I think the prosecution set their case up weakly. Their opening statement wasn't exactly what was expected. I imagine if it continues like this their closing statement will seal it though
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I agree with you on this.
For me there's a long road ahead and alot more evidence to go before I start declaring guilty atm
I would doubt him being embarrassed just on the basis that he’s since asked for his other offences (the indecent exposure ones) to be heard in a crown court with a jury etc. I don’t think he’s got any shame, think he was trying to get a lighter sentence by pleading guilty to her murder.
Beverly Allit stopped eating and started trying to commit suicide to go to Rampton. If guilty I can see LL doing the same. Rampton you would have your own room , access to computer suite etc after a while. If someone's facing life they are going to want to go there as opposed to Styal.
Personally I didn’t think that the expert testimony would be so certain. I thought it would be more along the lines of ‘death was likely caused by an air embolism, but other causes cannot be 100% ruled out’, rather than like they have today just saying that yes it was an air embolism. Hope that makes sense!
Given that LL was obsessed over her work life, picked up so many extra shifts, invested in checking up on babies and their parents outside of working hours its astounding to me that she didn’t have any concerns about these deaths and collapses. As far as we know she never raised any alarms about what was going on.. You would think if she was innocent she would be the first person to pick up on them being suspicious. A nurse who goes out of her way to track parents but doesn’t pick up on this is strange. I’d even say that she tried to defuse the other nurses concerns when she said in a text that they weren’t odd due to them having different causes even though the causes of death were unknown at that point.
no, i knew (assumed?) that there’d be expert witnesses and was on the fence before today and now heavily leaning towards guilty, i wanted to hear from the medical experts before making my mind up as i have zero medical training or knowledge. i imagine for many (including myself) the expert’s testimonies have been so compelling that it’s made us more satisfied that she’s guilty. so tragic
hearing about that poor poor mum of baby A crying in the public gallery is absolutely harrowing
I mentioned the drama thing last week and I haven't changed my stance on that. I think she liked the drama of it, but that doesn't mean she wasn't playing a game with them all...a bad run of fatal/near fatal collapses would hardly viewed as heroic.
And if she is guilty, she would be pure evil in my opinion.
Ohh I didn’t know that. I feel like I’m trying to understand people that I clearly don’t understand at all
Yes I haven’t looked into that case in too much detail I just remember, Christmas Day and it ruined Jeffries life being accused. And I’m not sure about the confession regarding the killer. Did he have multiple victims or was it just Joanna?
I have adhd and am terrible at processing information so can someone please help.
What evidence is there for an air embolism? Just expert opinion? What did baby A's post mortem show exactly?
Thank you
What evidence is there for an air embolism? Just expert opinion? What did baby A's post mortem show exactly?
Thank you
Sorry just jumping in so apologies if this has already been discussed, but my thoughts after today, could it be that she was making babies sick on purpose so that she could save them to get the attention etc I’m sure there’s a name for something like that, So that in her head because she didn’t want them to die she thinks she’s not guilty? I’m just so confused with the non guilty plea
I agree, she is evil if she is guilty of this. What I mean to say is I don't think that even she recognised this, I feel it was a pathological need for the drama and the heroism, although poorly executed at times, and I think maybe she became addicted to the drama, the adrenaline and the attention she garnered from it, texting colleagues, friends outside of work etc. Maybe to have stories to tell. I just think it swung out of control. U can see that with her rambling note too I think.
I’m intrigued to see how those text conversations with colleagues were further down the line.
After Baby D I believe she said to them she needed time off to deal with it which comes across as her massively attention seeking and making it about her. Possibly a bid to keep up the ‘Are you OK Lucy?’ need for attention.
After Baby D I believe she said to them she needed time off to deal with it which comes across as her massively attention seeking and making it about her. Possibly a bid to keep up the ‘Are you OK Lucy?’ need for attention.
I’m one of those people who was uncertain whether innocent or not and am now swaying towards guilty. No that certainly wasn’t my assumption, for me it was obvious there would be people talking through the evidence but I wanted to hear the detail of the evidence explained before saying or assuming she’s guilty just from an opening statement or a headline. I wanted to hear the facts surrounding the case. I feel what I heard today confirms that baby As death was deliberate.
I honestly don't know what she would do if she was convicted, would certainly make her life more comfortable.
If she is guilty, do I think she deserves that.... absolutely not.
I am not at the she's guilty point yet.
But today's news coverage of the parents seriously broke my heart.
I can't even imagine absolute devastation they must be going through.
Not to say you’re wrong just to look at it differently, I think that drama would maybe attract to much attention. If you don’t want to get caught, you don’t want to particularly stick out even if it’s for a good reason I think she’d have realised that,
For me I think she has a desire to please people she sees as superior to her. (Seems to be the first option when it comes to over time even at extremely short notice). But it’s difficult to get a picture of who she is without knowing alot more about her imo
I suppose in my interpretation, drama is less about attracting attention to her, but her existing within the drama, being a part of it, and having the stories to tell, the discussions with colleagues, maybe something to tell friends outside of the profession. To make it more like what u see on TV. She herself said she didn't like doing the mundane basic tasks.
As you say at the beginning there it’s open to interpretation, I see the not being interested in mundane tasks points again to wanting to please, she wants to show people she’s capable of difficult tasks,
Unrelated but if she is guilty I’m sure they’ll also be some twin related trauma in her life. Maybe she miscarried twins or an ex boyfriend went on to have twins with another women,
It’s been emotional for a lot of people today, I can see why people have maybe got a little carried away especially given the anticipation of this and lack of response so far but I suspect we may see some people climbing back up onto the fence at some point.
But it's this rambling note that makes me wonder whether it's a game. Don't get me wrong, it's just a passing thought that popped into my head and I'm not dead set on this opinion.
Because quite frankly, a person who kills innocent premature babies (and I'm not saying LL has) is capable of anything evil.
The existence of this note, which I have been very open minded about. The mixed messages that confused this very thread, whether it was one of anguish or confession. Thinking outside the box, it could be neither. It could just be a note written with a purpose.
I'm not saying she was like a villain with a master plan, far from it, what I am saying is that some element of her wanted to 'confuse' people..
I know I'm not wrong because I'm doing the same as everyone else on here
but you've not understood my original post or seen it. Drama wasn't initially mentioned in my post. I was just saying that perhaps it was like a bit of a game to her.But you are right, nobody knows her, so any theory at this point is speculative.
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