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I’m just listening to The Trial podcast and I’ve got to the part where foster mum returns to court to clarify the whole “Free Willy” time, and honestly I’m almost in tears.
I’ve mentioned before that I’ve come into contact with foster mum professionally, and she is genuinely one of the loveliest people I’ve ever met. Hearing the lawyer question her practice, integrity, and essentially call her a liar has genuinely pushed me over the edge a bit.
I just need people to know that she is an incredibly upstanding woman, very well regarded in the community for being kind, compassionate, and utterly devoted to the young people in her care. She takes her role extremely seriously, but always with so much warmth and love.
I 100% believe she is telling the truth. I just really needed to say that.
I’ve mentioned before that I’ve come into contact with foster mum professionally, and she is genuinely one of the loveliest people I’ve ever met. Hearing the lawyer question her practice, integrity, and essentially call her a liar has genuinely pushed me over the edge a bit.
I just need people to know that she is an incredibly upstanding woman, very well regarded in the community for being kind, compassionate, and utterly devoted to the young people in her care. She takes her role extremely seriously, but always with so much warmth and love.
I 100% believe she is telling the truth. I just really needed to say that.
Does the podcast have audio from the trial?
One thing I don’t understand is how there wasn’t more evidence of csa material when they searched the house/tech, I don’t believe for a minute they just started the horrific abuse of Preston without having some history in terms of at least watching images of child abuse. I also find it surprising that they only filmed the aftermath, Preston suspended over the cot bars for example. It’s all just so horrific.
I absolutely believe you.
Next to poor little Preston she is the person I most ache for in this - she must have had her heart torn out of her. I can't even begin to imagine what hideous pictures are haunting her dreams, or even if she manages to sleep at night. Poor woman.
I think they have hidden/ destroyed a LOT of evidence. It's my belief that JV was scrambling round like mad clearing away anything that implicated them, and that the two of them concocted their rooster-and=bull "drowning" story to cover up. Hideous pair.
I can’t understand why the prosecution didn’t make more of the sperm cell, dribble and significant injuries (unless they did and we are not privy it. I also can’t help thinking that pathology can’t have found anything to prove that the milky fluid was what we fear it sounded like
Is there anyone here who can explain a little more about how barristers are assigned to cases. Is it a case of you have to work the case you’re given by your boss? It feels a little discombobulating that someone who did a sterling job prosecuting LL is now defending this monster.
I almost started crying in the middle of Asda this morning. I walked past clothing for 12-18 month old boys. They’re so tiny. I’d forgotten.
Is there anyone here who can explain a little more about how barristers are assigned to cases. Is it a case of you have to work the case you’re given by your boss? It feels a little discombobulating that someone who did a sterling job prosecuting LL is now defending this monster.
I almost started crying in the middle of Asda this morning. I walked past clothing for 12-18 month old boys. They’re so tiny. I’d forgotten.
I absolutely believe you. I can imagine the kind of person she is. My neighbour (also my mums best friend) was a foster carer, and I saw so many children come and go. She was an incredible woman who loved all the children who crossed her door. Whether it was for a night or 5 years. Her last set of foster children were 3 siblings who ended up being with her until they each turned 18, then moved into houses either on the same street or within a few streets of hers because they adored her so much, they wanted to stay near her.
Re the winking comment on the previous thread. My kids couldn't wink until they were probably 3+. They would try, but close both eyes instead of just 1. I don't think it is an ability they have until much older (happy to be corrected as I am just going off my own kids' ability).
Yep completely agree, although I just assumed it was quite hard to delete/ destroy to the extent that he must have been able to but then I’m not tech savvy at all so no Idea how it all works.
I was on a train a few days ago and sat near a mum and her baby. The baby was adorable, jumping up and smiling at me. We got chatting and I asked how old she was. She said she had just turned 1, she was so small. I just thought how can anyone hurt a child, let alone do what they did to Preston. I cannot understand it, my brain will not compute.
Thank you to all the replies to me I really do hope he is found guilty as well. I feel for this jury. I remember from the Letby case being worried because the evidence was largely circumstantial, but I remember reading an analogy about breaking pencils. One pencil is easy to break alone, but 10 pencils is a lot more difficult. Relating that to circumstantial evidence really changed my view.
Children can't usually wink until they are over four years old, and many are much older - 6-7. They just don't have the fine motor skills to co-ordinate the muscles required - keep one eye open and intentionally close the other. They also take a while to realise that it is only one eye they have to close - cognitively this is a hard concept to grasp (just like when you first encourage them to blow their nose and they blow out of their mouths - just grasping the idea of it takes some doing).
There is no way poor little Preston was "winking".
I definitely believe there is numerous other devices they have got rid of somehow which I guess contains a history of abuse.
A KC will get a call into their chambers from the instructing solicitors and their Clerk will check the availability of the lawyer they requested. If he or she is available the case will be assigned to them. They “ can’t “ technically turn it down but it does happen as a clash can be created but it’s very very rare or at least it was.
This is a very high profile case for NJ and he defends and prosecutes. He is there to ensure a fair trial for his client and defend him to the best of his abilities.
He needs to sling mud at the wall and introduce doubt. That’s all he can do.
A KC will get a call into their chambers from the instructing solicitors and their Clerk will check the availability of the lawyer they requested. If he or she is available the case will be assigned to them. They “ can’t “ technically turn it down but it does happen as a clash can be created but it’s very very rare or at least it was.
This is a very high profile case for NJ and he defends and prosecutes. He is there to ensure a fair trial for his client and defend him to the best of his abilities.
He needs to sling mud at the wall and introduce doubt. That’s all he can do.
I'm not sure that my just 7 year old can wink properly yet so no way a baby could.
Cheeky, he's gonna break hearts etc etc stuff with babies always makes me gip.
Cheeky, he's gonna break hearts etc etc stuff with babies always makes me gip.
No, no audio or video allowed in UK trials apart from some judges sentencing remarks. JV is voiced by an actor
I think so too
Did JV say he left his phone at home on the way to the hospital? I wonder if that was deliberate, knowing there was a possibility the police would examine this when he took Preston to hospital - weird thing to do, especially when you admit your phone is an extension of you.
IIRC didn’t he also say in his initial interview that he had “forgotten” about the seizure he recorded the day Preston died? I don’t believe he mentioned the seizure in the hospital either. It only came up when the police confronted him about it when they found it on his phone. Likely one he hadn’t managed to successfully delete the evidence for
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It would not surprise me one bit if there was positive bias towards a gay male couple, especially camp and “sassy” JV.
If they were indeed fast tracked, or given preferential treatment (in terms of being given a baby rather than an older child), well, you’d have to wonder whether the agency thought it would reflect well upon them as an organisation, and help tick a few diversity boxes as well. Imagining the social media campaign they could run in a few years, encouraging more gay men to become adopters.
It would not surprise me one bit if there was positive bias towards a gay male couple, especially camp and “sassy” JV.
Yes, I did think it a developmental thing they needed to master. I hope this is brought up in the trial? That it wouldn't have been possible for him to wink?
I just can’t work it out. Originally I thought he was slumped over at the waist. I can’t work out how he’s fixed in place, hanging over by his neck especially as people are saying his feet aren’t touching the mattress. Or maybe I’ve got that wrong. You’d think gravity would do its thing in that instance and he’d fall backwards.
I can’t imagine entering a room and seeing a baby like that with blue lips and tongue and doing nothing about it but take pictures.
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