Lucy Letby Case #73

[Tilly Kister]

I tell you what sifting through all her testimony has proved to me and that is the NHS is desperately in need of a far firmer no mobile phones on duty policy across the board.

People who work the tills at Tesco or tellers at the bank aren't permitted to have their phones on at work, let alone be engaging in perpetual text exchanges with other staff. Talking about patients, taking pictures of patients, Googling dead babies' parents.

It's fucking disgraceful. Is it normal in the NHS for phones to be never out of nurses' hands or was C of C just especially shit at absolutely every feature of guarding patient safety and patient confidentiality?
I mean it wasn't just her was it? She was texting other people when she was off duty as they worked. While she was at work she was texting people who were off. No one ever said "This isn't really appropriate call me when we're both off" It was completely normalised.

I would not be happy if I thought that staff were running about a ward I was on or my loved ones were on with the means of taking images or videos of myself or other patients. I sure as shit wouldn't feel confident about the standard of care being delivered by staff who are administering meds and recording vital signs between planning drinkies, moaning about their workload & reassuring one another about what stellar medical professionals they all are.

 

[Tofino]

The fact they have a statistician making comments on medical evidence shows you how low they have gone in this programme. I refuse to watch it but I’ll happily submit a complaint if someone can summarise the worst points once it’s over.

Having said that I still wouldn’t worry too much. Our country is burning down right now so unfortunately for them, I don’t think this will gain a huge amount of traction. But I just find it insulting and offensive especially to the families.

I’m really sick of all MSM at the moment though. Every single one of them are complicit in spreading misinformation on a variety of topics depending what suits their agenda. This is just another example.

 

[AllieBee]

Only Letby knows if she's done it. I don't know. You don't know. The jury don't know. Everyone has an opinion and people could be right, but might also be wrong.

I know she's done it. The prosecution knew she did it. The jury knew she did it. The judge knew she did it. That's why she's locked up for life. The evidence against her is all there.

 

[SarahG300]

I was very undecided since hearing about it on her first arrest.

I followed the case and when the first trial started I was undecided as I just couldn’t believe that someone could do such a thing

When it came to LL taking the stand and as I live 15 minutes away from court and had some time off I went - does that make me bad?

Members of the public are allowed in court.

Seeing LL on the stand and blatantly lying swung me to Guilty

I went again on the second trial - does that make me bad?

What I find bad is the behaviour of the NG - the abhorrent comments towards the parents, the pushing & shoving in court (Didn't have that on the first trial) the recording in court, the writing down of the babies names, the online vitriol

LL has how many WLO - she isn’t getting out

 

[Tofino]

Mark McDonald also represents Benjamin Geen, a nurse who was jailed for life in 2006 for murdering two of his patients and poisoning 15 others.

Geen’s application to appeal against his convictions was denied by the Court of Appeal in 2009.

The CCRC then denied two applications in 2013 and 2015 to send Geen’s case back to the Court of Appeal.

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I don’t think there is much to worry about.
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Apart for the upset for the families of course. But in terms of her being successful.

 

[IGiveUp22]

I know both medics and police officers and they always talk sensitively about traumatic events and are effected, not emotionless and cold.

100% agree with this. Yes to an extent, those in these types of professions do become desensitised in order to be able to perform their duties however, they’re not devoid of emotion. I can still recall in great detail a lot of the domestic cases I investigated that impacted me emotionally - would you have known that whilst I was doing my job? Absolutely not.

If I’d then gone on to be accused of murdering several of those people I’d be paid to help would I be devoid of emotion when talking about my innocence? Absolutely not. I’d probs be able to control it to an extent so I could answer questions but I’d be showing emotion.

The only emotion shown by letby in the first trial was when the dr she was clearly having an affair with took to the stand. The rest of the outburst have been for herself, not for the babies/parents.

 

[Liverbird2003]

758,000 nurses and midwives on the NMC register. 19 nurses have stated their worry. Not much is it in comparison.

 

[slingo16]

Find these threads quite interesting, there has always been a strong ‘guilty’ bias in the regular posters here. I’m not sure I recall anyone being convinced by the trial I feel there was a strong confirmation bias in the presented evidence and if in this happened ‘pro guilty’ forum I could see the same in a more ‘NG’ leaning environment as the evidence was all circumstantial.

Strange how the NG camp are all describe as ‘nutters’ essentially when the pro-guilty camp had its only band of very dedicated followers e.g I can’t imagine going to court of trial I’m not related to directly. There’s something slightly ghoulish about it and the level of investment (aware how hypocritical I am by posting on this thread now).

I personally have been undecided throughout of her guilt and I think I would struggle to find her ‘guilty beyond reasonable doubt’ if I was on the jury. I honestly don’t feel I have a ‘camp’ I am truly undecided it’s not that I feel she is innocent more that I am not convinced by the evidence presented of her guilt.

You say you don’t think there was anyone here who was convinced by the trial? seems unlikely that you’ve followed the threads tbh

 

[AllieBee]

Know we’re not bothered about the trolls & ghouls on SM but just wanted to let you know @AllieBee that one of the biggest ones with the small penis syndrome has put this on Twitter

quite he was arrested for stalking a young girl…

Just to let you know

Ha thanks! He's right i dont have a clue what ots like to be arrested for stalking kids or murder and I never will because I'm not a perv or a murderer. Doesnt change the fact she was arrested 3 years before her trial, had been fully assessed and her MH was fine, and had had plenty of time to prepare herself for court, reflect on what she'd done and prepare for her defence. She was as she was on court not because she was desensitised to baby death, not because she was traumatised but because she was a cold calculated murderer. As for Chris the Perv, you can do one weirdo as you obviously read here

 

[Tilly Kister]

It's unimagineable what the families of these children are going through & how long they've had to endure it. They must have looked at the verdicts as being the beginning of them finding some peace & privacy at last in which to grieve their lost babies. Only to see the gutter press, a mob of alcoholic social media tragics & a sizeable troupe of scam artists join forces to start shrieking about this wrongful conviction bullshit. The same for those left caring for the devastatingly injured children she tried & failed to kill. To have the strength to get up every morning and do those exhausting, heartbreaking tasks until they fall into bed at night. To know that this will be their reality forever and that she did it. Then to hear day in and day out those cretins cry about the injustices done to her.

She's destroyed entire families. She's stolen their joy, their hope & the futures they dreamed of having. And now this rag-tag troupe of ill-informed ghouls are dancing in the ruins of their once beautiful lives.

I do not know how any of the families have remained sane. I cannot ever conceive of having the strength it must take to do that. To not just start screaming - and never stop.

 

[tay65]

The fact they have a statistician making comments on medical evidence shows you how low they have gone in this programme. I refuse to watch it but I’ll happily submit a complaint if someone can summarise the worst points once it’s over.

Having said that I still wouldn’t worry too much. Our country is burning down right now so unfortunately for them, I don’t think this will gain a huge amount of traction. But I just find it insulting and offensive especially to the families.

I’m really sick of all MSM at the moment though. Every single one of them are complicit in spreading misinformation on a variety of topics depending what suits their agenda. This is just another example.

I have purposely not watched it because I knew it would infuriate me but have come to Tattle after it finished to see your responses and now I'm glad I didn't watch it. I hope she hasn't been able to watch it on her TV and bask in glory in her cell. I hope the prison staff who will probably be curious and watch it don't feel sorry for her and think she is NG. I hope the families aren't upset by this programme and the lack of consideration for them and their loss. Hopefully more of her crimes will be uncovered which might just shut some of these people up.

 

[AllieBee]

It's so insulting not only to the poor babies and their families but also the barristers, the judge and both juries, as well as the judges at the court of appeal. Petby couldn't have had better representation yet the crazies are trying to pass him off as a bit of an idiot. Twitter is a total nutter fest, I suppose because I've read a few of their posts, the algorithms are now filling up my feed with them.

 

[MmmB777]

Premature babies don't usually cry like term babies do. NNU ensures all their needs are met, warmth, food, oxygen so they are usually content. They haven't got the energy reserves of a chubby term baby.

And of course baby E had blood all round the mouth when mum came down too as well as being unable to be consoled. There’s no way she’d misremember that and of course all the phone records and dad’s account all match up. Too many occasions where Letby says she knows better than parents that watched their children die or in life threatening situations. Not a chance baby C’s parents misremember Letby rushing them to give the baby to her after death and of course all matches up to the Nurse in charge saying she also had to tell Letby to leave parent’s alone to grieve. Often not even her designated baby. But she was so normal

 

[wibble]

Don't mind me, I buzzed and someone let me in...
I've just come in at nearly midnight on my day off to catch up with some paperwork...

Have the growing list of experts explained why this is normal yet?

 

[Haveyouanywool]

I got about 5 minutes in and just couldn’t go any further.
The Dr/Statistician, whoever it was, holding up the nursing shift rota and saying, well this doesn’t count, there are no Drs on it. No, because Drs have their own shift rota, you twat, a shift rota that was presented at trial.
Then, as a Band 5, ‘LL was one of the most experienced and qualified nurse on the ward’ . What about the band 6s, charge nurses, nurse practitioners etc. Laughable, just laughable.
Those documentary’ makers should hang their heads in shame.’

 

[Ali88]

I don’t think that she’s innocent and saying I’m undecided isn’t to be …different? Whatever you mean by that.

Sorry if I’ve caused upset by posting, mostly tattle is open to debate and differences in opinion it appears not here. I’ll leave you to it.

Tattle generally is, yes, but the debate with this subject ended really after following the trial for nearly a year day in and day out for most posters here and posting daily on the numerous threads throughout that time. As you said previously, you just popped onto this thread now to post you’re undecided etc - respectfully, people here who did follow the trial and evidence at the time will think you’re over a year too late.

 

[sebanna]

I teared up at this. I’ve got a 1 year old so newborn crying doesn’t seem that long ago, but for them to say the screams were screams they’d never heard before is f*cking awful. You can’t even imagine what some of those staff and parents were put through.

Premature babies don't usually cry like term babies do. NNU ensures all their needs are met, warmth, food, oxygen so they are usually content. They haven't got the energy reserves of a chubby term baby.

 

[Aberscot]

I have followed the trial throughout and I absolutely wish she wasn’t guilty but as the trial went on and I listened to all the evidence heard in court it was apparent she was. She is now the most prolific serial killer in British history so to call people names for following a high profile case is out of order, in my option she is worse than Hindley.
As i say I wish she wasn’t guilty then the babies she murdered would be here with their parents living the best life.
Instead she prowled the wards picking off the most innocent victims and sabotaging a lot more that I am sure of too.
Just wished she looked like a serial killer then nobody would still be trying to defend her, oh wait what does a serial killer look like..

 

[Apostate]

McDonald has an impressive track record of appealing murder convictions - and losing. So this will be another for his CV.

 

[AllieBee]

How is there something 'ghoulish' about the people not defending a serial killer? Surely the 'ghoulish' ones are the people that are defending a serial killer.

Exactly. And the NG people are called nutters because hats exactly what they are. You only have to read their profiles to see they are mostly a bunch of middle ages, hopelessly inadequate, men who get off on supporting serial killers