I'm really worried whoever we get in they don't care about us working people. The trouble is all the older racists in the country will vote them in not looking at anything else they are proposing..I've heard they want to ruin the NHS
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There's a fact check on this:
Is Labour right to claim Reform UK would ‘scrap the NHS’? – Full Fact
In the run-up to the local elections, Labour is warning Reform UK would make people pay to use the health service—a claim the party’s strongly denied. Full Fact looks at the evidence.
fullfact.org
Farage doesn't seem to expand on what it is he actually means beyond probably dodge but I did find this bit concerning:
We know that when it comes to deciding who qualifies for what it becomes slippery ground
I feel like "at the point of use/delivery" doesn't really bring clarity to what it is he is suggesting either. It leaves the possibility that you may have to pay once you exit the building
What if you can't though what if you need medication every month (overactive thyroid) and need blood tests every 6 weeks will I have to pay every blood test every time I want medication what about dentists too? I don't like this and it seems all people are seeing is they are kicking immigrants outThere's a fact check on this:
Is Labour right to claim Reform UK would ‘scrap the NHS’? – Full Fact
In the run-up to the local elections, Labour is warning Reform UK would make people pay to use the health service—a claim the party’s strongly denied. Full Fact looks at the evidence.
Farage doesn't seem to expand on what it is he actually means beyond probably dodge but I did find this bit concerning:
We know that when it comes to deciding who qualifies for what it becomes slippery ground
I feel like "at the point of use/delivery" doesn't really bring clarity to what it is he is suggesting either. It leaves the possibility that you may have to pay once you exit the building
The simple answer is that there's no clarity on what it is Reform is proposing outside the free at the point of use/delivery, and I hope that both their electorate and other MPs/parties push them to clarify
Definitely should clarify or we will be having another Brexit situation
It’s not a ramble, it’s a wonderful personal example of how experience shapes our thinking. These stories are important and should be told and discussed. They matter, and anyone who’s genuinely interested in changing voting patterns should listen.
I too was a lefty Labour or Lib Dem voting Remainer who thought Brexit could only have been a result of racism. I lived for decades in London where we started to be told that “our diversity is our strength”. Over the years what i saw and experienced personally led me to see that slogan for what it was - rubbish. What I saw included 2 stabbings on our street in a six month period, a neighbour’s son mugged at knife point at the station, and the local summer funfair turning into a sea of burquas - and noone else there. The high street was turkish barbers, chicken shops and vape shops. The local school which boasted 40 different languages spoken by pupils was nice enough, but I realised pretty quickly that this kind of much-touted “diversity” brought its own massive set of problems, not least just making a playdate with a mum who didn’t speak any English. As it turns out, having a shared language and culture really matters. I didn’t feel “stronger” because of diversity - I felt unsettled, disconnected and uneasy in the neighbourhood I’d known and lived in for years.
I didn’t want my son growing up in what felt like a genuinely threatening environment. We moved.
The affluent suburban areas of the UK can afford to support immigration without limits because they’re not impacted by it - at least, not yet.
I agree, they should absolutely clarify their position on the NHS and other things.
Here’s the thing though, at some point things will get so bad that more and more people are going to start to think - or are already thinking (like me), - that all they really want is to have a functional healthcare system. And that they don’t really care what model is brought in as long as it’s better than the intolerable system we have now. And that being able to actually get a GP appointment in a reasonable time is more important than cult-worshipping the NHS and repeating “free at the point of delivery” to each other ad nauseam. There are many other models around the world to look at that have far better outcomes than ours. What exactly do we think we’re protecting by not even considering them?
Sure but the problem you have right now is that you have no real idea what Reform are proposing and how that might impact you
It seems that the idea that the NHS needs some changes and shouldn't necessarily be a 100% free is becoming less controversial these days as I have heard it mentioned more and more, but at the same time you don't want to end up with a system you cannot even afford to access due to a fear of costs. It's a bit like when you hear the Americans say not to call an ambulance in an emergency because it costs money
Every party says they'll fix the NHS. Reform has vague promises about efficiency changes that'll fix the NHS.
But there is an ageing population who have underpaid tax their whole life and the working population have never had it so hard with housing, pensions, jobs and taxes. The only way to fix the NHS is to propose massive changes that affect the tax of everyone, and no one would ever be elected if they were honest about it.
But there is an ageing population who have underpaid tax their whole life and the working population have never had it so hard with housing, pensions, jobs and taxes. The only way to fix the NHS is to propose massive changes that affect the tax of everyone, and no one would ever be elected if they were honest about it.
But what precisely do you mean by “right wing extremist”? What sort of viewpoints specifically are you talking about that?
This is it about Farage, he has no plan for delivery of health care. He has been touting an insurance based payment run by private insurers since 2012 at least to UKIP.
Private insurance does not exist to provide health care, it exists to provide profit for the stockholders.
He would put it to a referendum with the only other choice being increased taxes or NI to fix the NHS and I think I know how that would go.
Private insurance does not exist to provide health care, it exists to provide profit for the stockholders.
He would put it to a referendum with the only other choice being increased taxes or NI to fix the NHS and I think I know how that would go.
I lived in the US and most certainly don’t want a system like that. But I think we need to find another solution and I am really up for hearing ideas. I agree that the conversation around point of delivery seems to be relaxing a little.
I have no idea right now if Nigel / Reform would do a better job in government. And I am too long in the tooth to have high expectations of anyone. But I do think (and I think others share this view) that 14 years of the Tories decimated the country and now Labour seems to be making things even worse, which is quite an achievement. I am pretty disgusted with the lot of them to be honest and what has happened to this country. Maybe Reform could manage to just screw things up a little bit less
After 14 years of running the country to the ground I doubt you will see improvements instantly. Just a thought
I’m not expecting instant improvements, but a government with sound economic policies who didn’t take money off old people, disabled people, kids and small businesses would be nice.
Reform UK's rise aligns with a broader trend of right-wing populism gaining traction across Europe and the United States. There are tonnes of examples of how and where this is happening. Reform's anti-immigration stance and critique of net-zero climate policies resonates with parts of the electorate feeling left behind by globalisation and rapid societal change.
100%. A characteristic of right wing extremism is to undermine democratic processes which Farage has done in the past with elections in Peterborough. And he aligns himself with people who have done the same like Trump with the 2021 Capitol attack.
People who think Reform and Farage are a moderate party genuinely looking to improve things for the average Brit have their blinkers on to put it politely.
Precisely. Farage would improve things for the average Brit like Trump is for the average US citizen.
I struggle to tell if these people actually know what is going on and just think they won't be affected or if they're blind
I think they get swept up in the populist narrative. I think Farage's one liners and soundbites appeal to people, and people switch off to the long winded counter arguments.