So was it just Caroline flack wasn’t with the same pr company that she wasn’t protected? Because love island was one of itvs biggest shows you’d have expected her to be protected
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So if this is true, we have our answer about 'why they don't just come out'. Because it's not straightforward healthy relationships with other men they are into. I personally wouldn't call that 'gay' I would call that something else entirely.
I’m probably naive but I just can’t understand why a PR company would cover that kind of thing up especially after Saville.
Newspapers are happy to collude with some celebs and throw others to the wolves. It all depends how powerful they / their management company are and whether they are tight with the media bosses. Most of what we read is complete rubbish - deals being done with fake / lesser stories printed to hide real stories. Watch 'Starsuckers' on youtube for more on this. It's hard for people to believe but this is how it works.
that's the best name I've ever heardJust had a look at the mumsnet link not too sure what has gone round on there but I had to screenshot this. I love the name chocolate quilted tit pig
I didn't know much about her until after she died, at which point I quickly figured out she was a lovely person with a lot of integrity and good values. That sort of person doesn't seem to go down too well in that industry. That's why I don't think it's as straightforward as who pulls in the most money or ratings or whatever, cos she was hugely popular yet there was a definite agenda to destroy her.
Someone said watch out for the ones the papers vilify, cos they are likely to be the good ones and the ones the papers promote and protect are probably fake as hell with a basement full of skeletons. This is an industry that protects 'their own' and by 'their own' I mean the ones that seem to be arseholes in some way.
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So basically there’s so many illegal things going on in tv and media that anyone who seams like they might out it gets their reputation destroyed? MentalNewspapers are happy to collude with some celebs and throw others to the wolves. It all depends how powerful they / their management company are and whether they are tight with the media bosses. Most of what we read is complete rubbish - deals being done with fake / lesser stories printed to hide real stories. Watch 'Starsuckers' on youtube for more on this. It's hard for people to believe but this is how it works.
that's the best name I've ever heard
I didn't know much about her until after she died, at which point I quickly figured out she was a lovely person with a lot of integrity and good values. That sort of person doesn't seem to go down too well in that industry. That's why I don't think it's as straightforward as who pulls in the most money or ratings or whatever, cos she was hugely popular yet there was a definite agenda to destroy her.
Someone said watch out for the ones the papers vilify, cos they are likely to be the good ones and the ones the papers promote and protect are probably fake as hell with a basement full of skeletons. This is an industry that protects 'their own' and by 'their own' I mean the ones that seem to be arseholes in some way.
From all the evidence, I wouldn't be surprised. Obviously we don't know anything 100% but it doesn't look good. This country hasn't had a 'me too' movement the way the US has I'd say because of how well protected powerful people are by the courts and the media.
We know also how investigations into historical child abuse by powerful politicians and other elite figures have been sabotaged again and again.
I'm always reminded of this article too about historical paedophilia at the BBC, which shocked the absolute hell out of me. If anyone reads it, be warned - it's a long read and extremely upsetting in parts.
Andrew O’Hagan · Light Entertainment: Our Paedophile Culture · LRB 8 November 2012
The BBC isn’t the Catholic Church, but it has its own ideals and traditions, which cause people to pause before naming...
www.lrb.co.uk
I don't like it that when people die they suddenly become saints and full of "integrity" and "good values". Caroline Flack made good tabloid fodder because that's what she made herself. A few weeks before she died I looked over her Instagram and spoke to my friend about it, I couldn't understand why a successful 40 year old woman felt the need to constantly put naked and risqué pictures of herself on social media. It was obvious to me then, and unfortunately later proven, that she was obviously massively insecure and needy. She was a very pretty woman and a great TV host, she didn't need to go public with a seemingly endless stream of boyfriends but she did and that's why she was in the papers. I'm not saying she was to blame entirely and if she was newly famous it would be different, but she'd been around for quite a long time, she knew how the papers worked. You can't court them like that and then tell them to piss off because the stories aren't positive. If you're living your life with less privacy and inviting the press in then it stands to reason that you're going to have less clout when you really mess up and need some clever PR to cover your tracks. That's not to say Caroline didn't play the game, because she did. Equally we have been told that Caroline Flack *did* have her ex partners sign NDAs and it has been heavily hinted that she was violent with other exes too. I'm not saying anyone should look into her past at all because truly what happened to her is a tragedy and she should be left alone, but she shouldn't be brought into this thread unless it's to talk about PS's time line narrative because it has undoubtedly affected that. She wasn't a paragon of virtue.Newspapers are happy to collude with some celebs and throw others to the wolves. It all depends how powerful they / their management company are and whether they are tight with the media bosses. Most of what we read is complete rubbish - deals being done with fake / lesser stories printed to hide real stories. Watch 'Starsuckers' on youtube for more on this. It's hard for people to believe but this is how it works.
that's the best name I've ever heard
I didn't know much about her until after she died, at which point I quickly figured out she was a lovely person with a lot of integrity and good values. That sort of person doesn't seem to go down too well in that industry. That's why I don't think it's as straightforward as who pulls in the most money or ratings or whatever, cos she was hugely popular yet there was a definite agenda to destroy her.
Someone said watch out for the ones the papers vilify, cos they are likely to be the good ones and the ones the papers promote and protect are probably fake as hell with a basement full of skeletons. This is an industry that protects 'their own' and by 'their own' I mean the ones that seem to be arseholes in some way.
Just read that Holly has quit Celebrity Juice along with her hubby. Wondering if she's trying to clean up her image a bit. The way things are going I can't see her and PS continuing to present This Morning by this time next year.
That’s a very interesting development!
I know right? The plot thickens
They’re absolutely real! It’s straight from PS’s Insta, captioned ‘lockdown hair options’. He’s clearly struggling without someone to groom him... (oh the irony!!)
There were hints about Dec many years ago. When he split from Claire Buckfield I think her name was, she was reported as saying that he just wasn’t interested in her. Carnally I mean. According to a college mate, who was an extra and worked on a show with Ant and Dec. The Baker Grove one. Dec was in love with Ant and desperately wanted to take the friendship further, but Ant declined nicely and they kept the friendship.
It’s their job though - that’s literally what crisis PR companies are created for.
Its a hair system.
They are real hair fixed onto a skin like membrane.
The hair is dyed to whatever colour the guy wants.
Some do have grey bits put in to make them look more realistic.
I'm certain he wears one.
Loads of guys do. Specially actors.
What the heck.
If it helps their self esteem and confidence - great invention.
Expensive though, but he can afford it.
Still don't belive he takes drugs though.
How much will they cover up? Illegal stuff? Where do they draw the line? And say if something awful is revealed and a celebrity is charged shouldn't those who kept the secret be equally in the wrong? I couldn't sleep at night if I thought one of my clients was a pweirdo or similarly disgusting , couldn't have it on my conscience, and I couldn't turn a blind eye to it.
I wish high profile gay people would use their position of influence and come out.
It would help so many other who are scared to come out for whatever reason.
It would help to make homophobic people change their way of thinking.
Not overnight, but it would help.
Again - its money. They fear losing their humungous earning capacity if the millions of homophobes out there stop liking them.
So they hide their sexuality.
Of course, sex lives are private and no need to go into actual details, but if they are gay - just let it be known that you are and move on.
Solicitors and Barristers who defend criminals have to do their job when their client is guilty.
Their job is to get them off the hook.
Same with PR people.
Takes a certain kind of person to do jobs like that.
As you said, turning a blind eye would be impossible for me too.
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Ohhh I thought they were more for a one off accident type thing. I’d assumed there would be more morals if people have been groomed and would keep being groomed if you help cover it up.
It’s definitely down to money and wanting to portray a certain image To maximise income imo. Phil has gotten a lot of work due to his fake ‘family man’ image over the last 20-odd years that has turned out to be a complete lie. That’s why I found his coming out so off putting, it was so fake and that’s what led me to tattle since this is the only place we can openly discuss it. The general public seem to love him still probably thanks to the work his PR company have done, but I think more and more people are starting to see through him. The fact that he still insists on wearing a wedding ring is laughable to me, who is he trying to kid, really. Take it off you old fool we all know your marriage is over fake or not. I can’t wait for it all to come out and people see what he’s really like. It’s bound to happen sooner or later surely
And I agree that if he was going after young girls people wouldn’t be so forgiving of him. Well some would as long as the girls are 18+, but most normal people find it incredibly creepy when men in their 50/60’s get romantically involved with a teenager even if they are ‘of age’. At 18/19 you’re in a completely different place in your life compared to someone in their 50’s. It is weird, I don’t care how it’s dressed up. I wonder what openly gay men like Rylan make of him and his whole coming out fiasco. I bet they don’t see him as ‘stunning and brave’ at all given the circumstances and the fact that people in the industry already knew. I thought Ruth looked super awkward on the day he ‘came out’. She has a good poker face mind.
Heh heh - Ruth's poker face is a gritted teeth smile.
And you can almost read her thoughts as she grins and bears it!!
And Rylan is a good example.
He's never hidden his sexuality and he's
Still raking in the money and getting loads of telly work.
What people hate is "stars" pretending to be something they aren't.
So pay attention Dec, lorraine (the actress) kelly and Phillochio.
Interesting, because her ex who previously slated her is full of guilt now and admitted he was a tosser in the way he behaved towards her and what he said publicly. And her bf showed us the 'violence' was basically a massive smear (what really happened on that night is a hugely different version of events to the ones the tabloids sold us). It's one thing having the press intrude on your private life, which goes with the territory, and quite another when they print massive lies about you and set out to destroy someone who was in an extremely fragile way. In fact it's a strawman to say 'you can't just tell them to piss off because the stories aren't positive' because this is the very least of what they were doing.
The photos of herself are neither here nor there - woman can pose however they want and that doesn't rule out that they can be good people too (shock horror). Wonder if you want 40+ men to cover up on their IGs too? Sounds like classic misogyny / internalised misogyny to me (ditto with the comments about her boyfriends and the 'appropriate' way she should have been behaving).
The NDAs may or may not be true but can't see any evidence that she was a toxic person at all. She may have been 'insecure' and 'needy' but again that doesn't make anyone a bad person, it just makes them human and women have a lot instilled in them by this society to be insecure about.
I suppose our definition of 'good values' differs widely from person to person. She seemed a progressive person with a kind heart and that's my definition - and that is usually the type of person the tabloids really don't like and do not protect. Her last tweet was promoting a vote for a fairer society - a far cry from what you'd see coming from Cowell, or Schofield, or anyone like that.
I only looked into her more because the outpouring of love and grief for her was on a scale I hadn't seen before.
These PR people / agents / companies SHOULD be held accountable, but that isn't how things seem to work in this country, for some reason. There is a lot of corruption / collusion at high levels it would seem.
I've posted this before on this thread, but take a look at what Max Clifford is saying in this undercover footage (he is conveniently out the way now).
(watch from 26mins up until 31mins)
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