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In a document written by EP on 5/5/16, she states in relation to LL, "there are no performance management issues, and there are no members of staff that have complained to me or others regarding her performance."

Surely by May 2016, EP was aware of what was being said about LL on the unit and had doctors by this point raised concerns with her? So the above statement isn't true?

In another document she says that in a 26th May '16 meeting, someone stood up, pointed at her and said, "you are harbouring a murderer". How would it go from no complaints, nothing reaching EP about concerns over LL by 5th May 2016, to full blown accusations just 19 days later?

Just searched the transcript from yesterday and it is clearly a total lie in that 5/5/16 document, because she'd already moved her to day shifts! She HAD heard complaints about LL by that point and so did her little experiment of moving to day shifts. Surely there are consequences to misrepresenting or writing untrue statements in a neonatal review document? She should be stripped of her NHS pension and prosecuted.
The bit about moving her to days confused me too, because I also had thought she was moved to days before O and P and the pattern of deaths continued on days, not afterwards. She makes it sound like it was only a couple of days before Letby was yeeted off the unit that she was moved to days
 
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Svilena Dimitrova's page at the Ockenden Maternity Review listed by Google is now dead (https://www.google.com/search?q=ockenden+report+dimitrova)

it was there in April: http://web.archive.org/web/20240414...view.org.uk/review-team/dr-svilena-dimitrova/

Also she's not listed as a member of the review team

She was listed on August 8 http://web.archive.org/web/20240808...ternityreview.org.uk/independent-review-team/


I can't say I'm surprised.
 
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The actual email with "why didn't mum come sooner as she is an inpatient"
 
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Svilena Dimitrova's page at the Ockenden Maternity Review listed by Google is now dead (https://www.google.com/search?q=ockenden+report+dimitrova)

it was there in April: http://web.archive.org/web/20240414...view.org.uk/review-team/dr-svilena-dimitrova/

Also she's not listed as a member of the review team

She was listed on August 8 http://web.archive.org/web/20240808...ternityreview.org.uk/independent-review-team/


I can't say I'm surprised.
Wow I hope she was kicked off!!
 
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The bit about moving her to days confused me too, because I also had thought she was moved to days before O and P and the pattern of deaths continued on days, not afterwards. She makes it sound like it was only a couple of days before Letby was yeeted off the unit that she was moved to days
I think it was about April time she was moved to days. Just before baby L and M who were attacked in the day.
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There must have been nurses gossiping and speculating about Letby, Eirian must have been aware of growing tensions.
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I'm now starting to think that a lot of the die hard "Letby is innocent supporters", on mumsnet and X may be related to Eirian Powell and the hospital managers. They must have a vested interest in making out there had been a miscarriage of justice in the run up to the inquiry.
 
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In a document written by EP on 5/5/16, she states in relation to LL, "there are no performance management issues, and there are no members of staff that have complained to me or others regarding her performance."

Surely by May 2016, EP was aware of what was being said about LL on the unit and had doctors by this point raised concerns with her? So the above statement isn't true?

In another document she says that in a 26th May '16 meeting, someone stood up, pointed at her and said, "you are harbouring a murderer". How would it go from no complaints, nothing reaching EP about concerns over LL by 5th May 2016, to full blown accusations just 19 days later?

Just searched the transcript from yesterday and it is clearly a total lie in that 5/5/16 document, because she'd already moved her to day shifts! She HAD heard complaints about LL by that point and so did her little experiment of moving to day shifts. Surely there are consequences to misrepresenting or writing untrue statements in a neonatal review document? She should be stripped of her NHS pension and prosecuted.
This was also a couple of weeks at the most after the antibiotics incident!!
 
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There’s something interesting in that meeting about the triplets that Noname says he conveniently left just before everyone started saying Letby could be responsible 🤔 yet was there to hear everyone saying how brilliant she was 🤔 and then he went out the door and that’s obviously the moment people went “oh actually she’s been on shift for everything and some of us think she’s a murderer”🙄

after this meeting he breaks confidentiality to message letby and tell her that everyone said how good she was in the resus of baby P. But it actually looks like HE said that the doc from the transfer team had told him she was and then Eirian has gone out of her way to contact this doctor (Dr. Rackham). He’ll be giving evidence so interested to see what he says. bleeping Powell and Noname working their balls off to make Letby look creme de la creme. Phlegm de la phlegm.
Phlegm de la phlegm is bleeping genius ha ha ha
 
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I think it was about April time she was moved to days. Just before baby L and M who were attacked in the day.
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There must have been nurses gossiping and speculating about Letby, Eirian must have been aware of growing tensions.
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I'm now starting to think that a lot of the die hard "Letby is innocent supporters", on mumsnet and X may be related to Eirian Powell and the hospital managers. They must have a vested interest in making out there had been a miscarriage of justice in the run up to the inquiry.
Then she must have known ages before she said she did. She's such a bleeping liar
 
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The actual email with "why didn't mum come sooner as she is an inpatient"
Gibbs reply 😩💖 that’s how you apologise. Also totally telling details. Mum had phoned and was correctly told all was well with baby H 15 mins before the serious collapse (not like EP says “a very poorly baby”) and this sudden unexpected and serious event happened just at handover time. How strange 🙄
 
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The actual email with "why didn't mum come sooner as she is an inpatient"
As a mother who was on postnatal when her baby was in NICU, this ENRAGES me. I was definitely made to feel like I should have been at his side every single second he was in there. There was one occasion where I was just exhausted, in agony post c-section, crying my eyes out from fear and tiredness and I said I had to get out of there as the heat was stifling me. The nurse was not happy, and demanded "are you going to set an alarm for 2am to come and try feeding him again then?" And then I slept through that alarm. I woke up in horror in the morning, they'd tried to ring my mobile once. When I rang them in a state they were so judgemental. This is a completely separate trust many miles away from COCH but I resonate a lot with the things the families have said about the way they were treated or made to feel by staff on the unit.

duck Eirian Powell. I hope she people hedgehog like tubes forever.
 
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The actual email with "why didn't mum come sooner as she is an inpatient"
Wow duck you Eirian you box dye haired mess. What a nasty witch trying to turn this around on the Mum, when she was literally an inpatient, so probably was undergoing medical treatment herself at the time. I hope EP never has another joyous moment in the rest of her sorry little life.

Dr Gibb's response is measured and classy in comparison, and it proves the mum was literally checking on her baby.
 
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I agree …I have no medical experience at all but we are talking about the neonatal ward at Chester here …. Not some MASSIVE hospital in any major city.
To say she didn’t know / nobody was talking about it is obscene.
Of course she knew.
witch.
 
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With hindsight the morphine error was probably not an error. Lucy was probably experimenting to see what would happen. Obviously it didn't go as planned as she didn't ever give an overdose of morphine again.
The Gentamicin error is strange. It must have been checked with another nurse and then given to the wrong baby. Each baby has its own cot space with their name written above, so its hard to confuse them.
Personally I think she was constantly messing with the babies but once she had stumbled across the air embolism method, she had something that gave her the desired affect and didnt show up on post mortem.
 
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I agree …I have no medical experience at all but we are talking about the neonatal ward at Chester here …. Not some MASSIVE hospital in any major city.
To say she didn’t know / nobody was talking about it is obscene.
Of course she knew.
witch.
She must have done. She was the unit manager. It was her business and her actual job to know everything that was going on.
 
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So, just catching up. The Gentamicin mishap occurred in April 2016! A month later Eirian wrote their was no performance issues at all with Letby!
 
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With hindsight the morphine error was probably not an error. Lucy was probably experimenting to see what would happen. Obviously it didn't go as planned as she didn't ever give an overdose of morphine again.
The Gentamicin error is strange. It must have been checked with another nurse and then given to the wrong baby. Each baby has its own cot space with their name written above, so its hard to confuse them.
Personally I think she was constantly messing with the babies but once she had stumbled across the air embolism method, she had something that gave her the desired affect and didnt show up on post mortem.
I also suspect Letby was harming babies long before the first murder case, probably after developing a disturbing taste for the 'high' of a resus situation and for being in the limelight, but I doubt she would have tried to poison a baby with morphine. Not only would the overdose have been too easy for people to notice (as they did), there is absolutely no way she could have come out of that looking like the heroic, superlatively talented nurse she wanted to be seen as - at best she would have been the nurse who made a catastrophic mistake. Everything we've seem of her says she'd hate that.

She used insulin because she thought people would just assume the babies had an endocrine problem, not realising what C-peptide was and how it could give her away. She knew that morphine in someone's system must be exogenous and would have realised it would be too obvious a method. So I think it really was a mistake that time, but it's still significant for the insight it provides into her thought processes. She couldn't tolerate constructive criticism even after a life-threatening incident, she always had to be right, and she was more worried about losing 'status' as a nurse than in making sure she was safe to practice.
 
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