Preston Davey Trial

[TheMiceInTheShed]

He's coming across as pretty dramatic in the transcripts to be fair. The medical staff will sadly be used to grieving relatives reactions to being told a patient has died, and he must have presented as being more on the dramatic side, plus the fact one member of staff noted there were no tears.
Possibly "doing too much", the killer of Star Hobson was noted as being performative at the hospital.

Over-performative grief is very common in murderers and abusers. Not only in situations like this, but when eg a child has disappeared and the family make a public appeal on TV. There are signs that forensic psychologists can pin down that suggest that an individual needs checking more closely. (I'm not saying that they're always the guilty, party but it is rare that they don't know more than they're letting on.). I think it's a combination of attention-seeking, bad acting and self-pity ("Omigod I might get found out!).

There was one man who set fire to his home killing his (IIRC) six young children, who was in tears, begging the public to give the police as much information as they could to find the killer of his babies etc and something about his 'performance' alerted investigating officers to the fact that there was more to him than met the eye. It transpired that he wanted a bigger council house and so he had torched the one he had, with all the children inside it.

I know there is no "right" way to exhibit grief, but to people who are familiar with grief responses can recognise sincerity/ insincerity.

This isn't the case I was thinking of, but it is similar.

Derby fire deaths: Mick Philpott 'no right-minded father'

East Midlands Today reporter Simon Hare looks back at the Derby fire deaths

www.bbc.co.uk

Over-performative grief by guilty persons is very common.

 

[Rubyroo160]

The courts are open to the public for a reason, to ensure fairness and transparency in the justice system. There’s (hopefully) no covering things up and hush hushing if anybody can attend at any time to hear what is being said. Anybody thinking of attending is well within their rights to do so.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Jamie sounds like a nasty piece of work, his partner failed that baby too, I’d be interested in his defence as he was the one that went back to work but receiving the inappropriate photos. But also locked out of the house when his partner took Preston’s life. Did he lock him out to to horrible things? With Jamie being open about struggling to colleagues his partner should have escalated this or stepped up. This video shows the partner actually appears to be the dad whereas Jamie is distant. Poor baby, deserved better.

Poor, beautiful, trusting little boy.

I could tear them to pieces myself with my teeth.

 

[Ray_of_Sunshine]

I thought that when you're on hold with 111 there is actually an automated message that says any significant chest pain or breathing difficulties should hang up, call 999 or visit A&E asap.

I'm horrified by all aspects of this case but especially how quickly the placement with them happened. They seemed to think they were going to get an accessory rather than a human being, as JV seemed to be aggrieved that Preston wasn't perfect from day 1. I couldn't understand that thought process at all. Not comparing animals to children, but when adopting a cat or dog, it says it can take them months to decompress and adjust to a new home. Imagine then a child who has been in foster care since birth, bonded to a family and has had a very experienced and knowledgeable caregiver to then go to two strangers with seemingly no paternal instincts.

An accessory and a plaything to satisfy their sick perversions behind closed doors. It didnt suit them when they realised he had his own needs and cried too much.

The name thing really bothers me as well. What gave them the right to change it and start calling him something else? They tried to take that away from him too. I’m guessing his given birth name didn’t fit their aesthetic. The whole thing is revolting on every level.

 

[JarvisCockerSpaniel]

I wonder what their endgame was? Abusing a baby? The baby would eventually be able to talk and tell those around them what they were doing. I don’t get what they thought would happen. Makes me wonder if they knew he would die and they would end up in jail.
Ian Watkins didn’t adopt to do this so wasn’t continuously doing it to the same child. But these two adopted a baby to do this to who would eventually reveal what was happening as they go older.

Ian W did deliberately seek out single mothers with very young children with the view of carrying out sustained abuse, though. And did succeed in doing this with a woman who was completely complicit in it. He and these men are of a similar vein in my opinion.

Really makes you wonder what sickos are currently walking amongst us.

 

[Nelly's mum]

When my daughter was younger and nearly walking she fell and hit her head on the dining room chair. A complete accident and we were made to feel like we had hurt her. I know the hospital were only doing their job in our case but how has that hospital not raised all her injuries and frequent visits. 3 in 3 months!!!
The staff on them shifts should also be investigated!

When my son was around 4.5months he managed to crawl over stuff and pull a cup of tea over that had been left within his reach and it burned his wrist. It was my fault, I was careless and underestimated his curiosity and determination.

I took him straight to hospital - the staff were dubious that he could crawl, with hindsight he was just getting started and he was walking before he was 9months old.

I remember seeing 'mum upset' written on his medical notes - I realised I was being observed to see if my account of his injury appeared genuine, quite right too, I had nothing to hide.
I was so upset and absolutely mortified, luckily he healed up quickly within a week or two. I'm surprised concerns were not raised by Preston's repeated hospital visits

 

[IGiveUp22]

Yes Snapchat was a red flag for me too personally. I also found it weird they communicated so much on there together.

The photos I think the sheer amount, the strange staging in the bath with no water and a pillow and also the fact that clearly his genitals have been the focus of some of these photos means they’re not just innocent snaps that maybe all parents take.
Also, the time frame - it’s so so quick for him to be bathing with him and taking photos like this.

Spoiler: Gross thought

Just going back to the poo video description and the “extreme pornography” I’m wondering if there is a connection there it doesn’t fit the legal definition but I’m still wondering if there was some sort of sexual gratification from this for JV…I can’t even believe I’ve written that. This case is actually horrendous

 

[scantysandwich]

Was the perforated bowl on the day he died do we know?

I saw it reported by ITV:

 

[Ray_of_Sunshine]

One of the doctors also noticed abnormalities to Preston’s bottom. He said at the time he thought it might be a result of the drugs they’d used on him (in their resuscitation attempts) as he’d seen it before in paediatric resus cases. I’m guessing these abnormalities will come up again linked to the assault by penetration charges. Absolute horror show.

 

[Emsie]

I'm intrigued as to what the defense are actually gonna say. Maybe they will do a diddy, and not say anything cus it's all pretty damning isn't it. He was alive and happy and now he's abused and dead. What else is there left to say!

 

[dorydaryl]

Absolutely sickening. But it gives me some comfort that this weak, pathetic excuse for a man is going to find life in prison extremely difficult

Here's hoping it's a living Hell every day for the remainder of his miserable little existence.

 

[Ray_of_Sunshine]

It was John’s sperm found on the cot

 

[PaddyDomino]

‘I will fight you ’til the day I die’ - Teacher accused of baby murder warns police

37-year-old ex-South Shore Academy teacher told officers: “I have not done it. I will fight you ’til the day I die,” as he was questioned over the death of little Preston.

www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk

 

[nothinonyou]

I don't know how to do spoilers sorry but all the bruising to the forehead and then on the back of the head behind the ears, and then ultimately suffocation, says to me that baby was forcibly being held face down quite a lot, possibly to muffle screaming

 

[Liverbird2003]

Hidden for those who don’t want to read, it was mentioned in court on 27/04 the reason the prosecution believe the picture is indecent and sexual abuse.

The picture of Preston deliberately positioned and photographed slumped over the bars of the cot whilst asleep show liquid dripping from his mouth. Forensic swabs taken from the bars of the cot examined, stains consistent with the presence of fluid containing saliva, the microscopic characteristics of a sperm cell and a mixed DNA result that could have originated from cells from Preston and Mr McGowan-Fazackerly were found on that swab.

Reading that makes me want to cry. How can someone be so cruel? Cruel isn't even the right word. It is horrific. Poor little baby.

 

[LittleMy]

Just catching up on the podcast. The way JV described Preston as needy and spoilt by his foster carer makes me so angry and upset. Thinking back to my own child at 9 months, she was happy and secure but also wanted to be with me every moment of the day. To think those POS were keeping Preston away from the woman who he would have thought of as his mother during such a confusing period of his life is just so cruel and awful. And that’s before the abuse.
Someone upthread said they thought JV and JMF adopted Preston with the intention of abusing him. I think so too. They clearly did not have any loving feelings towards him. If you’re a pedalo you know that about yourself. No way did they think they loved kids and desperately wanted a child to love and raise.

This is what I believe too. There’s no way the sexual abuse just started out of resentment for the baby; this was their plan all along imo. As for the other dad, I don’t believe that he wasn’t involved in it too. He at the very least knew what was going on which in my view makes him complicit and I think more will come out about them both.

 

[Tofino]

Evidence such as that video can be released during a trial as long as the jury have already seen it but there is a legal process, I saw it during the trial of Lucy Letby when I attended in person.

The media can request specific evidence that they’ve seen presented. The judge asks both legal teams and the defence have an opportunity to argue against it but ultimately the judge makes the final decision. And I think during a high profile case there will be more requests.

I’m sure we saw some videos during the trial of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon too.

I think arrest videos are usually only post conviction as I’m not sure these are often used as evidence during the trials. Letby’s arrest video definitely wasn’t shown to the jury, for example.

 

[nothinonyou]

And that's just what they took videos of. I do think they adopted him for the purpose of abusing him. Why was he having so many seizures? It must be the constant abuse and torture

 

[maytoseptember]

The teacher Is known in my circles.

Ah. Unfortunately, lots of us have experience of people we know (and would never suspect) being heinous sex offenders. Myself included.

 

[Mancnet]

Following this awful awful case

Has there been anything said about the birth mum? I appreciate she must have her own issues for him to have been removed but imagine seeing what ended up happening to him.

I am intrigued to see what defence they put forward.