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MmmB777

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I’m going to say one more thing actually because I don’t take too kindly to being accused of enjoying or revelling in what happened to these people. When that could not be further from the truth, for any of us. You’re mistaking the bond we’ve forged, the laughs we’ve had to have to get past everything and the investment we have in the case because we desperately want the families to get justice as some kind of sick enjoyment of the actual events.
We are desperate for this thing to END. That is what truly unites us because actually, despite the echo chamber comments, there are many differences over aspects of the case, the jury, her motive, many things. Every day we hope it’s the day. Every day as the clock ticks down and we realise it isn’t, we are gutted. Frustrated. I want it over so badly so the world knows what she did and who she really is. I want that disgusting smug face of hers, holding up that baby grow, replaced with her scowling mugshot. I want all the people claiming she’s hard done by, to go back under their rocks. I want the families to put this harrowing chapter to rest. And more than ANYTHING we just want justice for those babies that had their whole lives ahead
of them, that she stole in the worst way imaginable. That is what really unites us and it’s not worthy of anybodies self righteous scorning condemnation.
And I’m going to share my mum’s message again, that summed it all up and explained how I feel about it all so well but this time, I’ll share my message she was replying to.
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that is why we are here. We’re here because we care. And we happen to have found that for the most part we get on and are like minded in many other ways.
Don’t you dare come here and tell people they’re
here for a soap opera. It’s your own fault if that’s what you see this thread as because YOU sit back and just observe it.
 
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DellaC

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I have trust in Judge Goss and I don't think he'd allow a full day off at this late stage unless it was a valid reason.

It is very frustrating but I'd prefer a planned day off than everyone arrive at court and there be a no show.

Imagine: you're a juror and have turned up religiously every day. You've seen one fellow juror get diagnosed with an illness and discharged and you've put up with another juror being a lairy knob, missing days after football matches, coming in stinking of last nights booze etc.
All the while you've been caring for your elderly mum at home, you've managed to arrange cover for court days but her condition has deteriorated. She died last week but you still turned up every day. Her funeral is Monday. Should you ask Judge Goss for a day off?

Thats obviously fabricated but the truth is we have no idea, people do have complicated lives. The could be burying their own baby on Monday. We just don't know but if we did we MIGHT feel differently because in the main we are a caring and compassionate lot.

Keep the faith in Gossy, even if you've lost it in the jury. I know it's frustrating and our hearts break for those parents but he's the boss man.
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rannyrart

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A reminder that this forum is an echo chamber of people who think guilty (About 95%). On Facebook, it's pretty much 50/50 split and on reddit it's about 75/25 split (G/NG).

I'm guessing the jury is probably something like 8:3 guilty or 7:4 guilty, but obviously it's impossible to know.
An echo chamber?? Seriously? Sorry, I’ve not been here long and in the beginning only followed the trial via the CS, until I found tattle and followed from the outside whilst registrations were closed, but even I had the decency to read back on all the early threads, and I can tell you something matey, tattle was not an echo chamber in the early days, the reason tattle thinks guilty is because the hours and hours of debating and scrutinising the evidence.

Reddit is forever referring to Tofs wiki, and FB simply doesn’t count as they lack critical thinking skills.

Your entitled to your opinion, but to come on here and insult the intelligence of many people who have invested so many months of their lives with only one common thing in mind, justice for the babies and their families, is frankly disgraceful, disrespectful and dickish behaviour!
 
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Shinythings

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Look I'm going to sound preachy here but whatever. It's an essay.

I will defend a jury unless they are acting unlawfully or immorally and here's why.

1. Unless you have served in a jury in a horrific case you simply do not know what's it like. You just don't. It's not the same as serving on say a case for theft or fraud. They have heard horrific details for months on end and then they go over and over them again in deliberations. Even the strongest person, that will wear you down.

2. Deliberations are exhausting. Our days were 10-4/4.30 and I would go to bed at 8pm because I was drained. It is not like being at work all day. Getting people to come to a life changing decision on a horrific crime is extremely difficult even if a verdict seems obvious. It's even harder if you have a dickhead on the jury or someone who just doesn't get something or someone who simply refuses to make up their mind. It is very frustrating to not be able to deliver a quick verdict for the victims and you go back into court every day to say you haven't delivered a verdict and the looks and frustration you get are not nice.

3. You don't know anything about these people and for good reason. They could all be wonderful, smart, well educated people. They could be the worst of society. Chances are they are somewhere in the middle. You don't know what's going on in their lives. Stop making baseless assumptions.

4. The Judge gives permission for appointments and breaks and my understanding is they need to be good reasons. If you're annoyed at people being allowed to attend appointments be angry at the Judge. The Judge also decides if someone should be removed from a jury. A juror can ask but it's up to the Judge. You have no idea what the breaks are for. Someone could be having ongoing medical treatment, people may be getting married, attending funerals etc. Remember this trial was scheduled to finish in April. People had life planned for after this as any of us would do if you were told a trial was likely to take a certain amount of time. He's not granting days off for shopping trips. Also they've not had annual leave like you would in a normal job.

5. You feel immense pressure to get the decision right and that weighs very heavily on your shoulders. You are deciding whether an innocent person has their life completely destroyed forever or a horrific, sick person walks free if you get it wrong. That's a lot. I would much rather a jury takes a month to reach a verdict that they believe is the right one than rush because there is pressure. You are reminded of that every single day that your decision must be an unpressured one.

Before I sat I would have made similar comments as many of you tbh. You just don't 'get it' unless you've lived it and it completely changed my perspective on juries. I'm sure onlookers and the public would have made similar comments about us (in fact we got yelled vile names at as we left) but I can wholeheartedly say we all really fucking cared, we didn't all agree but we tried our absolute best. No one was an arsehole but we still couldn't all agree. We all fucking cried as the verdicts were read and it still affects me to this day. I can't imagine how hard it is for them.

So yes, I will defend a jury for the most part and that's why.

TLDR: Being on a jury in a horrific case is hard af. Don't judge.
 
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jolly_parsley

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Good morning lads so turns out I’ve been living off toast and ginger biscuits this week because I’m actually pregnant with my first! Ordered a book of dad jokes last night that should arrive today, and that will be how my husband finds out! So happy but also absolutely shitting myself 🤣 I thought a microwave safe pot also meant it would be safe on the hob and melted the bottom of it and now I’m gonna be responsible for a person?!?!?!!
 
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MmmB777

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I actually haven’t even read the wiki or followed along the live reporting. I saw this photo and never looked back.
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Daisydunn15

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Just cos I can't help but say my piece..
I don't think the jury are necessarily lazy or shit, we don't know a thing about them. They might be sackless skive offs, they might be doing their very best. This case was never intended to last so long and I can't imagine working 10m without a week annual leave or without being able to plan a weekend away or a day out in the summer. It's not unreasonable for them to have booked a Dr's appt or whatever it is, when the trial should have been done by now. This could be an appt they've been on a v long waiting list for. All it takes is an inconvenient time like 12.40 to lose the whole day of sitting.
However, we're all here and we've all been posting for 10m because we care. We're disgusted and devastated by what's happened. We're interested in how a person could do that, we've discussed every available piece of reporting over and over. If we become frustrated and blame it on the jury, it's because we desperately want justice for these families and it's because we care.

It's really fucking rude to be coming in at this point and trying to insult us, and question our intentions in following the case. Yeah this is a public forum but I've spoken with this bunch of cunts more than my own family most days. The fellas in this thread checked in on how my poorly baby was doing more than some of my real life friends. We've formed a lovely community here and anyone coming in just to antagonise the group can fuck the fuck off.
 
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Deeznutslol

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Not for money exactly, but when I was about 15 I figured out that if you make up fake complaints to companies, they send you free stuff.
So I spent like a whole summer emailing like Tesco, McDonalds and fucking captain birds eye telling them I found bones in my fish fingers and shit like that and just getting loads and loads of discount cards, vouchers and free food sent to me in the post 💀. Then my mum found out and was like wtf are you doing, this is fraudulent you absolute scrote
 
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Lucyxxxx

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Thought I’d have a gander at the earlier threads and bloody hell! Never thought I’d see our @Lucyxxxx be NG! This is exactly why these idiots screeching ‘echo chamber’ should actually read the earlier threads
Yeah I was the team leader and head of team NG. Lol awks.

Also guess whos back by popular demand!!! (PP)
 
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Daisydunn15

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Maybe this thread is just an echo chamber and you all peer pressured me into thinking she's G. I think that's why @MmmB777 didnt use paragraphs, it was to hypnotise me. Maybe I just looked at her big chin and dead eyes to make my decision, rather than actually considering the massive amounts of defence evidence. I mean, shit in the sink explains a lot. I've just googled it and apparently shit in a nearby sink can cause high insulin levels. Also, my auntie's a nurse and she said that she's seen lots of people get get prosecuted for serial killing if the CQC were due a visit, just to hide any discrepancies in their care plans or something.
I reckon @Lucyxxxx only came off the fence for a shag and just got lost on her way back, so she ended up with the weird G conspiracy people.
I'm glad I've had this opportunity to reflect. I'd be climbing back over the fence if it weren't for that chin...
 
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gigilouxx

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Great news, our other chippy is open so I’ve got a cheeseburger, nuggets, chips, fish cake and my sauces on the way 🎉 I love everyone, the jury are great, Richard Gill isn’t that bad
 
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LittleMy

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Littlest My’s first baby tooth came out yesterday so we’re having a very excited morning now that the tooth fairy has been. 😁

It’s his birthday in a couple of weeks so hopefully he doesn’t lose any more in that time. Tooth fairy is skint 😂
 
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Treesy19

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The fact not one medical professional from
the UK, or beyond, was prepared to go in that witness box in some kind of support for her, to go against the existing sea 🌊 of medical professionals…what was the reason for that then? They were all otherwise engaged? Don’t make me laugh. Her only “defence” witness was a plumber who brought literally no defence 😂. Poor guy probably lost some decent pay to show up too.

Give me doubt by telling me another person was there to cause every murder or attempt. Give me someone else who wrote a damning confession note 🥴. Give me someone else who stole 257 hospital documents. Give me someone else who lied many times on the stand over simple questions, give me someone else who was caught red handed by a doctor, by a parent.

Anyone else then? Nope.

At this point, these people are either trolls or really fucking stupid.
 
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oldjamfan

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An echo chamber my arse
An echo chamber my arse
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slingo16

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Echo chamber hahahaha the defence was a fucking plumber. We’ve done all the “ well there could be reasonable explanations for x y z “ turns out there’s no reasonable explanation for anything and she’s definitely a murderer
 
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