dispatches@channel4.co.ukDid anyone catch the dispatches email address at the end?
Do you have to have gone to the police to have been assaulted? Is that a requirement?Have they gone to the police?
I mean, they've outed him as (allegedly) a groomer and a rapist who was abusing his power and his status for years but has also been silencing those who speak out. And they also shown that the media industry has allowed this to happen by not challenging behaviour that would get most people fired and blacklisted from the industry.I’m not even a mad fan of Russell but so far I think this is a very weak expose? Using old footage of his self confessed risqué past out of context is a bit low hanging fruit tbh. The piece about him urinating in a bottle.. who cares? Obviously if he forced himself on anyone that is appalling, but have any of these women actually gone to the police? I’m not sure how comfortable I am with this new this new thing of destroying someone’s life publicly through the media when there are courts and a justice system set up for that purpose. A lot of the old footage that they have now used against him was Russel owning who he is and being upfront about his past. It’s a bit unfair and convenient to be used in another context against him
I think is management or agents dropped him today or yesterday?Since he runs all his own output, can he be cancelled? He’s not beholden to any MSM broadcasters anymore. I guess his agent could drop him…
Oh totally agree, wouldn't be surprised if we get one of these about him in a few years, if not sooner.I just think if they’re going after one, go after them all. David Walliams is equally guilty.
Since when is it not ok to ask questions? Questioning doesn’t equate to not believing.Do you not believe them?
Also, apparently being a vile misogynist is ok, as long as youToday I have learnt that many believe if someone has sex without valid consent, even if force or violence is used, it is only classed as rape WHEN the police are told and a conviction has occurred. Until that point it is valid joke fodder and not even a big deal.
Jeesus christ. I think I've had enough internet today
Me too, and then people wonder why women don't go to the police.Today I have learnt that many believe if someone has sex without valid consent, even if force or violence is used, it is only classed as rape WHEN the police are told and a conviction has occurred. Until that point it is valid joke fodder and not even a big deal.
Jeesus christ. I think I've had enough internet today
Interestingly as I watched this, it brought memories of my own sexual encounters from those times, that are very alike. And it’s only now I am older and the sex narrative has changed that I realise things that happened were wrong. I was raped at 16 but didn’t even realise what happened to me was rape until I was 28.What percentage of hetero western men are like this (rapey or potentially rapey), do we think? Totally unscientific - I’d love to hear your thoughts. My husband said he thinks it’s approx 30%, and I’d be horrified if I heard what men say when women aren’t there. It’s why he hates hanging out at “men only” type things (stags etc).
Okay so we can just bypass the judicial system now and go straight to exposing people on social media without giving them any chance of a defence or retort and use any footage we please out of context to back up our claims? Cool! I’m sure you’d be more than cool with this too if this happened to you or a loved one.Do you have to have gone to the police to have been assaulted? Is that a requirement?
What good does that do apart from drag you through a very traumatic process where you are highly unlikely to get justice?
Yeah I agree I don't know what I was expecting but I expected more for the hype built around it and the extended run time.I’m not even a mad fan of Russell but so far I think this is a very weak expose? Using old footage of his self confessed risqué past out of context is a bit low hanging fruit tbh. The piece about him urinating in a bottle.. who cares? Obviously if he forced himself on anyone that is appalling, but have any of these women actually gone to the police? I’m not sure how comfortable I am with this new this new thing of destroying someone’s life publicly through the media when there are courts and a justice system set up for that purpose. A lot of the old footage that they have now used against him was Russel owning who he is and being upfront about his past. It’s a bit unfair and convenient to be used in another context against him
Even in a court of law people are called as character witnesses to paint a picture of who the accused is and how plausible it is that they're capable of committing the crime.I’m not even a mad fan of Russell but so far I think this is a very weak expose? Using old footage of his self confessed risqué past out of context is a bit low hanging fruit tbh. The piece about him urinating in a bottle.. who cares? Obviously if he forced himself on anyone that is appalling, but have any of these women actually gone to the police? I’m not sure how comfortable I am with this new this new thing of destroying someone’s life publicly through the media when there are courts and a justice system set up for that purpose. A lot of the old footage that they have now used against him was Russel owning who he is and being upfront about his past. It’s a bit unfair and convenient to be used in another context against him
it was really jarring for me and my husband watching this (as two thirty-somethings now) seeing and remembering how completely different the culture was in the 00s when we were teens, and what was normal and acceptable, versus now.At least 50% I’d argue. And it’s depressing and shit. I think it was much worse back then, I remember laughing at his comedy back then altho I was in my late teens early twenties. I would also laugh along with male friends who made similar jokes and worked in a similar culture where women tended to laugh along with guys (at least in public). I’m not saying it was right but it was a different time.
Exactly, has anyone seen the rape convictions statistics recently? And those are the ones that make it to court.Do you have to have gone to the police to have been assaulted? Is that a requirement?
What good does that do apart from drag you through a very traumatic process where you are highly unlikely to get justice?
She's an absolute spanner who clung onto any celeb bad boy who made her look cool. Utterly pathetic.I’m not sure Fearne Cotton is an especially good judge of male character (i.e. Ian Watkins)
Maybe. He didn’t do anything with me that was non consensual but I was under 18 and would happily tell my story to them if I thought it might help other women… if that makes sense.Yeah I agree I don't know what I was expecting but I expected more for the hype built around it and the extended run time.
The stories are horrible and I completely believe the women, but I feel they've been let down by this exposé. I don't think some of the selective editing helped. Something this awful doesn't need added manipulation by editing.
With the email address at the end it felt like the programme was more a call to arms, which maybe it is. Maybe it's to get more women to come forward and get him charged.
This is the road we’re going down and people are cheering for it. It’s very dangerous. And because the issue is extremely emotive it is easy for people to miss how dangerous it is. My experiences with an ex partner mirror a lot of what was reported in the documentary incase anyone thinks I don’t believe the women.Okay so we can just bypass the judicial system now and go straight to exposing people on social media without giving them any chance of a defence or retort and use any footage we please out of context to back up our claims? Cool! I’m sure you’d be more than cool with this too if this happened to you or a loved one.
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