Lucy Letby Case

[Bobbiewilson]

These photos of her are quite disturbing. She is said to be so caring yet she is clearly mocking intellectual disability in at least two of them. It would stand out to me even if it was a random person‘s photos I had stumbled on and goes beyond normal goofing off imo.

Bar potentially the second one, I think there’s nothing deeper here than her just pulling daft faces imo.

 

[LittleMy]

These photos of her are quite disturbing. She is said to be so caring yet she is clearly mocking intellectual disability in at least two of them. It would stand out to me even if it was a random person‘s photos I had stumbled on and goes beyond normal goofing off imo.

I have to disagree, she just looks like she’s making goofy faces for the camera to me. Not unusual when around friends and with possible alcohol consumption. There is no context available to be able to say she’s mocking intellectual disability.

 

[CrazyGiraffeLady]

My gut. She's a scapegoat for a failing hospital which to this day has very high rates of maternity deaths. I could be wrong and if so I'll admit it. But as it stands I feel she could very well be innocent.

This hospital put a feeding tube into my sister (born at 27 weeks) lungs so every time she was fed it flooded her lungs and causes brain damage.

 

[e.l.lofthouse]

Why on earth have you got those photos? I'm so baffled. Everyone pulls stupid photos when they're out. This just looks like a young lass pulling silly faces. If someone i knew posted photos of themselves pulling these faces I'd just see someone was pissed and pulling goofy faces for photos. Not a killer or a person picking on disabilities.

 

[AlanBanan]

To be honest if Lucy wasn’t blonde, skinny, pretty and young, many people wouldn’t be thinking whether she’s innocent and have been set up. Detectives and police who are experts in Law and who know how to search sufficiently for evidence have arrested her numerous times and charged her for a reason.

Im just saying this because how people look does impact on how you view them. If Lucy was older, hard faced and overweight with a permanent scowl, many people would already choose to hang her, but because she’s blonde pretty and young, people are willing to question if she’s been set up.

 

[Lucyxxxx]

Totally ofd topic. But i assume (and hope), given the nature of this thread, there won't be a thread title?

No don't think something like 'Lucy's up on trial, will she admit it or is she still in denial' would be appropriate lol.

 

[Hope96]

These photos of her are quite disturbing. She is said to be so caring yet she is clearly mocking intellectual disability in at least two of them. It would stand out to me even if it was a random person‘s photos I had stumbled on and goes beyond normal goofing off imo.

These really aren't disturbing and even the most caring people pull silly faces intoxicated (and sober) these photos don't suggest or show anything about her character. I think you're probably clutching at straws here and we'll get a better picture of what others say about the type of person she is when the trial commences next week.

 

[Lucyxxxx]

My gut. She's a scapegoat for a failing hospital which to this day has very high rates of maternity deaths. I could be wrong and if so I'll admit it. But as it stands I feel she could very well be innocent.

 

[SummerLeaves2004]

Unfortunately I think she is guilty. I don't know any of the facts but I can't see why there would be a huge trial otherwise. I hope I am wrong.

This post is terrifying. Let's hope you're never chosen to sit on a jury. There should be an IQ test for those who sit on a jury.

Sadly too many people do not understand anything about our legal system, or the very basic principles that require to be followed.

Just throw away the key without the need for a trial or the testing evidence eh?

 

[bluecups]

I followed the Star Hobson case on Tattle and elsewhere and I hope this thread will be similar to that. Many opposing opinions were voiced and respectfully challenged and debated. Many people shared their own traumatic stories and were treated kindly and with respect. Following these kind of cases is really harrowing at times and it makes a big difference when everyone on the thread is nice to each other and treats sensitive matters with care.

 

[Gym&Tonic]

A large number of people in this country are just very thick and lack the ability to think critically. They’re also ruled by their emotions are unable to look at the bigger picture and understand that things aren’t always as they seem and that just because someone doesn’t look like they’d do something it doesn’t mean they are innocent either.

 

[candyland_]

‘Lucy’s solicitor’ won’t be telling anyone anything and a person who was in their circle would definitely not share information online.

Those people are frauds.

 

[TrixieFranklin]

I’m speaking from a Social work point of view here, and completely my own opinion of course. Somebody mentioned people working with Lucy didn’t think there was anything off about her. The term “off” I guess could mean introverted, shy, have non-traditional hobbies or doesn’t engage in work outings. But then again it could also mean the opposite. Think about it, somebody who has a crazy social life, maybe takes drugs at the weekend and is quite outspoken and controversial in the workplace. Would they be classed as “off” too?

I also will be following this case closely. As a previous poster mentioned, the crimes she is being accused of were a couple of years before she was actually arrested. That to me doesn’t scream scapegoat. I imagine quite a few nurses would be involved in the care of neonatal babies so it would be difficult to pinpoint blame to one person unlike social work where you might see the particular worker names in a news article, but overall the local authority is blamed. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a social worker on trial for murder.

If for example 3 children on my caseload died over a period of 2-3 years, I would be in the firing line after the first death. Completely different situation to nursing I know, but as the person in charge of safeguarding them, it would be me rather than my up-line. Everything we do is logged, recorded, audited etc just like nursing. I have managed to go all of my adult working years without being suspended or arrested and for good reason.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that if a child dies in our professions, generally it is a failing by many rather than one. So the fact that she has been solely accused of the murder of so many poor babies is just harrowing.

 

[Lucyxxxx]

This hospital put a feeding tube into my sister (born at 27 weeks) lungs so every time she was fed it flooded her lungs and causes brain damage.

My cousins meningitis wasn't spotted by hospital until it had destroyed a part of his brain and he has no ability to learn now. Was a record payout by the NHS back then. No quality of life. Took them 9 yrs to admit their failures as well.

 

[Tofino]

I do understand a hospital cover up could be a possibility, but I struggle to understand people who are so set on Lucy being innocent (or guilty) and being made the scapegoat when there is virtually no evidence in the public domain. It seems very divided in the Facebook groups, people already firmly made their minds up on both sides. I’m also reserving judgment until the case and open minded it could go either way.

My thoughts are that just because there have been problems at the hospital previously, doesn’t mean this is what happened and that Lucy must be innocent. Both things could exist, a failing hospital and a murderer. I guess someone that way inclined could see a failing hospital as an opportunity to get away with a crime. I’m not saying this is the case with Lucy but just one of the reasons I’m cautious to automatically blame the hospital as there are all sorts of possibilities.

 

[Be More Pacific]

Most evidence typically is circumstantial really. It's usually only the DNA evidence or CCTV etc that isn't. But the more circumstantial evidence they have at the same time, the bigger the picture they can build. I guess it's how they are able to convict some people of murder when they don't have a body...the evidence is all circumstantial but altogether, makes it highly likely they were guilty rather than innocent

Absolutely. I'm going to share the pencils analogy - bear with me I stole this from Kelly Sieglar, a former prosecutor in the USA who heads up a show called Cold Justice. Cold cases often have no direct evidence - that's why they went cold in the first place.

Imagine each circumstance or co-incidence is a pencil. On it's own, completely breakable. But take each one - for example (theoretical case) they were the last person to see the victim alive, never reported them missing, never called the police to see how the investigation was going, they were having an affair, there was a history of domestic violence, they took out life insurance on the victim a week before they died, can't keep their story straight (the truth doesn't change) no alibi, throw in a few more that I can't think of right now - and you have a whole bunch of pencils bound tightly together and unbreakable. You're either the unluckiest son of a bitch in the world or guilty. That's a circumstantial case.

Kelly usually does a demo involving a lot of pencil snapping - you'll just have to imagine that

 

[catlady29]

Well...Nice to meet all you lovely tattlers, I guess we'll be seeing each others names a lot over the next 6 months or so. The part I'm really waiting for before I decide what I think with regards to guilt or innocence is her digital footprint, what she's been looking at online etc, if there's anything been found in her house for example...at the moment I'm not making any assumptions. The parts about her movements outside of work I think I think will be the most telling as to her true character.

 

[bluecups]

My friend's baby son was killed by his father, her partner. When it came to trial, reporters from the Daily Mail harrassed her, knocking on her door asking for quotes. She told them to fuck off and it took family members threatening to douse the "journalists" with a bucket of bleach and water before they actually did fuck off. The bastard pleaded not guilty and tried to blame her so she had to endure a trial. She wasn't even in the house at the time, it was a pathetic defence. He did end up being convicted, unanimously. My friend went through absolute hell - when she came home and discovered the baby injured she thought he was just unwell and had no idea her partner had done it, he was acting concerned and said he had no idea why the baby was unwell. When the baby died a day later in hospital she went outside for a cigarette and they were both arrested on the steps of XXXXXX children's hospital. She spent the first day of grieving for her son in police custody.

Her entire experience was, obviously, hellish, but it was made worse for her by there being no reporting restrictions.

 

[e.l.lofthouse]

The thing is, nobody can say 'she DID do it' and nobody can say 'she DID NOT do it' because we have absolutely no clue what the evidence is, and rightly so. It's all suspicion at the moment based on the little info we've see.

People are so quick to jump on the 'guilty' train based of nothing. BUT at the same time, they've not charged her from nowhere. They've got something on her that's allowed them to charge her.

 

[candyland_]

There’s no reason any paperwork should leave the hospital is there?