Pete Doherty

[MunHun]

Whaaaaat???? Poor Maccaulay, first a plaything for Wacko Jacko and then this man?

You're right about the lost boy routine he does - all doe eyed and soulful. I read an interview where he said he would exaggerate his drug dependence and encourage his roadies to tell the press how terrible his addiction was, then they would split the proceeds for the resulting 'look at him, he's out of it' photos in the tabloids.

He is utterly repulsive to me I don’t know how anyone could be a fan of his. I would say he definitely played up to the media and used them to his advantage knowing he had some weird teenage cult like following and all these stories about him would just keep him in prominence and open up money making avenues for him.

 

[maytoseptember]

I’m intrigued to hear that his wife started filming the footage over ten years ago, before they became a couple and when he was in active addiction. So she was one of his hangers-on and he eventually deigned to be in a relationship with her? That does not sound like the basis of a happy healthy relationship.

 

[Lavendergreendillydilly]

Love the Libertines and Babyshambles as well as his solo stuff - it's a shame he seems to be a shitty person regardless of the addiction. From what I've briefly read on here, it seems he's dragged a lot of people down with his demons and has been responsible for tragedies.

I haven't seen your story but I'm sorry you had a bad experience, I hope you're not left with too much trauma or anything.

No trauma just a deep deep hatred. I did my best to stay out of his way but sometimes it was impossible. Where ever he was there some kind of drama. I would hate to think there are still people who idolise him now or even what he was.
For the most part I just witness the choas from the corner but..
At not quite so young an age a friend of mine was in a really shit place and was quite unwell and she got sucked into his vortex and it didn't end well. He latched on to people (some of them famous, I'm sure you can guess who I mean) dragged them further down. And, as mentioned here, had no qualms about young people joining in his worst habits.

Ps Alan Wass who was part of the Robin Whitehead tragedy also died about 5 yrs back in a pretty horrific way involving drugs. Rumour has it years before someone told him that smoking crack was what the cool kids did and he wouldn't get anywhere if he didn't do it because he'd be excluded.

*Edited the age of my friend because it might give me away*

 

[Foxvint]

I wanted to add that Marks watch was missing when he was at the hospital, and in the CCTV Pete picks something up from the floor/Mark (not quite clear to be sure) but I'll bet he pinched his watch, it was worth about £600. Also why hasn't the woman with Pete when they legged it been willing to make a public statement?

I wondered why there wasn't any speculation as to what that was. A watch wouldn't come off a wrist with a fall though. Could he have picked up something that fell out his pocket? Had Mark taken something from someone that they wanted back at any cost? Why didn't Pete explain his actions there?

There's a comment upthread that 'Pete did it'. If anyone knows anything that allows them to assert such a thing they should go to the police. If they don't, they shouldn't be making statements like that. This is murder or manslaughter, not backstage goss.

 

[Lavendergreendillydilly]

This ain't a court room. No one owes evidence.

 

[British Romance]

I thought he came across terribly on the documentary. Really insincere and a pathological liar. At times, it was almost like he was trying to convince himself.

He clearly does none of the looking after his child and he is blatantly still taking drugs and drinking. I was alarmed when he bumped into that guy at his hotel who invited him to an afters party. He was clearly still up for taking anything and everything. No remorse for the murder of Michael.You couldn’t believe a word that came out of his mouth.

 

[Lavendergreendillydilly]

Can you elaborate on any of the bad deeds that he’s done? No problem if you’d prefer not to.

Aside from my friend I mentioned, he was rude and chaotic and forgetting things from the papers..first hand experience only: I saw him kick someone down the stairs once. I was off my head, admittedly but remember being frozen still from the shock of seeing it. He went to smack a friend of mine when she told him to piss off at a party once. He's stolen from mates of mine, when I strongly believe he had no need to at the time. Using syringes on front of young, impressionable people. He wrote in blood on the walls of a flat someone I knew was renting. He wasn't even supposed to be there, he just turned up. I rarely hung around if he was there but if I did, I never saw the night end with out a row or some violent/bloody behaviour. Just. Ugh. Gross. Yes he had those classic moments that you might read in a book about a rolling stone or whatever, like turning up at parties with cats in hats or handing out sliced pans at north london gigs and I laugh as I think of them but it doesn't tip the scales in his favour. Part of me would like to think he's calmed down and living a happier life now and that those in his life experience a much calmer version of him. I really hope he has changed.

* Once again editing the relationship I had with some of the people mentioned to conceal my identity I'm terrible at this *

 

[lilly92]

I know the general consensus on here is he's a no-good junkie but I am a huge fan of his music and if you ever read or watch interviews with him, or even read his lyrics, you can tell he's a very intelligent person. IDK about all those rumors of him leaving people to overdose though, that's pretty horrible if true :/

 

[Foxvint]

He is not an addict in recovery. Swapping heroin for alcohol just makes the addiction different - and whilst under the influence of alcohol any hope of discipline is out of the window.
It appears (from the documentary) that he is still using drugs as well as booze. Perhaps he is not partying and using heroin like he did, but he doesn’t look or sound like he in recovery at all.
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Also in the Theroux doc, Doherty starts talking about sugar when his addiction is mentioned. It really stood out to me that this is the sort of nonsense that addicts will talk about - to swerve any proper discussion and recovery. I’m sure that taking sugar in his tea is the least of his worries.

Often in addiction the partners / family etc are not really considered. They have the most miserable lives - constant worrying / trying to help the addict / find them when they go missing / live in fear of dealers coming for them / paying off dealers and having to constantly clear up.
I noticed the sadness in his wife’s eyes - no doubt she is doing all of the parenting for the baby. She had that sadness about her that partners of addicts often have.

Agree. Addicts swop 1 sensation for another. That running into the freezing sea thing - that's about trying to feel something. If you spent 10, 15 years high, real life would seem muted and underwater.

He admitted as much that Katia is doing it all with the baby when he said Katia's doing a great job. Bet his other kids were thrilled with the throwaway comment of 'technically I've got 2 other kids'. Oh Peter ffs.

Those tequila shots before the gig didn't seem like a ritualistic celebratory have 1 with the boys thing. It seemed like quiet urgent need in order to be able to get out there. I think he's a real introvert naturally. Lots of drinkers are and we need the booze cocoon to be able to handle the cacophony of social engagement.
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I reckon he'd either messed around on her on tour or used again and got an ultimatum and said marry me as part of his grand gesture of change and that's why he got so emosh talking about it and wanted the camera off.

If you haven't seen the wedding pix click below. She's the cutest rock n roll bride. Why are French women so friggin cool.

 

[SpiceWeasel]

I have limited sympathy for Lisa Moorish complaining that PD and the father of her daughter, Liam Gallagher are deadbeat dads. What did she expect I have no tea on anyone but my mother in law knows LG’s mum Peggy

 

[Dizzy]

Maybe it's different among the rich - which I don't know that Pete even was - but I've never heard of any junky who would waste a taste on someone unconscious just for the lols. I mean what would the point have been? Unless he actively wanted to try to kill them, and why would he have done that? If they were passed out he could have smothered them or something.

In short, Pete would sensibly have been holding on to that smack for use later on.

This is my take on it, admittedly backed up by absolutely no facts. I don't understand why he, or anyone, would do that unless they wanted to kill someone.

Watched the Theroux documentary last night and it brought me here. I thought the explanation about Mark Blanco, whilst kind of understandable, ie, he didn't wanted to get nicked again, is indefensible. Regardless of what you have on you, if you see someone injured/dying in a street, you don't run past them do you? The most natural human emotion and reaction is to see if you can help that person. He also (I don't think) said anything like "I'm sorry he died" or "I'm sorry it happened" which I think he should have. Maybe he can't for legal reasons, but he didn't seem to have much empathy about what happened which surely most people would.

 

[Discombobby]

I agree, I thought he came across as a classic junkie eternal victim man child refusing to take any responsibility for his actions. A fragile little boy with a lovely bohemian wife who is now forced into the very unsexy role of ‘er indoors for eternity.

I know it sounds like a small thing but I was particularly dissaointed when he was showing Louis around the provincial town he now lives and was showing off that he owed a restaurant owner money so he needed to hide. It reminded me of something an 18 year old boy would have said to me when I was 15 to impress me. Pathetic.

Grow up Pete!

Sorry I'm late to this convo as only just read this, but I totally agree he was bang out of order saying he bailed on a restaurant bill, in a tiny village. That really is teenage, but even a 15 yo would do it in a place that was far away from their home. His wife seems like she's completely enamoured with him and happy to give her family's money to support him. She prob had to sneak down to the restaurant and pay the bill for him when he was asleep at 2pm after a 4 hour calvados binge. Not her own money as she doesn't have any, her dad's a millionaire though. He only dates rich birds. He loves working class men though, weirdly.

 

[Make It Stop]

Like all addicts who come from a more grounded and middle class background they don’t seem to be smeared with the same scumbag title as working class addicts.

History has always romanticised the intellectual or talented drugs users as edgy, bohemian, experimental and troubled. The working class addicts who don’t seem to have any redeemable qualities are wrote off as scum, drains on society etc.

IMO Peter was a greasy little con man back in the day who would have sold his own granny for a fix and cares only for himself. I haven’t watched the documentary yet but it sounds like he hasn’t changed much.

 

[Venuslurker]

What’s the story with the marriage proposal- that part was weird?

That bit really made me laugh,
Pete: stop filming!
Louis: you don't have to tell us...
Pete: okay I won't tell you......*proceeds to tell us anyway*
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I thought he came across terribly, all his previous charm gone, just a bloated old selfish alcoholic left. Sorry if that's harsh. The way he spoke about Marc blanco was awful, as if he deserves being chucked off a balcony because he was being annoying.

 

[Dizzy]

This is such a juvenile question but here goes, to those who knew/met him back in the day, did he smell?! He looked absolutely filthy, like dirt engrained in his skin filthy so I can’t believe he washed much plus he always looked like he had a proper bead on.

 

[A-Soul]

Had a few radio friendly hits and clung onto some sort of relevance due to Pete being photogenic and being in the Camden scene at the time.

The relevance came from Pete’s long-term boning of Kate Moss. Otherwise he’d be no different to someone like Johnny Borrell from Razorlight.

Had he been around in the mid/late 90s he’d have just fitted in with some of the members of Suede, who used to go out and do heroin wearing adult sized nappies.

 

[Silverback]

He’s such a dickhead. Lives in a posh heap surrounded by detritus in a desperate bid to be deep and artsy but actually he’s privileged and had every opportunity afforded to him. He’s like the living embodiment of what Pulp’s Common People is about. In his head he’s a poet, elegantly slumming it while drinking himself to death, but everyone else thinks he’s a self-indulgent waste of space loser.

 

[MunHun]

After reading the gossip shared by some tattlers in the secret celeb gossip threads I thought it would be interesting to have a thread for Pete Doherty as he is such a shady character. I find peoples fascination with him strange and I’d like to hear other peoples accounts/opinions on him.

All I know about him is that he was a founding member of the libertines and Babyshambles, he is a poet and he is a heroin addict. I know he came from a good background and that he has a son with Lisa Moorish and a daughter with someone else and of course him and Kate Moss were once an item.

 

[TheOneWhoSnarks]

a blind item that alleged Pete had killed numerous women by injecting them with more heroin when they were already passed out

Maybe it's different among the rich - which I don't know that Pete even was - but I've never heard of any junky who would waste a taste on someone unconscious just for the lols. I mean what would the point have been? Unless he actively wanted to try to kill them, and why would he have done that? If they were passed out he could have smothered them or something.

In short, Pete would sensibly have been holding on to that smack for use later on.

 

[Flowerpotgirl]

Oh, Ok I'm sorry. I meant I disagreed with planning ahead part. I didn't make that very clear. x
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We were talking about Pete's money...and I just saw this (probably semi BS) article in Daily Fail- (apologies if link doesn't work, lol)

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...-quitting-hard-drugs-moving-rural-France.html

they also said Katie Price was worth 45 million, and that wasnt right either, so who knows...