Michael Jackson

[White rose]

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Michael Jackson and Jonathan Spence (1983-1989)

What is the story with Jonathan Spence and Michael Jackson? Jonathan Spence was one of the first boys who had an intense friendship with Jackson. He never gives interviews, or talks about Jackson, …

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.. and all the others are there on this site.
As a mother of three boys, I would never let this man near them after only seeing these pictures.

Where in this article did Johnathan say Michael molested him? No where.. yet its repeated plenty times that people think Michael molested him, the boy is saying it didn’t happen and others are telling him it did happen. These people are not happy unless you agree to their thoughts. It’s the same with Macauley he has said numerous times nothing happened but hes also a liar because he won’t bow down and say “ ok he abused me “

Michael was found innocent on 10 charges. What more do people want?.

 

[Miss Havisham]

He really was not found innocent - not guilty is very different.

 

[Islawight]

As he was so inclined on having little boys share his bed, why did he not have cameras in his rooms to prove nothing untoward ever happened? Seeing as he already had allegations of SA but still invited boys into his bed, you’d think he would cover himself legally if he was innocent for any future ’money grabbing families’.
Being found innocent of charges in court does not mean an individual is factually innocent.

 

[Abominatrix]

The burden of proof in a criminal trial is very high. Guilt must be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Failing to get a guilty verdict does not mean the person on trial was innocent, only that it could not be proven beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Look at the OJ Simpson trial. Does anyone still believe that man didn't murder his ex-wife and her boyfriend? But he was found not guilty.

 

[White rose]

He really was not found innocent - not guilty is very different.

Ok then he was found not guilty on ten charges.. Michael does not have a conviction for child abuse,

I’d like you to tell me what comes between innocent and guilty.. slightly guilty or slightly innocent?

You show me documents from the 4 month court case that declares him guilty of child molestation and then I’ll reconsider my opinion on if he’s a child mole

 

[Libertine1975]

The standard of proof in a criminal trial is beyond all reasonable doubt. The jury had reasonable doubt.

I think having cameras and recordings of the bedroom if MJ was innocent of the abuse would open up another can of worms...

I feel that Michael was innocent but I also understand why people think he isn't. To me the stories of the alleged victims just don't add up and they have some shady behaviours around MJ (selling his underwear...seriously...it is totally ducked up).

 

[Miss Havisham]

Ok then he was found not guilty on ten charges.. Michael does not have a conviction for child abuse,

I’d like you to tell me what comes between innocent and guilty.. slightly guilty or slightly innocent?

You show me documents from the 4 month court case that declares him guilty of child molestation and then I’ll reconsider my opinion on if he’s a child mole

There are people walking amongst us every day - who have committed crimes, that have either not reached court (as CPS did not have enough on them to charge), or have faced court and got off. Some have never got as far as being questioned by the police.

I am judging him by his actions - predatory behaviour.

A false accusation doesn’t create innocence either. Jimmy Saville never even faced court and also had false accusations made against him (Carl Beech was a false accuser, an abuser himself, who never met him). This does not make Saville innocent - despite not being found guilty or even charged by a court, we know that he was absolutely guilty of the most despicable crimes.

 

[Islawight]

The standard of proof in a criminal trial is beyond all reasonable doubt. The jury had reasonable doubt.

I think having cameras and recordings of the bedroom if MJ was innocent of the abuse would open up another can of worms...

I feel that Michael was innocent but I also understand why people think he isn't. To me the stories of the alleged victims just don't add up and they have some shady behaviours around MJ (selling his underwear...seriously...it is totally ducked up).

I find it difficult to believe that someone who is innocent of these allegations would continually put himself in a situation without backup proof that it’s just an innocent cuddle in bed.

 

[White rose]

There are people walking amongst us every day - who have committed crimes, that have either not reached court (as CPS did not have enough on them to charge), or have faced court and got off. Some have never got as far as being questioned by the police.

I am judging him by his actions - predatory behaviour.

A false accusation doesn’t create innocence either. Jimmy Saville never even faced court and also had false accusations made against him (Carl Beech was a false accuser, an abuser himself, who never met him). This does not make Saville innocent - despite not being found guilty or even charged by a court, we know that he was absolutely guilty of the most despicable crimes.

We are never going to agree on this.. you find him guilty with out proof and just hear say from the accusers. people close to him and the time lines ect have changed constantly, I find him innocent because there is not one single bit of evidence.

I hope we can agree that these new claims are for money. Wade & cascio family demanded a payout and the estate has refused this, would they of came forward with these claims if the estate paid out? I highly doubt it.

These lies ( my opinion ) must be hurting his family so bad, prince defends his dad, Paris has obviously struggled so bad, I read she self harmed and was addicted to drugs at a early age, bigi just looks lost. He’s been dead for 17 year and still this continues.

 

[Miss Havisham]

We are never going to agree on this.. you find him guilty with out proof and just hear say from the accusers. people close to him and the time lines ect have changed constantly, I find him innocent because there is not one single bit of evidence.

I hope we can agree that these new claims are for money. Wade & cascio family demanded a payout and the estate has refused this, would they of came forward with these claims if the estate paid out? I highly doubt it.

These lies ( my opinion ) must be hurting his family so bad, prince defends his dad, Paris has obviously struggled so bad, I read she self harmed and was addicted to drugs at a early age, bigi just looks lost. He’s been dead for 17 year and still this continues.

I view him as guilty of some of the accusations, based on his predatory behaviour. I think it’s somehow inevitable that false accusations will be mixed in with true accounts.
As for how some of his family are coping with this - is not for me to say. There is bound to be suffering from the fall out of this, due to his predatory behaviour, the accusations against him (both factual and false) and him being a global superstar.

There are probably many folk like me, who viewed him as an oddball, who was probably harmless - until very recently, when I delved a bit deeper, into looking at his behaviour, behaviour that I had previously had no or very little knowledge of. I now see him as someone who was very manipulative, arrogant, entitled and predatory towards young boys.

 

[I_C bread ppl]

I am an ex superfan that now sees him as the creep he is. Can’t stand his music and can’t believe it is still played it on the radio in public. Let alone trying to promote a stage show and movie WTF no way. Both would be so biased and not reveal the truth.

Side not: what parent would allow their kids to have sleepovers with a grown man? If I were one of his victims I’d be pissed at my parents.

 

[Abominatrix]

I am an ex superfan that now sees him as the creep he is. Can’t stand his music and can’t believe it is still played it on the radio in public. Let alone trying to promote a stage show and movie WTF no way. Both would be so biased and not reveal the truth.

Side not: what parent would allow their kids to have sleepovers with a grown man? If I were one of his victims I’d be pissed at my parents.

Hollywood is absolutely overflowing with them, parents who want fame/wealth for themselves or their children and will do anything to get it.

I don't doubt that some of the parents were successfully manipulated by an absolute master of the game (that Peter Pan bull of his was worth its weight in gold, it's still doing the work of making people think he's just an overgrown child) but there are a number for sure that didn't care and were happy to look the other way.

Hell, I'm still reeling after watching a horrible story about a woman who basically let a total stranger walk off with her daughter for the promise of a WalMart gift card and some McDonald's.

 

[Anotherct]

I am an ex superfan that now sees him as the creep he is. Can’t stand his music and can’t believe it is still played it on the radio in public. Let alone trying to promote a stage show and movie WTF no way. Both would be so biased and not reveal the truth.

Side not: what parent would allow their kids to have sleepovers with a grown man? If I were one of his victims I’d be pissed at my parents.

I’ve only just found this thread so apologies if it’s been mentioned, but his ex body guard describes his bedroom as the average day house. It had two floors and the children slept on a different floor to him, he also states the parents were also there. Do I find MJ incredibly odd? Absolutely. But I’m not convinced he abused all these children. Even Aaron Carter came out against his own mother saying nothing happened and she was trying to make out it did for money. No one will ever know the real truth but I think he was just an oddball. Of course he shouldn’t have been having sleepovers with children but I do think it was just that, a sleepover.

 

[I_C bread ppl]

Hollywood is absolutely overflowing with them, parents who want fame/wealth for themselves or their children and will do anything to get it.

I don't doubt that some of the parents were successfully manipulated by an absolute master of the game (that Peter Pan bull of his was worth its weight in gold, it's still doing the work of making people think he's just an overgrown child) but there are a number for sure that didn't care and were happy to look the other way.

Hell, I'm still reeling after watching a horrible story about a woman who basically let a total stranger walk off with her daughter for the promise of a WalMart gift card and some McDonald's.

Oh gawd that walmart story. I watched the true crime doco on youtube. The worst.

 

[Venuslurker]

I would so love to know what the deal is with those kids. It seems very unlikely that they are genetically his.

He was quite happy for them to not have a mum which is just so selfish and sad.

And prince's angelic blonde hair when he was little was suss.

 

[AladdinSane]

I would so love to know what the deal is with those kids. It seems very unlikely that they are genetically his.

He was quite happy for them to not have a mum which is just so selfish and sad.

And prince's angelic blonde hair when he was little was suss.

I believe he dyed Prince's hair when he was younger

Its strange because the kids do have lighter skin but then when you look at pictures of them next to Latoya, especially at the funeral, they have a similar skin shade and, as far as I'm aware, she never bleached her skin?

Prince also is rumoured to have vitiligo.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

I believe he dyed Prince's hair when he was younger

Its strange because the kids do have lighter skin but then when you look at pictures of them next to Latoya, especially at the funeral, they have a similar skin shade and, as far as I'm aware, she never bleached her skin?

Prince also is rumoured to have vitiligo.

That's the first I've heard about Prince having vitiligo. I don't believe that's accurate.

 

[shellie]

I’ve only just found this thread so apologies if it’s been mentioned, but his ex body guard describes his bedroom as the average day house. It had two floors and the children slept on a different floor to him, he also states the parents were also there. Do I find MJ incredibly odd? Absolutely. But I’m not convinced he abused all these children. Even Aaron Carter came out against his own mother saying nothing happened and she was trying to make out it did for money. No one will ever know the real truth but I think he was just an oddball. Of course he shouldn’t have been having sleepovers with children but I do think it was just that, a sleepover.

He himself admitted in the Bashir interview and others that he slept in the same bed as the kids...not in other beds, not in other floors but the same bed.

 

[White rose]

That's the first I've heard about Prince having vitiligo. I don't believe that's accurate.

Prince does have vitiligo. La toya also has the same condition.

 

[Prince fan 1999]

Prince does have vitiligo. La toya also has the same condition.

As I said, first I've heard of him having it.