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Im new to this thread. Just read the last page. Im gona comment cold. With no preconceptions or opinions. Ill read though later…so

I had a premature baby at the countess of chester hospital. A few years before the baby deaths in scbu. At 29 weeks He stayed in for nearly 5 weeks and I barely left babies side.

I know the layouts the protocols and one paediatrician in particular. Dr Gibbs. Still there I believe.
We usually chat about what he's passionate about.
His work…so
We spoke babies…

dr Gibbs is like an incabod crane character from sleepy hollow.
Tall and huge hands.
Not the first time Id had dealings with him as hes treated all my kids for one thing or another.

He does his rounds on all the prem babies. He’d pick them up and look at them all over twisting his wrist so he never missed a spot. We look
In amazement. I chuckled and said “ you must be like crane to them. We laughed.

We chatted more and he talked of a time when the generators failed at the hospital and so did the back up.
There was no ventilation for the babies. Dr gibbs was the only one there, he manually ventilated 3 babies alone. He said, ‘so my hands and wing span came in handy that day! Rushing from cot to cot for a terrifying few minutes. He kept all three babies alive and they survived.
The attention and care my son had was remarkable. The details such as flat you can use with your family to relax and eat. The little knitted clothes to use and the memory boxes for your baby. The support and the chats the nurses would be so attentive. Make you drinks.
There is no way on this earth that those doctors and nurses on The countess of Chester neonatal ward, from my personal experience over a month we where there,was in the slightest bit negligent. Maybe too trusting in what happened. But never neglectful.

They layout is 3 rooms. As you come through the ward turn left, the emergency room 1 is to your right. If its was the same then. Theres a side room to your left where a very high dependant poorly baby would be. Then room 3 is ahead. Thats the last room before home and room 2 is next to room 3 but not in view. I can see how shes been able to hide whats shes doing if shes in the high dependant room and room 2. Its out of view. Then when a baby is really poorly a screen is used. Then again opportunity.
I saw alot, experienced a baby come from stoke to alderhay very poorly but died in Chester was treated with dignity and we all felt it because the air went quiet for the rest of the shift. So every baby death in there was felt by all. Respected by consultants nurses parents alike.
No…Id never for one minute suspect hospital neglect.
I know the nursing on the other wards is questionable but in high dependancy they have no choice to do their work or babies will die? .
All I saw where hard working professionals.
 
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rararala

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GET OFF TATTLE AND GO NOW! 🤣🤣🤣 (joking haha).
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I made it but only for a couple of hours, and I’m 💯 going back!

As the prosecution were delivering the start of the evidence for Child P, there was 400+ slides to go through, honestly cannot imagine how the jury have dealt with that for every single case. It was heavy. They have to go through all the swipe ins and outs from the shifts, all the medical stuff, prescribed meds, medical notes etc. so that took up a lot of the time. I understand why they do it but wow just so much info.

Even just hearing the children’s names made it all feel a lot more real as well. I think one of the most eye opening things was the amount of messages between LL and Dr no name. Obvs I now know his name and can see from google that he does still work in that area, so that’s potentially why he didn’t want to be named? They read out the messages that are relevant and hearing ‘it’s not you it’s the babies’ when LL was supposedly questioning what could poss be happening just made me feel cold, and yet another reason he won’t want to be named. He really did go out of his way to reassure her ALOT that she had done everything she could. In between the slides we did get glimpses of LL but I’d defo like to see her in abit more detail, and think if we get to know when the police interviews will be shown I will go back for those. Also as someone else mentioned the use of ‘lol’ when talking about the shift where so much had happened didn’t feel right at all. I don’t feel I got a true picture only being there for a short time, but I did see that she spends a heck of a lot of time on whatsapp&facebook messenger before and after events. If I remember more I’ll write it down these are just my first thoughts now ive got home! Gutted I missed people taking the stand! Defo going back!…
 
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MmmB777

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So they’re definitely not hypothetical future children 😬
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I hope for his sake he’s divorced or not with the mother because god help him if he was my fella (Oioi) and had been texting some nurse till 1am every night he really would be Dr fucking Noballs
 
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DellaC

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I'm looking forward to Dr Nonames book.

Apparently it's going to be entitled-

The Murderer and Me: A love story set in Cockington by the Sea.
 
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Im new to this thread. Just read the last page. Im gona comment cold. With no preconceptions or opinions. Ill read though later…so

I had a premature baby at the countess of chester hospital. A few years before the baby deaths in scbu. At 29 weeks He stayed in for nearly 5 weeks and I barely left babies side.

I know the layouts the protocols and one paediatrician in particular. Dr Gibbs. Still there I believe.
We usually chat about what he's passionate about.
His work…so
We spoke babies…

dr Gibbs is like an incabod crane character from sleepy hollow.
Tall and huge hands.
Not the first time Id had dealings with him as hes treated all my kids for one thing or another.

He does his rounds on all the prem babies. He’d pick them up and look at them all over twisting his wrist so he never missed a spot. We look
In amazement. I chuckled and said “ you must be like crane to them. We laughed.

We chatted more and he talked of a time when the generators failed at the hospital and so did the back up.
There was no ventilation for the babies. Dr gibbs was the only one there, he manually ventilated 3 babies alone. He said, ‘so my hands and wing span came in handy that day! Rushing from cot to cot for a terrifying few minutes. He kept all three babies alive and they survived.
The attention and care my son had was remarkable. The details such as flat you can use with your family to relax and eat. The little knitted clothes to use and the memory boxes for your baby. The support and the chats the nurses would be so attentive. Make you drinks.
There is no way on this earth that those doctors and nurses on The countess of Chester neonatal ward, from my personal experience over a month we where there,was in the slightest bit negligent. Maybe too trusting in what happened. But never neglectful.

They layout is 3 rooms. As you come through the ward turn left, the emergency room 1 is to your right. If its was the same then. Theres a side room to your left where a very high dependant poorly baby would be. Then room 3 is ahead. Thats the last room before home and room 2 is next to room 3 but not in view. I can see how shes been able to hide whats shes doing if shes in the high dependant room and room 2. Its out of view. Then when a baby is really poorly a screen is used. Then again opportunity.
I saw alot, experienced a baby come from stoke to alderhay very poorly but died in Chester was treated with dignity and we all felt it because the air went quiet for the rest of the shift. So every baby death in there was felt by all. Respected by consultants nurses parents alike.
No…Id never for one minute suspect hospital neglect.
I know the nursing on the other wards is questionable but in high dependancy they have no choice to do their work or babies will die? .
All I saw where hard working professionals.
Haven’t read any of the news articles today and your post alone has got me in tears. It’s nice to know there is recognition for those that are collateral damage, and that for so many years were practicing ‘normal’ medicine with the anecdotes like you share that inevitably are collected along the way. All these people whose first thought about their career will forever now be the guilt and humiliation of working alongside her, and the association that will forever follow them.
Thank you for humanising one of these people for us. It’s a reminder I think that was hugely needed as the case has become so so dark. ❤
 
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DellaC

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Dan was absolutely smashing it this morning/early afternoon but he's gone to pot again this past couple of hours.

He's a man without stamina and I'm sure he'd be devastated to hear that I'm very disappointed in his performance.
 
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Persephone

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Maybe I’m just a hard bitch but I can’t stand the sight of her parents either, probably because they are an extension of her.
I know it’s nothing to do with them but the cheap clothes, purple hair and plastic bags going into court grind my gears big time and that’s absolutely nothing to do with what their daughter stands accused of.
I am not sure as a mother I could go day in day out. Letby didn’t just wake up one day and start allegedly killing babies - there MUST be some back story.
Lucy is a grown, independent adult, living away from her parents. She and she alone has done this. Judging the parents on "cheap clothes", "purple hair" "plastic bags"... Is unnecessary given the magnitude and horrific nature of the crimes.
 
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Been following these threads for a while, but commenting to say I really do think she is guilty as sin. My question, though, is how does her defence lawyer do it? I know everyone has the right to a fair trial etc but I mean…it must be so hard to see the evidence and come up with a defence for her? Especially if you have a child yourself. I have a 2 year old and am currently pregnant; reading about LL’s behaviour makes me want to cry.
Probably because his role is vital to making sure she doesn't ever get out. If he does a shit job, she appeals, her convictions overturned, and she's our roaming the streets. If BM tries his hardest to pick holes in the prosecution's case and still can't get her declared not guilty, then he probably feels more comfortable that she never will roam the streets again.

If at the end of your day you can say you made sure nobody innocent was sent down for life, and also that the guilty ones won't be able to get out, that probably is satisfying.

It's not a job for me though personally 😂
 
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DellaC

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Well shitthebedfred good old noname isn't a live at home virgin...no pissing wonder he is hiding his identity! The wee dirty dog!!

I honestly misread him completely.

Get him on that stand.
 
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I wonder what Myers will say caused that? More confirmation bias? 🙄

Like others I can’t believe how shoddy the reporting is. The outcome of this will be huge, there will be documentaries, books, case studies, probably an itv drama or Netflix film a few years down the line. And so far when someone as important as the reviewing pathologist is on the stand we’ve had 4 tweets in 3 hours. As much as I hate the daily mail, their podcast has been the most informative source we’ve had for weeks now - and that’s only a 15 min (after you take out the intro) update once a week. I can’t believe reporters aren’t falling over themselves to report on it. I do appreciate that it’s a very long trial, it’s full of medical terms that you need to understand, and as we’ve gone through the babies it does get a bit repetitive for someone just dipping in and out. But it’s like they don’t grasp that each of those babies being discussed is a life, a tiny defenceless human, who’s either been attacked, left with life long disabilities or murdered, (very likely) by the person tasked with caring for them at their most vulnerable. I can’t get my head around why it’s getting so little attention. I hope as we move in to other evidence the reporting will improve, but I don’t have much hope. I thought the pathologist would be worth CS live updates but no, we have a few tweets from Dan. At least he’s there every day reporting but I wish he’d tweet more. The evidence being discussed now is so important.

If I lived closer I’d go to court and live report for you all myself 😂
 
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I’m pretty much up to date on the wiki. I was thinking on the main page whether to do some collated summaries under prosecution. For example a section on pathology - so you can see original pathologist and reviewing pathologist for each baby in one section.

What do you think and any suggestions for other sections? It might be too lengthy but what about a section of just messages in chronological order? (So not mixed with the other sequence of events?) I know PP asked about messages the other day.

I’m hoping Ben Myers is organised with the defence and focuses on one baby at a time then I can just add on the defence case to each page for the relevant baby.
You do realise you are providing all the true crime podcasters and YouTubers with 90% of the research for all their content when this is over, I hope they credit you!!
 
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Portiapoo

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I honestly think some of the hospital management should face consequences for their lack of concern and inability to listen to qualified professionals with repeated concerns! Looks like their interests were more about numbers than anything else!
 
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Treesy19

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Criminal barristers don’t go into the job for the money, I assure you. It’s the least lucrative of all the types! It’s a gruelling job.

I think Ben is doing a good job. I honestly don’t think he thinks she’s a woman wrongly accused. She’ll have told him and his team she’s not guilty and he’s representing her. He’s asking all the typical questions you’d expect to be asked with this type of crime.

I’ve been in the guilty camp since week 1. Not budged. I believe she the most evil serial killer I’ve ever heard of. I think she’ll be found guilty of all charges.
 
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Just browsed the thread. Interesting and many valid points.
Learned dr gibbs has since retired. What a way to spend your last years there with whats happened. After a life time of care. Poor chap. But if anyone was going to stand up for the unit, i didn't doubt for one minute it would of been him.

Im far from a medical expert, but premies rarely cry. Infact I never heard one cry there. They struggle because they hate the tubes and make a little squeaky noise. But never a full blown scream? Or even a cry like a new born. Lungs ain't developed. So something must of been done, very bad for a premie to cry?

I believe she did it. I stand by the doctors.
 
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gimmethattea

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If I were the parents, you can bet I would be going for full compensation from the management after this trial. There delays caused extra death, harm and trauma.

There is no excuse at all anymore.

Well done to all the staff who continued to raise their concerns and insisting.
 
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