I don’t doubt she’s manipulative but I think you are giving her a bit too much credit with just how clever she is. Certainly no more than Allitt or Shipman. She got caught at age 25? 26? And we know it should have been at least a year earlier had the trust not just ignored the consultants. We don’t know if they were taken in by her or if there was other stuff going on and they had other motives to just ignore what she was doing. The consultants caught on pretty quick that she was the common denominator. She didn’t have them fooled.
How long do they think Shipman was committing his crimes for before getting caught?
Phew thank god for this. Brains of Britain couldn’t fucking spell embolism. Or draw.
it seems to have been a perfect storm that kept her from being uncovered fairly swiftly after the first three babies. She was manipulative for sure but I see no evidence at all of a super intellectual.
right deep breath
I am still struggling to catch up with you all! What a very strange and surreal day yesterday was. Like so many of you have felt, it’s very different to how I imagined. I cried, every interview and article made me tearful. Hid it from the kids but so grateful to have had my wonderful Mum with me, who would have fit in very well here with us and knew this was a done deal from day dot!
I felt sickened that it’s all so bloody real now. Numb. I also just wanted to be Mum. To my beautiful babes having a blast on holiday. To my darling little late June 2016 7 year old, so happy and full of beans in the pool. Eating his body weight in pizza. It’s such a glorious age. Every piece of my heart breaks knowing that those little babies should be happy children having fun right now. Not only that but it’s so senseless and horrendously cruel how they were taken. For some foul beast’s sick game. I’ve always felt this is the cruelest crime imaginable and reading/hearing some of the parents’ own words yesterday only drilled that home. I didn’t know or perhaps had let it slip my mind, that baby F was another child left with complex needs now
it’s unthinkable what they’ve been through. Horrifying.
I would really appreciate not being told off for the next opinion. Please know that I say it with utmost sympathy for the jury and everything they’ve been through. They will all be changed forever, I feel desperately sorry for them.
But I am mad. Really fucking angry for the babies that didn’t get justice. Reading this
it sounds to me like this is when many jurors were distressed. There were probably many that really really wanted to return guilty on all and had understood the instruction properly (agree wholeheartedly with you
@IdeletedbutI'mbackagain 
as usual).
I’m sorry but to accept unanimously Letby was capable of causing car crash like injuries on baby O and then NOT SEE that she was then capable to kill his brother the next day (yes only one juror but jeez!). If she could do that to a baby then she was surely capable of anything. It’s baffling and yeah I’m going to say it - I think quite frankly it’s moronic (don’t @ me please! Leave you little angry reactions if you must
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@Tofino I share your upset and frustration completely with all the hung and NG verdicts. I actually did a deep dive on baby H and wrote a long (shocker) post about it late one night but never hit send. I don’t need it explaining from a legal sense about those trickier ones, I don’t need an explanation on burden of proof or circumstantial evidence. The whole fucking point was that they inform each other. If she was capable of poisoning (yes this was intention to kill, she knows that better than anyone), of causing horrendous bleeding, of liver lacerations - the idea she did that and didn’t do others is totally idiotic imo. How could the intention to kill not be there for baby Q when we know she’s killed two babies in as many days and she had wanted to kill three. How could anybody think, that after killing so many babies by filling them with air and liquid, that she wasn’t intending to do anything other than kill that baby or wasn’t distinctly aware that her actions could easily kill baby q. She caused him a life threatening situation and walked out that fucking room. That child almost had an operation they didn’t need and has brain damage, I hate seeing baby Q’s case downplayed.
I’m relieved the pros intend to go after the hung verdicts, damn right they should. It will hurt them deeply that they didn’t get the right result on those. But to think that any of the families have to go through this AGAIN and that they can’t close this chapter- it’s haunting. Yes I’m sure there’s comfort in that she’s not getting out ever and hopefully comfort in knowing that everyone with a brain can see she hurt their babies exactly how the prosecution said she did. But to start again and go through the courts again, hear all the evidence again- it’s a total travesty. I hope the poor jurors that clearly wanted to give them justice don’t dwell on it and can feel proud of their part in securing her never seeing freedom again. To the poster that knows a family that didn’t get their justice- I don’t know if there is a way to express to them, that everybody knows what she did and everybody considers their baby just as worthy of justice as all the poor other souls. We all know the truth and the general public, with brains and hearts, wish them so much love and strength to get through the next phase of this nightmare.
The extent of the true cover up in this case is mind blowing. Awful. Whilst I’m a little frustrated that it appears that side to the story is already getting more attention than the murderous cunt, I do totally agree they need to face the proper consequences.
have to add to all the love too. Can no longer see as I type so sorry if even more incoherent than usual. I am just so grateful to have had this space with you all. For a whole host of reasons, we’ve all found ourselves captured with this awful case and desperate for justice for the families and babies. The warmth and empathy here is something to behold and feel proud of. This thread has put warm virtual arms around so many when it was needed. And the laughs- good god you are all so bloody funny. The joke has always been on her or on us. It was extremely cathartic for me to see her taken down and reduced to nothing but a sick evil joke of a creature. Especially, as
@gigilouxx so accurately points out, as a narc it would totally eat her up inside and I’m grateful it winds up the little freaks that defend and excuse the beige beast. Read it and weep suckers
I have to say a little bit of special love to the OGs, the queen Toffeepops you deserve all the praise and credit in the world for your contribution, my beloved medical experts
@docmum and
@Haveyouanywool thank you a million times- you amaze me
@OldBlondie 
it’s happened girl- she’s gone
,
@LittleMy I loved your takes and gifs even when you had to check on the thread and walk straight out again, probably because of my antics 🫣 thanks for forgiving me
,
@Daisydunn15 and
@slingo16 thanks for accepting our differences and overcoming all the tense moments and adding greatly to the discussion. So many others
@Windowtothewall you’ve analysed things spectacularly.
To all the lovely NICU mums that brought so much insight
@stardust1 ohThankyou (sorry can’t remember exact @)
@IdeletedbutI'mbackagain - you made me see how strong the babies really are. They had every chance in the world. I feel bettered as a person for understanding what you all went through.
@gigilouxx @Lucyxxxx @DellaC i’ve genuinely cried laughing at your posts on so many occasions. It has helped so much. You’re all incredible.
@DellaC i know I speak for everyone when I say we all bloody wish we knew you in real life
as warm as you are funny.
To all the lovely newbies that fit straight in and brought a breath of fresh air into the threads- too many to mention! I’m so glad
@Tofino let you all in
To all the warriors, that have been going through such hard times, grief, diagnosis, stresses and upheavals - it’s all been so human and so much empathy shown. To our court reporters- thank you
We have something Letby will never ever have. The ability to relate, emote and connect. It’s what life is. The ability to feel, care and show it. There is so much more good in this world than evil and you are all proof of that.
There are so many incredible people I will have failed to mention there and sorry it’s getting a bit fucking Gwyneth at the Oscars now. Did you expect anything less than
Lastly (promise), although I am not religious at all, the churches in Italy are the most beautiful in the world and they’re very befitting for these sweet babies, I’m going to visit the most spectacular one before I leave and light candles for them.
Stay strong. I’ll keep reading and catching up as much as I can xxxx
the paps found it bizarre- so do I
