Madeleine McCann #8

[Freda Fandango]

Im not helping the discussion, im here to rant so scroll on now

I remember Fiona Phillips nodding sagely at the time saying we've all dunnit, and no Fiona we bleeping didnt.

My eldest was born in 1983 and youngest 1995, we've two middle ones. Being skint we got loans every year to the cheapest holidays in the sun we could get. When the youngest was a toddler my husband either stayed in the apartment with him while I took the other three to the kids disco. Or he slept in his buggy beside us.

Even at that, my toddler cracked his head on the tiles while wriggling away from me. So how in the name of all that is holy would two doctors not short of dosh think oh ill leave a three year old and two babies alone....checking every half hour was not good enough, a head hitting tiles and fractured skull doesn't wait for a listening service or a pissed up parent. Ergo whether they had hadnt or still have a listening service is moot, as a parent you weigh up risks and they did that and STILL put their socialising first.

Anyhoo thanks for letting me vent. I think she had an accident and had been given medication to sleep and woke up. She perhaps heard her dad and climbed on the settee to see him talking to Jez. My toddler had a purple egg on his head just tripping. Falling from a height could easily be more serious. How they covered it up....dont know but its just my personal opinion.

 

[Tangerine Dream]

I agree with this, in the early days they really tried to normalise it and occasionally now it pops up and is quickly glossed over.

Digital Spy banned all discussion about the case for years because people couldn't cope with anyone being suspicious of or not liking the McCanns, it was ridiculous

 

[Tangerine Dream]

Honestly it's ridiculous how they are like: "but the hotel only had a listening service and we thought our idea was better" both options are terrible!! And we're not the only options. It wasn't a condition of your stay that you HAD to eat in the tapas bar down the road without your kids.

Could it be that they didn't want to pay for the hotel's service?

Often the cheapest people I know are those with good money.

 

[Glittergirlie]

In 2007 it was exactly that, staff randomly checking on kids in their apartments;
In 2007, Mark Warner resorts provided a "listening service" for parents, where nannies or staff would regularly walk the corridors to listen outside apartment doors for crying children while parents dined. This service operated in conjunction with creche facilities at locations like the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, Portugal.
So, presumably, many parents left their children in their apartment and used this checking service.

Nowadays, nearly 20yrs later;
Evening Listening
Our supervised evening childcare service is open from 7.30pm until 10.30pm five days a week (closed on transfer day and dine-out evening). It offers a quiet sleeping space for little ones and a comfy area for those who want to watch a DVD and listen to a story while parents enjoy their evening meal in the chalet hotel.

In 2007, the McCanns and Tapas7 did their own regular checks - they left their children alone in the room - the same as other parents who used the Listening Service.

Just imagine if the mccanns had the listening service and maddie was ' taken' They would have sued the a off Mark Warners!

 

[Freda Fandango]

It was a night creche they had, and the McCann claim was that it was better them in their own beds than awake with strangers and having to be collected late at night.

Personally Id have taken turns each night socialising and sat on the balcony with a book and glass of wine.

Children have been abducted before but so many anomalies with this case is why folk are still fascinated, they want an 'end'.

A bit like Jon Bonet Ramsey, no end there either.

 

[catsandsoup]

It’s a ridiculous service. They were out with a large group, so would they even have heard a kid over all the noise?

Iirc, the upstairs neighbour said Madeleine cried for her father for over 90 minutes one evening, and that she asked her mother why no one came when she and Sean cried.
Frankly, the nannies at the creche with Mark Warner was probably more engaged and caring of her than she'd ever experienced.

 

[Glencoe]

It was a night creche they had, and the McCann claim was that it was better them in their own beds than awake with strangers and having to be collected late at night.

Better in their own beds alone in an apartment where anything can happen than with strangers but in an actual creche. Their reasoning or logic makes absolutely no sense. The reason they didn't use the night creche is because they were selfish plain and simple and didn't want the inconvenience. They wanted the kids asleep in their own beds so they could come back after their boozy tapas and not have to parent. Which seemed to be the theme for the whole holiday.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

Digital Spy banned all discussion about the case for years because people couldn't cope with anyone being suspicious of or not liking the McCanns, it was ridiculous

I think Digital Spy must be run by a man with a nappy fetish who identifies as a foetus because nobody could question anything about trans people on there, there was one thread where everyone was saying there was nothing wrong with men wearing nappies in the workplace (seriously) and you'd get an immediate ban if you said anything that might be deemed gender critical. They were just as militant about the McCanns, an absolute bloody farce of a forum.

 

[Freda Fandango]

I think Digital Spy must be run by a man with a nappy fetish who identifies as a foetus because nobody could question anything about trans people on there, there was one thread where everyone was saying there was nothing wrong with men wearing nappies in the workplace (seriously) and you'd get an immediate ban if you said anything that might be deemed gender critical. They were just as militant about the McCanns, an absolute bloody farce of a forum.

Yeh i was on digital spy for years and the McCann threads were quickly deleted.

I actually think folk would really have taken to them and empathised just a bit if they hadn't doubled down.

If they had given interviews saying yes thsy thought it was safe but in retrospect they're sending a message saying please dont do it, we've paid the ultimate price, but the 'its like eating in your garden' really riled folk as it obviously wasnt.

I mean they KNEW her and Sean had cried for 90 minutes the night before, how callous do you have to be to leave them?

Maybe if you were sure they werent going to wake up? Strange the twins slept through it all and for hours after. They were never tested for substances.

 

[Emsie]

I've always said that there isn't a chance that they were checking those kids every 30 minutes. Can you imagine every half an hour someone bobbing off. Naturally you'd get engrossed in conversation, your glass would topped up, you're eyeing up the last of the aioli - you'd easily lose track of time. And the fact that those babies cried for 90 minutes means that they were not checking every half hour.
But also 90 minutes is a very long time for a child to cry. They were obviously comforted a lot at home for Maddie to say why didn't you come. It doesn't scream neglectful distant parents. Which is why it just beggars belief.

 

[Freda Fandango]

Am I imagining that they were actually at a nightclub on another night? Chaplins or something which wasnt even on the complex? We talked in detail on DS before it was deleted, I couid be misremembering!

If so that wasn't 30 minite checks. I do think at home they might have been responsible, but they seemed to think it was their holiday and the children fit in. Im afraid with tiny children on holiday youve got to lower your expectations.

Bad German guy also seems a possibility, but theres so many odd things about their story I keep circling back to them.

 

[PaddyDomino]

Am I imagining that they were actually at a nightclub on another night? Chaplins or something which wasnt even on the complex? We talked in detail on DS before it was deleted, I couid be misremembering!

If so that wasn't 30 minite checks. I do think at home they might have been responsible, but they seemed to think it was their holiday and the children fit in. Im afraid with tiny children on holiday youve got to lower your expectations.

Bad German guy also seems a possibility, but theres so many odd things about their story I keep circling back to them.

Yes, I remember that being said about Chaplin's, and that was the same night that the neighbour in the flat above, Mrs Fenn, heard the crying for ninety minutes, I think?
I had a quick Google to remind myself and found this blog that talks about Chaplin's in quite a bit of detail:

The McCanns – Scandal At Chaplins

The Madeleine McCann story has many rumours circulating around it. One is the Scandal At Chaplins. In brief, the McCanns allegedly had a late night at Chaplins on Tuesday, 1st May, and this is far …

shininginluz.wordpress.com

 

[Freda Fandango]

Yes, I remember that being said about Chaplin's, and that was the same night that the neighbour in the flat above, Mrs Fenn, heard the crying for ninety minutes, I think?
I had a quick Google to remind myself and found this blog that talks about Chaplin's in quite a bit of detail:

The McCanns – Scandal At Chaplins

The Madeleine McCann story has many rumours circulating around it. One is the Scandal At Chaplins. In brief, the McCanns allegedly had a late night at Chaplins on Tuesday, 1st May, and this is far …

shininginluz.wordpress.com

Thank you for that, so possibly just a rumour then.

 

[Upintheair83]

Yeh i was on digital spy for years and the McCann threads were quickly deleted.

I actually think folk would really have taken to them and empathised just a bit if they hadn't doubled down.

If they had given interviews saying yes thsy thought it was safe but in retrospect they're sending a message saying please dont do it, we've paid the ultimate price, but the 'its like eating in your garden' really riled folk as it obviously wasnt.

I mean they KNEW her and Sean had cried for 90 minutes the night before, how callous do you have to be to leave them?

Maybe if you were sure they werent going to wake up? Strange the twins slept through it all and for hours after. They were never tested for substances.

I think the fact they admitted that Sean and Madeline were crying the previous night makes me question even more if the sedation theory is accurate.(as in, it makes sense they may want to sedate them so they don't cry)

 

[Freda Fandango]

I think the fact they admitted that Sean and Madeline were crying the previous night makes me question even more if the sedation theory is accurate.(as in, it makes sense they may want to sedate them so they don't cry)

Just what I thought. But if guilty I probably wouldnt have admitted that! It makes them sound just awful.

 

[Nelly's mum]

I think the fact they admitted that Sean and Madeline were crying the previous night makes me question even more if the sedation theory is accurate.(as in, it makes sense they may want to sedate them so they don't cry)

Were any sedatives found?

 

[griftalo]

I've always said that there isn't a chance that they were checking those kids every 30 minutes. Can you imagine every half an hour someone bobbing off. Naturally you'd get engrossed in conversation, your glass would topped up, you're eyeing up the last of the aioli - you'd easily lose track of time. And the fact that those babies cried for 90 minutes means that they were not checking every half hour.
But also 90 minutes is a very long time for a child to cry. They were obviously comforted a lot at home for Maddie to say why didn't you come. It doesn't scream neglectful distant parents. Which is why it just beggars belief.

I think that whole conversation is BS. It just fills in the backstory of leaving the kids. It has been suggested that it was Kate crying Maddie not Madeleine crying Daddy. Wouldn’t most kids call for Mummy first?

 

[griftalo]

Just what I thought. But if guilty I probably wouldnt have admitted that! It makes them sound just awful.

They have to reinforce the neglect of leaving the kids alone story because it allows the abductor scenario to exist.

 

[Freda Fandango]

They have to reinforce the neglect of leaving the kids alone story because it allows the abductor scenario to exist.

Makes sense. I just wish the twins had been tested, they couid have used hair samples for ages after.

 

[Emsie]

I think that whole conversation is BS. It just fills in the backstory of leaving the kids. It has been suggested that it was Kate crying Maddie not Madeleine crying Daddy. Wouldn’t most kids call for Mummy first?

Why would Kate be crying Maddie the night before?
The crying story might be BS, but they defo were not checking them every 30 mins. A hill I am prepared to die on.