Lucy Letby Case #2

[Weeder]

I’d hate to be judged off my Google search history. I look up every crime I hear about. I probably flag as a person of interest by now

Sorry still catching up....



This!!! I got paranoid because I was reading a lot about extremism, ISIS, Alt Right scary people and stuff because I'm curious and like facts (read aspie). I kept telling my husband if they break rhe door in and take me away please could he point out the kittens I look at

 

[I’mThankyou_]

Any nurses or HCAs on here...how normal is it for a colleague to attend to an alarm of a patient that isn't theirs if the allocated nurse isn't immediately present? To me, it doesn't sound unreasonable to do, especially on a NICU woth very unwell babies. But with the other evidence being presented, it can be shown to be sinister.

It's beyond normal to travel towards an alarm sounding, especially if you know the allocated nurse is on a break.
Just like when you hear the crash alarm go, if you're not doing anything you run towards it to assist.

 

[TrixieFranklin]

I think the question here is why.
I work in a very data heavy job, my company have made it very clear that we should never look at anyone’s details and then search them on social media, if we did it would be treated as a violation of our code of conduct.
I have never had the desire to look at anyone’s details,

I think you’re getting annoyed over nothing, There’s a huge difference between the needs of your SEN child and a safeguarding issue that poster was talking about. I spent years as a legal Secretary so I can see why a social worker would check up on a parent where abuse of a child is suspected. Its absolutely relevant if a vulnerable woman should keep away from a man known for child abuse, is telling you they do yet posts photos of them together on FB.

If that happens then the legalities of how they use and collate that information come into play. Sometimes its a bit like the police, a 'crime' has to be committed before they act.

Yes absolutely, I can totally appreciate how unnerving it feels to know someone has searched for you on social media. The context of child protection is investigative and unlike the police, we don’t want a crime to be committed before we step in. We have to turn up to houses unannounced sometimes, we have to look in the fridge and cupboards, we have to check wardrobes and beds. Nobody would do this without good reason but we need to see what’s going on behind the scenes because unfortunately people lie. If we took everybody’s word for it, lots of children would be at serious harm.

Lucy repeatedly searching for families is not in line with her job role and is downright creepy. I do wonder whether it will come out that some of her searches were before the babies died? Was there a pattern to who she attacked based on who their parents were?

 

[e.l.lofthouse]

It's beyond normal to travel towards an alarm sounding, especially if you know the allocated nurse is on a break.
Just like when you hear the crash alarm go, if you're not doing anything you run towards it to assist.

So she could bave just been doing the right thing? Maybe.

 

[I’mThankyou_]

Sorry but them declining is irrelevant to my point, I just mean that the fact there wasn't one means that the doctors point doesn't make sense or bold basis. Because the doctor cannot say for sure what caused it without one.

No but you asked why there wasn't one. So I was telling you why a PM wasn't performed.

 

[Lucymyers]

Granada live from court, reporting she was attending to these poor babies when she wasn’t assigned to them! That is crucial to the prosecution, she wasn’t supposed to be looking after them, in the room with them, ever! But every time she was, they got sick or died

But if they were short staffed?

 

[Lavender425]

I have been following this case and just come across this thread. I completely agree with those who have mentioned professional boundaries on FB. However, I have before searched for a family I've cared for.. They will always be etched in my memory and I just wanted to see that they were OK, that being said, it was one occasion. What the prosecution have described does seem obsessive, the repeated searches and especially the Christmas day search!

 

[Lucyxxxx]

i think it’s a common misconception with bundy tbh. by his own admission, he played on women’s ingrained politeness rather than the fact that he looked like an average sort of guy. he said himself that women are naturally polite and compliant (i guess because society tries to make them so) so they were always receptive to helping him carry things to his car under the guise of him being injured etc. even so, it wasn’t so much that he was good looking, just that he looked like any other man (i suppose like letby does).

appearance bias is absolutely a thing though.

See if a grown able bodied man had the cheek to approach me asking for help with something not a chance would I help lol. Glad I'm a right witch lol.

 

[e.l.lofthouse]

No but you asked why there wasn't one. So I was telling you why a PM wasn't performed.

Ah okay forgot I'd asked that. So can't the hospital/ police not say there should be one if it aids the investigation?

 

[I’mThankyou_]

So she could bave just been doing the right thing? Maybe.

Yep! Even now in the back of my mind I can hear the call buzzer or a cardiac alarm going off. It becomes natural instinct to be aware and go to the source especially if its prolonged you know no one is attending so you go to see for yourself

Ah okay forgot I'd asked that. So can't the hospital/ police not say there should be one if it aids the investigation?

I dont think so as the death occurred before an investigation took place. Ideally there should of been one. It was still an unexpected death but if the parents have chosen not to have one, that's their right

 

[e.l.lofthouse]

Yep! Even now in the back of my mind I can hear the call buzzer or a cardiac alarm going off. It becomes natural instinct to be aware and go to the source especially if its prolonged you know no one is attending so you go to see for yourself

When I had my eldest, I had a cord prolapse and he wasn't breathing at first. My partner said an alarm went off and loads of people rushed in. I was asleep due to the need for a speedy cesarean but he said loads came into the theater

 

[Lucyxxxx]

Think Baby E is looking very shaky from what we've heard so far. Definitely room for doubt.

 

[MrsJones83]

Ah okay forgot I'd asked that. So can't the hospital/ police not say there should be one if it aids the investigation?

I’m guessing at the time it was thought to be natural causes, no reason to push for it.

The investigation started after. And I’m guessing by then that the parents would have been free to have the child cremated.

 

[Girl In The Corner]

I would like to know if she fussed around the parents after the babies had suddenly become seriously ill or passed away.

Did she hop into action and a play kind of angelic nurse role with the families, helping them through their trauma and grief “we couldn’t of coped without you Lucy” kind of thing. Was she doing that and getting a kick out of the feeling she got from it possibly?

Or did she distance herself from them completely.

 

[LaBlonde]

See if a grown able bodied man had the cheek to approach me asking for help with something not a chance would I help lol. Glad I'm a right witch lol.

iirc he used to wear an arm cast or have a crutch, so would basically pretend to not be able bodied and that he needed to carry some shopping etc back to his car.

fully agree with the rest of your comment though, it wouldn’t have worked with me

 

[TwooTwooTwitTwitTwoo]

Sorry but them declining is irrelevant to my point, I just mean that the fact there wasn't one means that the doctors point doesn't make sense or bold basis. Because the doctor cannot say for sure what caused it without one.

She can give opinion if she's classed as an Expert Witness. However, expert witnesses also have to address alternatives that can't be ruled out.

 

[Blonde_moment]

I’m not saying it’s morally or professionally right. Im
Just saying that if you’ve got a social media account that’s open for anyone to look at then people can and will look at it. You don’t want them to have that kind of access? Then make it private. It’s not difficult.

I don’t think a parent who has lost a child would even consider that a nurse from the hospital would be looking at their social media accounts to be honest.

Has it even been confirmed that the accounts she was looking at were public? She might have been searching them up and just looking at their profile picture etc and their accounts could have been private. You can still see limited details, depending on privacy settings.

 

[Stiltoncheese]

She can give opinion if she's classed as an Expert Witness. However, expert witnesses also have to address alternatives that can't be ruled out.

Presumably the defence will have their own expert witness who will discredit the other ones view and offer their own view instead. Then it just falls to jury as to which one is more believable.

 

[countrybumpkin92]

With this Facebook talk, I can’t see any instances where Facebook searching a victim’s families makes her more likely to be a murderer. I think it’s a weak prosecution argument using the fact she was looking them up to indicate anything more sinister (its a basic slippery slope argument fallacy). Searching for specifics on how to carry something out etc. is another matter.

I’m not saying she is innocent, I’m just saying it’s a type of argument that the prosecution will use but has no actual ramifications on making her more or less likely to murder.

 

[Leethechimpanzee]

I’ve been following this case from the beginning and like others in absolute belief that anyone could hurt defensive little babies, let alone a young women. It really does go against every maternal instinct.

I went into it thinking there is no way shecould be guilty but even after just a day and a half feel the evidence is very incriminating.

From a behavioural point of view (profiling and background always interests me) if she is guilty, why?

Did someone mention she was adopted?

I would be interested to know what kind of adoption this was, did she have contact with her birth mother, if so when did this happen, could it have been a catalyst? Does she hoard resentment towards happy families and more specifically families that have just had new born babies and are going through the process of bonding and going home as a new family…something she never had.

From another angle, for quite an attractive women, in all the pictures publicised she does look quite awkward, I think the way she dresses, her stance, even her hair and makeup is just off for more than a better word. Is she someone that is always in the background, trying to fit in and never quite managing, “Lucy will cover a shift for you she’s got nothing else going on” “Get Lucy out she always gets a couple of rounds in”

With no close friend of partner I wonder if Lucy just got fed up of always been known for being a bit of a mug?!

Anyway just musings for the afternoon but looking forward to following this with you fellow Tattlers for the duration.