrunkaLunka]

I understand that speculation is natural but it absolutely blows my mind the way people can make up their own little version of events based on nothing and then talk about them like they're based in fact. It also worries me that these people are probably eligible for jury service.

 

[Happy Alpaca]

I don't think there's anything to be ashamed of in saying "wait for more info", which is what the majority are saying.

Agree,
We all have different experiences that make us think the way we do...

Some people I know think CSA and other abuse are very rare, but due to work I've done and issues personal to me, I see it everywhere.

It's naturally a very emotive subject for those that are impacted, but I understand why some people just can't imagine the complexities of it, or how common it is. And in some ways... lucky them. It used to baffle me that some didnt understand, but it doesn't anymore. Abuse is horrendous and unimaginable, so if lives haven't been impacted by it, it's understandable that it's hard for them to comprehend.

All we can do is help each other see the different perspectives, and educate if relevant, or signpost to more info.

If people just attack and criticise each other, it doesn't help anyone. It just causes people to dig their heels into their own current perspective.

My comments here aren't aimed at anyone specifically and aren't strictly related to SM, as it isn't clear what has happened, but I'm sure we will find out more in the coming days and weeks.

If the thread is triggering anyone, just do what you know works for you, for your own self care 🫂

 

[GingerJones50]

Where was this reported? Have you got a link?

It was in the Daily Mail. Although they had a source saying the BBC didn’t know about the investigation yesterday and they did, so perhaps not reliable.

 

[ThisIsMyDragName]

I have friends who have experienced SA and at least two have reported it to the police. I’m aware in one case, the police were struggling to move forward with making an arrest etc on the basis of what my friend reported alone, however, there sadly were others who were unknown to each other but all making very similar reports which was beginning to build a much stronger case. I suppose the same might happen here, if there are others. I know before this got its own thread that someone in the celeb thread mentioned a friend who was groomed by SM, and obviously it’s unclear if this is the same person as the centre of the current news or someone different.

For anyone who has experienced SA, I can only say how sorry I am. And for those who have been able to find the strength to report it, I’m in awe. It’s easy for me to sit on the sidelines and say that it might help build a watertight case against an abuser but I can’t imagine the pain of being told it won’t be progressed at that point in time.

 

[SaLou]

I honestly can't tell if this is a piss-take or someone with a form of cognitive impairment.

I did a Google image search and found another photo of this woman from last year with her whole wall covered in Scott Mills posters.

 

[L3moning]

I understand that speculation is natural but it absolutely blows my mind the way people can make up their own little version of events based on nothing and then talk about them like they're based in fact. It also worries me that these people are probably eligible for jury service.

The issue is that people, as Simon and Garfunkel put it, hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest.