Nurses striking

[anotheronebitesthedust.1]

Personally im not interested in the lump sum, everytime i get a lump sum, it pushes me into the next pension brackets so I come away with less pay than what i would normally get

 

[Tui]

Aw do you reckon?! I couldn’t sing their praises enough you know I’ve had all my kids there as well as the broken arms and bumped heads. I think they’re fab

Funnily enough it was the RMCH I wasn’t keen on

Nah MRI is also a bit of a shit hole although can’t speak for the the children’s. I imagine if you have something rare it’s great, but if you want care for something run of the mill then a local district general would be grand

 

[Merpedy]

so if pay increases, it stops nurses from leaving for jobs where we can get more money per hour so if the nhs retains the staff , means theres more nurses on each ward. If theres more nurses on each ward means better ratio for staff to patients, nurses arent having to give up days off or annual leave to help manage wards. If theres more nurses on each ward, nurses can have breaks which we dont get paid for which overall improves staff performance ,better morale and also less chance of burnout

Would there be an influx of nurses though? I understand the importance for the current staff and honestly they can all strike away to their hearts content and I hope something is achieved, but at the same time I don't see this fixing the staff shortages in the long term if people don't see nursing as an attractive option because the profession overall is demanding and will likely remain underpaid based on that

 

[anotheronebitesthedust.1]

They don't take 100% of your lump sum in deductions though do they. So you're not worse off.

You earn more you pay more in tax/NI/pension etc. But they don't take all of it.

If you paid £600 more in deductions you still would have taken home probably £1200 more NET than a month with no lump sum.

I’m not following
So every month I have approx £900 deducted from NI , tax , pension , student loan
However when we got the back dated pay one year and a lump sum , it put me into the next pension bracket so I had more deducted from me that money so instead of walking away with say 2.7k a month , I walked away with 2.1k amonth

it wasn’t just me ,there was all uproar all over the Facebook group for our trust , there was sooo many people who walked away with less because of the pension bracket and also pension arrears

 

[Tui]

I never said leave and do retail work, not once. Ihave called you out on looking down and making unsavoury remarks about low skilled jobs. Also in general you have shown that you think you are better than others.

I’ve said from the start why I’m not pro strikes in this economic climate. I have also said I’d be supportive if it was a year or two down the line when the economy have recovered. But still you are continually making remarks about people and how idiotic they are for not being supportive.

Initially the thread was called OPINIONS and we shared them.
And if you are tired of the thread why keep returning trolling those you consider “below” you.

Let’s be honest not a single person have been able to show where in the public media it’s not been about pay. You can’t quote the RCN and some nursing magazine/website. Who outside of the medical field reads those?
But the biggest issue is the union reps who go on tv, smirking and just talk about pay

I’ve never once called any idiotic

and my comment about repeated tropes was a general observation and not directed at any one person and there have been people who haven’t said anything like this either.

who strikes when economic times are good? Anyway I’m sure the BMA can’t rely on your support when we potentially strike next month which is a shame but our campaign is all about pay

 

[instasham13]

Hopefully they will atleast be offered the equivalent to their Scottish colleagues to prevent strikes. That still isn't enough though imo.

 

[Tui]

No one begrudes nurses a payrise. I've said this time and time again throughout this thread.
Nurses are literally acting like everyone is living their best life whilst they are standing in line at a foodbank and it's not true. Nurses have actually in fact had a payrise, I think it was around 6%. I do actually think that is a little low but it's still waaaay more than most people got.
The insinuation that nurses cannot survive on 33k and are using foodbanks is insulting when people earning less aren't using foodbanks.
The chip on shoulder nurses are currently sporting is unattractive at best. We, the public, do not owe you a damn thing. We pay for the NHS, we support the NHS, we you ain't the be all and end all.
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Doctors will have less support because no one can get a doctor's appointment.

GPs aren’t striking its junior doctors ie hospital doctors. I have no power over appointments. Every week I’m asking managers to be booked more clinics but they don’t book them.

 

[Warpaint]

I'm pretty sure the government plan is to sack off the British nurses and get the ones from oversees in. They're unfortunately just falling into their hand. They will leave, they will be replaced.

 

[Snowjoke]

What pay rise are they offering?

 

[Emsie]

I think the problem is, not justbwirh the NHS but also with education, it needs to be removed from politics (obviously this is not really possible) but having changes ever 4 or so years doesn't give the chance for a long term restructure, instead it is just changes, band aid measures, governments want to put their "stamp" on things to win elections rather than sustainable long term changes

I'd agree with this.

 

[instasham13]

What's the thoughts on the new situation for Scottish NHS staff. From what I grasp of it this years pay offer has been imposed which puts a top band 5 in Scotland at £35,365. The Scottish Goverment have agreed to start negotiates for 23-24 pay offer early and have the offer communicated before end of Feb. I read there's a commitment also to a double digit pay offer over the next 2 years.

Doing my calculations if it's 5% this year and 5% in 2025 as a minimum double digit pay offer that puts the top band 5 salary for a nurse in Scotland at £38,900. That's basically hours so weekends, nights worked would top this up but what are people's thought on a salary in the region of 38k for a nurse?

My personal feeling is that it's about 2k too short.

 

[Emsie]

That’s the whole point, they are all leaving . We have the biggest shortage of nurses of all time

I know but you no one can force people to be nurses. Maybe people just dont want to anymore?
Or is it that the NHS has a shortage of nurses but in actual fact there isn't a shortage of nurses in the profession?

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

Not to worry

 

[Emsie]

I thought you couldn’t get an appointment 🫠

tbf I think the GP is a better judge of how to use their time than you.

This is best case scenario. If you think this is a good use of time, God help the NHS.

 

[Tui]

You get a card from ours for free parking for EOL and NICU I think that goes in the machine. Just shows how each different hospital are singing off diff song sheets
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Nothing the trusts do make any sense imo. Where I live there was a walk in centre in the middle of the town, they closed that, made it appointment only, then moved the walk in centre to Tameside hospital, but the reception is just the one in A&E, and they just bloody send you to A&E anyway or paediatrics, the walk in area is always empty. I took my eldest to A&E last year with a broken elbow and it just looked like another walk in centre because they’d sent all the kids with the usual toddler plagues up to A&E

In fairness though, Tameside is shit

 

[miss n thropy]

Some of what you say is true but a lot of it is also bollocks.
I 100% agree the Google’s and Amazon’s should pay their fair share of taxes. That alone would make our national services great again (sorry Trump).
But on the other scale is if you push then to do that they will move their businesses to other countries.
Dyson has already done this when they were asked to pay more tax.
So you are between a rock and hard place. At least they employ people

Before you quote me, if you look at the earlier post I referred to non Dom status tax. This applies to ultra wealthy individuals, not businesses.

 

[instasham13]

My OH is a band 8A in a clerical setting in Scotland. They are STEM degree educated, the job advert actually stated PHD preferable which they dont have but they obviously interviewed the best at the time. They are not medically trained.

We both think their salary is about right for what they do but in the private sector you would easily be paid a good 20k-30k more for essentially running a subsidiary of a department which is what they do aswell as a more specialised job role which I wont state as its perhaps identifable.

Some clerical roles are degree educated individuals with a decent amount of experience.

I know my partner would rather get nothing pay rise wise if those in lower bands in the hands on roles could be offered more.

Absoloutely. I had always assumed the high bands 8 and above etc surely had qualifications or a stressful job role. I see what the band 8 head nurse has to deal with in our hospital, constantly dealing with staffing issues, having to male sure wards are as safely staffed as they can be, having to deal with staff grievances etc and I wouldn't want her job for the salary tbh.

 

[Moronic]

Sorry to jump on this thread, I have a question and would be grateful if anyone knows the answer.

im an RN, and left my nursing post in February. I still have a job in healthcare but not with the nhs. I was utterly fed up of nursing and wanted a change.

does anyone know if I will be entitled to the proposed one of payment for the months I worked from April 2022?

 

[I_Like_Tractors]

Personally im not interested in the lump sum, everytime i get a lump sum, it pushes me into the next pension brackets so I come away with less pay than what i would normally get

I read today that the lump sum is non pensionable. Not sure how they'll manage that though!

 

[Eltonjohnsflorist]

I don’t want to say what I do but I worked 40.5hours a week for free whilst training for my degree - think it was 20/22 weeks in first and third year and then the full second year. I’ve seen others post comments on nurses posts also saying they worked for free whilst training.
It was horrible working that much for free but I knew at the end it would be worth it.

That’s not a profession though is it? Ie Vet/ law/ doctor/ accountant/ chartered surveyor? You didn’t *have* to work for free to become qualified in whatever you do (a proper qualification, we’re not talking about work experience)