Lucy Letby Case #58

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They were selected for this jury but they didn't need to be on the jury. Any of them could have got out of it. They don't take problematic jurors for long trials as it's a liability. They committed to this for the long haul and they shouldn't have if they weren't prepared to do the job properly.
Yes you're right.

But tit happens. Well it does in my world.

If it doesn't in yours then you are truly blessed 🙂
 
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I just really hope after all this time she’s found guilty and this waiting, emotion and turmoil will all melt away with overwhelming joy and satisfaction. It’s alright people feeling sorry for jurors but this case was explained to them in the beginning. They knew it was complex, had taken 3 arrests and years to come to court. They were notified it’d be 6 months so certainly not your average case. The families may be waiting on that closure for justice for their child. The wounds reopened by police after a few years of trying to live without their precious child suspecting their baby was murdered and/or harmed. The jury must take on board the families angst and desperation too. Judge Goss needs to get tougher especially if goes on longer than next week 😔
 
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Both. They missed days during the trial too
But are the absences higher than average compared to other trials is what I’m saying? How can people judge whether the absences are ‘normal/standard’ or not?
 
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So with all this whataboutary going on; how long should they take? 3 more weeks? 3 more months? 3 more years? How long are the excuses allowed to run out? All whilst the parents are presumably in the depths of hell in their heads 🤔
 
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I don’t understand how it’s “away from life” they have evenings and weekends with their family. Most people with families work during the week so although it must be so mentally draining and hard no different to a day job in respect of timing. Lockdown was extremely different. I don’t know how you can even compare tbh
It could be away from their life though? Maybe their family works nights or maybe they usually work nights so only see their family in the day. Maybe they work weekends as they need days off in the week rather than the weekends. Just because it’s normal for the majority doesn’t mean it is for everyone
 
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None of you, not a single one of you, has any idea what’s going on with the jury.
Imagine trying to do shifts for a dozen employees? It’s impossible without someone wanting to change. These are ordinary people with lives to lead.
This is one of the most serious trials I’ve come across in terms of the charges. I’ve no doubt the jury is taking their role seriously but also, frankly, half the population is below average intelligence and with 22 charges and 4000 documents is going to be a lot for people to go over.
This isn’t for our entertainment and I think those getting frustrated seem to think it is. I’ve seen some quite shameful comments about people who we know nothing about (and never will).
Fair comment. People have all sorts going on in their lives and we have absolutely no idea what these absences are for. The one thing we absolutely do know, because he has a history, is that this judge takes no tit. So I’m happy to leave this in his more than capable hands and not throw a tantrum because I’m not getting a verdict quickly enough. I’m sure the parents have already suffered the worst day(s) of their lives and their wait for justice is minuscule in relation to that.
 
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There's a theory that the jury would have consisted of a high number of disabled and retired people, as they would be the ones least likely to have childcare or work commitments for a lengthy trial. This could explain the unusual amount of appointments, presumably for illnesses.

The only way this is acceptable in my mind is if a juror or their dependent has developed a serious illness during the trial. Otherwise, I think at this point they should be sequestered.

I know we say it is awful. But in some ways it is a privilege to live in a country where civilians can be to play a part in the justice system, especially enacting justice in the worst serial killer case we've seen in decades - either for the victims and their families (as we know and believe), or if there are any doubtful plebs on the jury, ensuring that the woman accused of said crimes gets a fair trial. Therefore, I no longer have any sympathy for whatever impact it has had on their lives: there is so much at stake here that they are responsible for.
But in all fairness, what impact does it really have if the deliberations take 1 week or 4 weeks? It definitely impacts the lives of other jurors who can't do anything about it.

As for the families - if there was a live feed everyday of the police investigation that took 4 years, would we say the police and CPS are slackers and need to hurry it up as it's not fair to the parents? If we had no visibility of the court proceedings, and had no idea when the trial ended and deliberations began (i.e all we knew is someone was charged and then next thing you hear is a G verdict), would we be slating the jury for taking too long? Or just revelling in the verdict? In fact I'm not sure we would even think about the jury.

Guess what I'm saying is, our frustration is only because we are invested and it's become a key part of our day for 10 months - so not knowing feels a huge weight. However, for everyone else in the case, they've had delays and waiting for 8 years so they are familiar with how slow justice can be.
 
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It could be away from their life though? Maybe their family works nights or maybe they usually work nights so only see their family in the day. Maybe they work weekends as they need days off in the week rather than the weekends. Just because it’s normal for the majority doesn’t mean it is for everyone
My husband works away 2 weeks at a time. I see him for 2 days an entire month. That’s my life not 10 months of it
 
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Those poor families really are being treated like absolute rit by the jurors. How is this allowed? A morning appointment today and now the whole of Monday off? Why isn't the constant bleeping non-attendance contempt of court?

I don't give a shiny tit what's happening in their lives. In the real world I'm in a team of over 200 and there hasn't been this level of absence EVER. This isn't normal and it isn't ok and it's torturous to the families stuck in limbo. This behaviour is disgusting now.
BIB - this. I guess it’s not contempt of court because they’ve got the judge’s permission but at what point does he just say no it’s ridiculous now you’re doing less than a 24 hour week every week?
 
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The soap opera comment makes no sense anyway. Surely if people here saw it as a soap they wouldn't want it to end, but pretty much everybody wants it over because it's a serious case (not soapy) and feel the families deserve swift justice.
 
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I don’t understand how it’s “away from life” they have evenings and weekends with their family. Most people with families work during the week so although it must be so mentally draining and hard no different to a day job in respect of timing. Lockdown was extremely different. I don’t know how you can even compare tbh
It is away from life. You can't make any plans or commitments. You can't discuss your work (basically how you spent your day) with your family or anyone. You can't have a holiday, you have to hope your spouse, parent, child doesn't fall ill or have any problems. Your life is entirely dependent now on 11 strangers and the absences they have. It is entirely dictated by the court.

It's like lockdown because it's not normal life. It's living in a bubble. In lockdown people could still see their families (in fact were living with them), they could still wfh - but they couldn't make any future plans as had no idea when it ended. They couldn't have any appointments, or holidays, weddings and funerals were a struggle to organise. Had to hope no one got ill or lost a job or needed anything as we didn't know what we could do. Lives were dictated by the Govt.

The jury have had all that (after already living a few years of lockdown with delays/cancellations) except they also have the huge decision of deciding whether to send someone to prison for life or not.
 
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Whilst I’m at it, the accused themselves (even tho she is a wanker) also deserves to have a committed, competent, and engaged jury. I would want that too.
 
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