Yeah it probably is more likely than insulin in a TPN, but happening to the same baby three times?My son was in nicu so I owe his life to the staff they were great in my experience interestingly I actually spent a week sleeping in the NICU in the family room with my partner so I can appreciate the measures that are taken but it’s well established that the care in this hospital was below par to say the least, over feeding imo has to be more likely than say accidental insulin over dose
I hope your son is doing well now.My son was in nicu so I owe his life to the staff they were great in my experience interestingly I actually spent a week sleeping in the NICU in the family room with my partner so I can appreciate the measures that are taken but it’s well established that the care in this hospital was below par to say the least, over feeding imo has to be more likely than say accidental insulin over dose
That’s your interpretation, I personally found I did hear evidence of her involvement, and we will continue to do so tomorrow. Not everyone sees the same, so I appreciate that you’re not seeing what I am, but I think there’s been plenty of posts on thread tonight from other posters, that most certainly do feel they’ve heard evidence of LL’s involvement with G alreadyI'm with you 100%. What was very notable today was there was lots of detail about the incident and absolutely no evidence of her involvement.
This is starting to be almost a carbon copy of the Lucia de Berk case, and we all know what happened there
We haven’t really got to the ins and outs of the evidence yet though. We’ve just heard the sequence of events and the parents statements.I'm with you 100%. What was very notable today was there was lots of detail about the incident and absolutely no evidence of her involvement.
This is starting to be almost a carbon copy of the Lucia de Berk case, and we all know what happened there
I only know what I don’t think happened, i don’t think she tried to kill this child with milk, I’m not sure why it would have to be her mistake either. It’s clearly a poor quality hospital, there’s many examples of terrible practice already, I don’t think using the same seemingly inefficient method 3 times when you’ve killed babies before and know what you’re doing makes sense. By all means try the method but once it failed surely on the 2nd and 3rd time you’d expect her to use her tried and trusted method no?So do you think she made this same mistake 3 times? There are 3 attempted murder charges for this baby. All overfeeding and air.
What evidence did you hear?That’s your interpretation, I personally found I did hear evidence of her involvement, and we will continue to do so tomorrow. Not everyone sees the same, so I appreciate that you’re not seeing what I am, but I think there’s been plenty of posts on thread tonight from other posters, that most certainly do feel they’ve heard evidence of LL’s involvement with G already
IndeedWe haven’t really got to the ins and outs of the evidence yet though. We’ve just heard the sequence of events and the parents statements.
Seems to me she’s trying to make it appear that Baby G has a digestion and vomiting problem. That could be why she persists.I only know what I don’t think happened, i don’t think she tried to kill this child with milk, I’m not sure why it would have to be her mistake either. It’s clearly a poor quality hospital, there’s many examples of terrible practice already, I don’t think using the same seemingly inefficient method 3 times when you’ve killed babies before and know what you’re doing makes sense. By all means try the method but once it failed surely on the 2nd and 3rd time you’d expect her to use her tried and trusted method no?
The prosecution haven’t even proven the baby was over fed yet, there’s still plenty to learn with regard to child gYeah it probably is more likely than insulin in a TPN, but happening to the same baby three times?
Quoting myself to apologise for my spelling that made my post nearly unreadable 🤦It's also important to remember that she was highly trained, qualified and experienced nurse. She was some trainee who didn't know her knee from her elbow.
She wouldn't be making those "mistakes".
I see a lot of “she loved the drama and being the hero” form ample people on here but I don’t think it’s consistent with SK, they know not to stand out, whether it’s for a good reason or not and drama doesn’t satisfy them like killing does as a general rule. This is why you normally see escalation, they need to do worse things in order to satisfy there urges. Interestingly this case is in reverse when you look at the charges. And serial killers don’t get less efficient it’s just not what happens. It’s like anything you play enough poker you’re going to get better at it,Seems to me she’s trying to make it appear that Baby G has a digestion and vomiting problem. That could be why she persists.
I don’t understand why you think she’d ‘get better’ at murder. She’s trying different MOs. She increased the insulin dose for the 2nd murder attempt.
Who says she always has to kill? She’s still getting the excitement and drama from severely harming them, possibly the sick satisfaction of causing permanent brain damage. Sick fuck.
You can’t just say SK do x and y so LL must do the same, because it suits your narrative.I see a lot of “she loved the drama and being the hero” form ample people on here but I don’t think it’s consistent with SK, they know not to stand out, whether it’s for a good reason or not and drama doesn’t satisfy them like killing does as a general rule. This is why you normally see escalation, they need to do worse things in order to satisfy there urges. Interestingly this case is in reverse when you look at the charges. And serial killers don’t get less efficient it’s just not what happens. It’s like anything you play enough poker you’re going to get better at it,
I just assumed she was purposely trying to harm but not kill on most first or second attempts (especially when she realised people were maybe getting suspicious), but gradually leading up to the (alleged) murders so it wouldn't be such a shock and be less suspicious when the poor baby eventually died. Then it just looks like "well they had loads of problems beforehand, it was pretty obvious this might happen, they collapsed before, nothing suss about it..." rather than just killing a healthy baby right off the bat which would have people scratching their heads why this would suddenly happen. She's sowing the seeds that these babies could go at any time, she knows exactly what she's doing imo each attempt/murder. But then I'm not so up on the details as others and obviously some babies survived and left the hospital, but was that because LL couldn't get access to do her planned final attack on them? Sorry if this is super obvious or already been mentioned loads! I do miss things as I skip the medical details if I can (heart-breaking) and I can't keep up with the sheer number of attempts there were or on what babies so I could be completely wrong.Seems to me she’s trying to make it appear that Baby G has a digestion and vomiting problem. That could be why she persists.
I don’t understand why you think she’d ‘get better’ at murder. She’s trying different MOs. She increased the insulin dose for the 2nd murder attempt.
Who says she always has to kill? She’s still getting the excitement and drama from severely harming them, possibly the sick satisfaction of causing permanent brain damage. Sick fuck.
I've been lurking and staying away, I got far too invested and upset, but THIS has drawn me back in.It’s like a spoiled child wanting to ruin another child’s birthday party. Even though they’ve been invited.
Unfortunately, she ruined this wee tiny tot’s whole life. So sad
sorry air embolus was my wording (to summarise what the alleged attack was). We discussed on a very early thread the difference between air embolus and bolus of air which I had not understood were different. I thought I had corrected it all but missed this bit so I’ll correct it now. Apologies for the confusion!Those were the charges read out by the prosecution in the opening statement.
Air embolus was their wording, not mine.
Yes. They said it can’t be right due to medical records. I think it could be another example of LL giving herself an alibi in others medical notes.I think I understand what @slingo16 is trying to say - the pros haven’t laid out specifically what they think has happened. We don’t even know where LL was physically when the child vomited.
(Although, isn’t this the baby that the other nurse said she was sitting with LL when the vomiting happened, but the prosecution have said that her account can’t be relied on?)
yes they are saying medical records show that nurse must be mistaken with her timings. They will need to go over this.I think I understand what @slingo16 is trying to say - the pros haven’t laid out specifically what they think has happened. We don’t even know where LL was physically when the child vomited.
(Although, isn’t this the baby that the other nurse said she was sitting with LL when the vomiting happened, but the prosecution have said that her account can’t be relied on?)
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