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GrunkaLunka

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Apparently the police do send certain charges to the police without an arrest like minor traffic offences or fraud. But not sexual offences. They can seek advice from the CPS on the investigation but the CPS can’t stop the investigation. The police didn’t find the evidence compelling enough to do further investigation like searching his hone or taking his devices. All the indications are that the evidence is very weak. No arrests, no further investigation, no searches and only one interview.
This is entirely wrong. The police can, and do send cases to the CPS for sexual offences. It's actually quite common, especially with historic cases. It can sometimes be for advice on charging but with historic cases it's usually because there isn't going to be a compelling amount of physical evidence.
It fucking annoys me when people come on these threads and start spouting utter bullshit with such authority.
 
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GingerJones50

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You can. If he is an employee of the BBC, the test is on the balance of probabilities, not beyond any reasonable doubt. So if there was some evidence of wrongdoing, that might have been enough for the BBC to dismiss. Or they could’ve just taken the risk and sacked him.

However, from my reading of the situation, I think it’s a case that he didn’t tell them at the time of his appearance before the Police and the CPS being involved and preparing a file about the case. If his contract contained provisions around telling the BBC of Police matters then could dismiss on the dishonesty angle alone along with the potential reputational risk.
We don’t know that. He’s been on CBBC, hosts Children in Need and was on Radio 1 which has a lot of children who listen and did Road Shows etc. The BBC even has basic criminal records checks for extras on shows involvig children and the BBC routinely does DBS checks and background checks on DJs because they are high profile. So Mills almost certainly had an enhanced DBS which has to be renewed every 3 years and will contain details of sexual abuse allegations involving children even if they didn’t lead to a conviction. This is because the whole system was introduced because of the Soham murders were Ian Huntley had been accused multiple times of sexually abusing minor children without being charged.

The BBC almost certainly knew about it, but they would have have carried out a risk assessment and because it was a single, historic allegation with no other allegations in intervening years suggesting a pattern of behaviour they must have assessed him as not posing a risk. He wasn’t like Huntley where multiple unconnected people had reported him, there was a pattern and his job involved situations where he would be alone with children and was in a position of authority over them. They would probably have also noted that the allegation took place during operation Yewtree when a lot of nutters, including Carl Beech, came forward and made unfounded allegations against public figures.

Either the BBC massively fucked up by not following its own, published safeguarding policy by not regularly checking him or they knew but assessed him as no risk but are now backtracking on their own assessment. I suspect it’s the latter.

Someone mentioned the balance of probabilities. Given the allegation was made about a time when internet use was not widespread and mobile phones were not as common, especially amongst under 16s, it wasn’t reported until almost 20 years after the alleged incident/s and a report not not made the BBC until 10 years later, it’s hard to see how the BBC could have made a meaningful assessment of the situation unless there was bombshell evidence, and if there was bombshell evidence there would have been charges in 2016.

I’m not surprised he’s taken legal advice. Unless there’s something huge we don’t know, it does seem rather unfair, and if there is something huge, why no charges in 2016? Yewtree was desperate to prosecute people to the extent they were pursuing sick, dying and very elderly men for incredulous allegations that saw Carl Beech jailed. They weren’t letting people off even if allegations only had limited evidence.

I doubt the rest of their high profile staff will be feeling happy either. They are now in a situation where anyone who dislikes them, is obsessed with then or is just a crank can make unproven, unsubstantiated allegations against them and they’ll be out of a job. That’s not a very comfortable situation for any of them to be in.
 
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Libbylulu

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I have a friend who didn’t think Schofe did anything wrong because the boy wasn’t underage - Until I asked her if she’d have been ok with her son at 17 having a relationship with a 50plus yr old. Ohh no absolutely not she said.

If it had been my child male or female I’d have screamed blue murder until I was heard. The parents in the HE story were right to do what they did. No matter how long it’s been, if the victim was under age I hope he has support and people make no excuses for SM!
 
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CallaLily

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Yeah I dont see much wrong, aside the possible cheating, in the start of their relationship. 28 and 44 isnt an awful gap. 28 you're a fully grown man, no relationship power issue and depending on the individuals involved, not necessarily a big difference in mentalities.

If it was bad from the inside, then only he can say that.
Indeed. It very much depends on the timing. My husband is 15 years older than I am but we met when I was 32. A fully grown adult and no power or relationship imbalance. Had I been 15 and him 30, that wouldn't have been remotely the same. Or, if I'd been 20 and he in a position of power, wealth or influence*


*he wasn't in a position of power, wealth or influence when I met him at 32, which was disappointing :ROFLMAO:
 
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Serene Serena

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Honestly no, I don’t think there’s anything a former partner could say about me that could get me sacked or questioned by the police.
Nor me, but more recently I have realised that a lot of behaviour I put up with from men, when I was younger, were definitely not okay.
 
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It’s a historic sex offense allegation, in which the alleged victim was below the age of 16 at the time.

Many years later that victim is now an adult obviously.

I’ve known CSA survivors confide what happened to them in their much later years, it’s so sad they have carried this burden for so long but inspiring they felt finally able to share.

For a CSA survivor, being heard and being believed is important, and helps to shed any feelings of blame or shame. Justice also gives a lot of closure.
 
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Mark81

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I think it also goes a bit beyond age too, especially with a good section of these men. Its about how young they LOOK. You could have a 16 year old who looks 20 and he wouldnt be looked at. But a guy in his 20s who still looks very young will be jumped on (*cough* stephen fry).

The excusing of people like Schofield really annoys me as it reinforces the harmful stereotype that gay men are pedelos. Its not homophobic to say having any kind of romantic relationship with someone with 40+ years age gap and massive power imbalance is morally very wrong, even if not technically illegal. Made even worse if you've known the person since they were pre puberty.

I think most gay/bi men (and some straight too from stories ive heard) have experiences of significantly older men trying it on/harassing etc etc.

Age gap relationships can absolutely be a real thing with genuine love. But I have to say, most i know of the ones ive witnessed have a power dynamic/ownership aspect. One of my best friends was in one for 20+ years and suddenly left his older partner after covid. And it was only after leaving he saw how controlled he was and how unhealthy it was for him. Took him to his mid 40s to realise it though.
 
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Yel

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Statement:

'The recent announcement that I am no longer contracted to the BBC has led to the publication of rumour and speculation. In response to this the Metropolitan Police has made a statement, which I confirm relates to me.

'An allegation was made against me in 2016 of a historic sexual offence which was the subject of a police investigation in which I fully cooperated and responded to in 2018. As the police have stated, a file of evidence was submitted to the Crown Prosecution Service, which determined that the evidential threshold had not been met to bring charges.

'Since the investigation related to an allegation that dates back nearly 30 years and the police investigation was closed 7 years ago, I hope that the public and the media will understand and respect my wish not to make any further public comment on this matter.

'I wish to thank from the bottom of my heart all those who have reached out to me with kindness, my former colleagues, and my beloved listeners, who I greatly miss.'
 
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No one here can 100% say SM did commit a crime, nor can it be 100% claimed he did not.

How many people know him privately, he seems like able from his radio show, seems to have a good reputation.

Fact is the police put the case to CPS 10ish years ago who felt they could not successfully pursue a conviction.

Fact is there is an alleged victim.

I like SM, love his podcasts, he is hilarious.

The BBC definitely know more about all this than the Jo Public, they would not simply fire SM on grounds of what happened 10ish years ago.

Paedophiles walk amongst us, some are likable some not, in all guises.

I feel the next few days trickles of info will follow, much like in other cases, let’s see.
 
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Periwinkleblue

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It is confusing to me how somebody has been fired for behaviour for which there is no evidence. Either Scott has admitted the behaviour or this is surely open to challenge. It is hard to think what purpose is served by firing the man, other than bolstering the BBC's image as zero tolerance. Which we all know it isn't.
 
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banf83

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Honestly no, I don’t think there’s anything a former partner could say about me that could get me sacked or questioned by the police.
But there are vindictive bastards out there, I dated a guy who turned out to have a gambling addiction, he took me for a ride financially and ended up stealing money from me and when I threatened him with the police, he told me he would go to social services and report me for drug taking with my child at home and other really vile false allegations, at the time my son was 3 and I was a lone parent and terrified at the prospect of social services come to my door even though I had done nothing wrong than catch him stealing and realise he was taking me for a ride. He convinced me that he would make them believe I was up to no good. I was also in my probationary period at work and he threatened to contact them. I couldn't take the risk of a false allegation imploding my life. I let it go. I was distraught after and ended up off sick from work. The tears one day would not stop streaming down my face when I was sitting at my desk and they weren't really interested in supporting someone who was not under contract at the time and let me go (I understand I was a fucking mess). I know this is slightly different to what the OP was saying but I have learned not to trust anyone and have been single since and don't see me ever being able to trust someone. False allegations are a thing and unfortunately mud can and does stick,

I don't at this stage feel one way or another about Scott Mills, until further info comes out I will be reserving judgement.
 
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Yel

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He's just adding fuel to it. It's very hard to have enough evidence to take a case forward that happened so long ago, but there must have been a bit of substance seeing as it was sent to the CPS. Presumably they thought a prosecution was possible.

Kevin Spacey didn't get convicted but someone I know was raising issues with him a long time before it hit the headlines. And he did pay off a couple of people. But that's a whole other thing.
 
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Traazers

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This means jack shit. Look at all the industry people that came out in defence of “poor Huw Edwards” before they knew more. Jon Sopel and Jeremy Vine to name two of them.

This thread reminds me of the early days of the Huw Edwards scandal. Although less busy and fewer bum pics. But very much ‘this seems too harsh, he’s not been charged with anything, maybe it’s false allegations’.

If SM has been unfairly dismissed, then he has legal options he can take. But I expect BBC won’t have taken this decision lightly and whatever evidence they have is substantial enough to justify such a swift decision. It might not meet criminal standards but it doesn’t need to. And I’m glad employers don’t need criminal standards of proof before sacking people for poor conduct.
It's a discussion forum. People are discussing the current known facts of the case, as they were with the HE case. People will have opinions based on what they currently know, which is very little. There's no right or wrong in terms of discussion imo and opinions can and will change as more information comes out, which is expected and normal. There's a lot of moral tone policing taking place imo
 
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Mugginsme

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No opinion on the sacking issue as we don't have much info.

I would like to point out that yes pretty much all of us have a story of snogging and or more with someone older, when out. That is hugely different to something that spans three years. So those who are forgiving that can get in the bin.
 
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Bread

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Much-maligned Mary was spot on about quite a few things, particularly porn.

I don't know her stance on cling film but I suspect she would prefer a beeswax wrap.
 
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Sertraline Queen

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Not condoning anything at all id like to state before i go on

This person accusing scott and going to the papers as it looks like they are,why now? Why would you not say something sooner? Something dont feel right about this coming out now
Maybe because back in the day, nothing got done about celebrity predators but the worm has finally turned & they are now being held accountable? Perhaps the accuser watched the Huw Edwards dramatisation, and it triggered them to speak up again?
 
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Gym&Tonic

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I work in the industry and there is a huge culture of older gay guys with a penchant for very young twinks. When I was acting in the 00s it was a lot more brazen (“Kevin will love you” - said to a tiny 17 year old ballet dancer) and in recent years, more covert, but still very much alive and kicking (as we saw with Schofield). People dare not talk about it for fear of being branded homophobic. The younger looking and prettier the better. I’ve seen so much of it that I won’t allow my very pretty son to persue a career in dance, music, acting etc. It can be relentless, and I know of guys who are now married to women who did things with older guys in training or at the start of their careers as they were groomed into feeling obligated to. I am much more concerned about my son with SA than my daughter. We don’t talk enough about male victims as they are perceived as being more “up for it” and to criticise the twink culture is risky ground for being labelled homophobic. This is coming from someone who trained in musical theatre and has many amazing gay mates, it’s just one of the darker sides of gay culture that’s not spoken about enough IMO.
I saw a lot of defensiveness about this when the Schofield story broke and I defintely saw some people label it homophobic as a way of shutting it down.
 
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Dotty Merton

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You weren’t around in the 90s then I guess. Adults sleeping with underage people, girls in particular, was something the authorities turned a total blind eye to between the mid 90s and mid 00s. It was completely common for men in their 20s to be named as the father of an under 16s baby on a birth certificate and no action would be taken. The grooming gangs inquiry revealed that the Labour government took an official line that younger teenagers were capable of taking informed decisions about sexual activity and the age of consent was rarely legally enforced.

For years the age of consent was more of a guideline than a law, relationships between teens under the age of consent and people in their early 20s were much, much more societally accepted. Attitudes have undergone a huge sea change in the last 15 years or so.
'80's too, SM is of that era too. Same age as me. Gen X.

In your first paragraph, are you actually saying that you might have committed a sexual offence without realising? Come on now!
Seriously it does happen alas. I am one to think there are a lot of people out there shitting themselves because they cant remember what they did when they were drunk/caned. It actually happened to me a couple of years ago. My ex is booze allergic to one particular type of alcohol. Turns quick. Doesnt remember a thing about his bad behaviour the next day. There's a reason he is now an ex, it happened rarely but I just couldnt deal with his sweet face the next day but being afeared of the foulness he could spout after that tipple. He doesnt remember a thing, you can see it in his eyes, not a thing but he knows that he cant remember. There's a shedload of people from SM's generation who were so very very off their tits on pills and powder in late 80's early 90's rave scene they wont always remember what they did. I know because I was there, not off my tits, watching them.

I'm a 70's kid so the '80's were my teen years. It was quite awful how many men would follow you home from school, or to the shops etc let alone older men taking advantage. No mobiles, no texts, only 4 channels on the telly and one of them had james savile on every week. I had a number of older boyfriends and to this day I am confused why my parents didn't protect me more. My male gay friends had a very challenging time indeed and I know very well from drunk chatters that there will be increasing issues for others in the future about chem sex parties. Bless those not alive to tell more.

And yes, someone mentioned Boy George, wtf is he still on the box? Nasty violent man.
 
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