Sorry that’s my mistake, of course she won’t. I guess she is lying by proxy via the defence team, although she’s run her mouth so much via the media that we know the changing stories.
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...and if she does, she'll lie. Narcs do.
Jen telling Karen to shut up when she was frantically telling people she'd hit him - if she was the mastermind behind the conspiracy and had spent all evening plotting how to frame Karen don't you think she would have marched her to the nearest police officer and said "tell him what you just told me?" I mean that would have been an easy thing to do...there were enough police there.
Court Tv shows Vinnie Politan recreating the drive from Fairview to Meadows and later, going up and down flight's of stairs vs driving to Fairview to see what Apple health records......very interesting. I've also watched people try and reverse on Fairview for 60 feet at 24mph and it's not possible
Why believe scientific black box data when we have tik tokkers who say otherwise. I hope the defence calls them.
Vinnie Politan is a prosecutor......and he said in theory, Karen could've hit John and made it back to Fairview in 5 minutes....So, I'm not sure why 1. You're calling him a TikTokker and 2. His theory backs yours...
Because you said people are trying to reverse outside Fairview at 24 mph and it can't be done.Vinnie Politan is a prosecutor......and he said in theory, Karen could've hit John and made it back to Fairview in 5 minutes....So, I'm not sure why 1. You're calling him a TikTokker and 2. His theory backs yours...
I'm assuming these people are tiktok idiots
I wasn't talking about Vinne Politan (I haven't watched him and don't know who he is). And absolutely agree that she could have made it back in the relevant time frame because she clearly did make it back in that time. There's no 'in theory' about it. There is evidence of her connecting to WiFi and evidence of when she left Fairview.
Kevin Lenihan is Yellow Cottage Tales / Anonymass Lawyer. He’s a bartender that was FKR until he got involved with Kate Peter / MassholeMafia. The woman who has had most of her kids taken off her and there’s a sworn affidavit about saying she’s involved with putting stuff out for the DA and Jen McCabe paid her off with a couch.
Kevin’s just flogging his book
Trooper Paul showed the odometer when he was conducting his testing and it was linked to key cycle 1164, which then means that key cycle 1162 happened while the car was in police custody - most likely while being reversed to be put onto the tow truck as the tyres were spinning during the 3 point turn in that video.
Dighton police officer and tow truck driver both said the tail light was cracked.
What I’d really like to know is what do people who think it’s a cover up/she’s innocent think *actually* happened?
We’ve seen lots of timelines of map data, eyewitnesses, phone data etc, but no timelines from anyone that can explain an alternative.
Let’s say Karen dropped John off and he went inside the house (her first story). The group at the Albert’s house would have had no knowledge where Karen went to after that.
How could they have known she wouldn’t come back 10 minutes later? How could they have known she wouldn’t perhaps have gone to a friends house, stayed there all night?
What would have been the *actual* plan, had what we see today not happened? Lay him on the lawn, half dead and what…? Just wait it out? They couldn’t have said he got hit by a plow, Lucky said he didn’t see anyone, and John’s body was too far away from the road to be hit by one.
How did they know to leave John’s phone out in the cold to make sure the temperature reduced in the exact timeframe?
They couldn’t not have known that Karen’s car would be impounded to potentially plant pieces of taillight. They couldn’t have known she’d start screaming about hitting him. They couldn’t have known the car data would show a reverse impact at 24mph. And when the car *did* get impounded, how did they coordinate pieces being taken and dumped at the site, and embedded in John’s T-shirt? (Embedded, not just touched).
How did they get John’s DNA on the pieces of tail light? How did they access his body, with a piece of tail light, rub it in his wounds, with NO ONE knowing this? How did they coordinate this?
And this plan definitely couldn’t have been played out at 1am between a significant group of people.
So, in the absence of the stars aligning and just hanging them the gift of Karen, what do people who think she’s innocent actually think was the plan?
We’ve seen lots of timelines of map data, eyewitnesses, phone data etc, but no timelines from anyone that can explain an alternative.
Let’s say Karen dropped John off and he went inside the house (her first story). The group at the Albert’s house would have had no knowledge where Karen went to after that.
How could they have known she wouldn’t come back 10 minutes later? How could they have known she wouldn’t perhaps have gone to a friends house, stayed there all night?
What would have been the *actual* plan, had what we see today not happened? Lay him on the lawn, half dead and what…? Just wait it out? They couldn’t have said he got hit by a plow, Lucky said he didn’t see anyone, and John’s body was too far away from the road to be hit by one.
How did they know to leave John’s phone out in the cold to make sure the temperature reduced in the exact timeframe?
They couldn’t not have known that Karen’s car would be impounded to potentially plant pieces of taillight. They couldn’t have known she’d start screaming about hitting him. They couldn’t have known the car data would show a reverse impact at 24mph. And when the car *did* get impounded, how did they coordinate pieces being taken and dumped at the site, and embedded in John’s T-shirt? (Embedded, not just touched).
How did they get John’s DNA on the pieces of tail light? How did they access his body, with a piece of tail light, rub it in his wounds, with NO ONE knowing this? How did they coordinate this?
And this plan definitely couldn’t have been played out at 1am between a significant group of people.
So, in the absence of the stars aligning and just hanging them the gift of Karen, what do people who think she’s innocent actually think was the plan?
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I find these kind of answers really illogical. Does his background matter? What he’s saying makes complete sense.Kevin Lenihan is Yellow Cottage Tales / Anonymass Lawyer. He’s a bartender that was FKR until he got involved with Kate Peter / MassholeMafia. The woman who has had most of her kids taken off her and there’s a sworn affidavit about saying she’s involved with putting stuff out for the DA and Jen McCabe paid her off with a couch.
Kevin’s just flogging his book
If we’re going into backgrounds or past, why did Karen’s initial defence lawyer post and speak publicly about the fact his client had been involved in a terrible accident and had no intent to harm John? Why did Karen phone her father at 1.30am that night? Why did she say to him ‘Johns dead, what’s the plan?’
Why did her defence completely change when AJ become involved? AJ saw a money making opportunity and grabbed it with both hands. Horses for courses.
Put simply, it doesn't matter. You're burden shifting. The defence doesn't have to prove anything. The prosecution have to prove what happened beyond all reasonable doubt
Haha I just knew that would be the response. Good one. It’s a good job we’re not the prosecution and the defence then. I’m simply asking what other people believe may have happened, if the possibility of Karen hitting John is so beyond reasonable belief.
I’m not asking about the law, but purely your/other peoples view.
It’s not enough to say ‘I don’t think she did it’, but have no other alternative to what you think happened. He didn’t put himself there. So if you don’t think she did it, you must have an alternative suspicion?
You do know that cops and other first responders work mostly on ‘common sense’ don’t you? It’s literally an instinct and is honed via years of professional experience.
I have no dislike for Karen particularly. I don’t know her. I know what she’s shown of herself via her numerous media interviews doesn’t come across particularly appealing. And I haven’t seen any friends give any supporting statements
pointing out sometimes female white privilege isn’t hating on them 
What has white privilege got to do with it ?
It is 100% a cover up, there is no way Karen would be doing all them interviews and saying everything she said if she was guilty.
Obviously none of us know what actually happened but in my opinion I think John went into the house, maybe confronted Higgins over his texts to Karen, John got a punch and fell back and banged his head....the end!
He was then placed on the front lawn at some stage and the plan of "he never came into the house was born", they also had about 4/5 hours before he was found to get rid of any evidence etc.
The 2 Brian's are cops they know exactly what to do to cover this up. Then you have all the butt dials, the dog, Higgins going back to the station, Jen McCabe's craziness, Ally McCabe driving Colin around and lying about it. The FBI and the lying to the FBI. No one in the house seeing a body on the lawn when they were leaving. The ME stating that there was no impact site compatible with a motor accident.
2.27 Hos long to die in cold.....
I'm sure there is lots more I can't think, happy trial day 18 !
It is 100% a cover up, there is no way Karen would be doing all them interviews and saying everything she said if she was guilty.
Obviously none of us know what actually happened but in my opinion I think John went into the house, maybe confronted Higgins over his texts to Karen, John got a punch and fell back and banged his head....the end!
He was then placed on the front lawn at some stage and the plan of "he never came into the house was born", they also had about 4/5 hours before he was found to get rid of any evidence etc.
The 2 Brian's are cops they know exactly what to do to cover this up. Then you have all the butt dials, the dog, Higgins going back to the station, Jen McCabe's craziness, Ally McCabe driving Colin around and lying about it. The FBI and the lying to the FBI. No one in the house seeing a body on the lawn when they were leaving. The ME stating that there was no impact site compatible with a motor accident.
2.27 Hos long to die in cold.....
I'm sure there is lots more I can't think, happy trial day 18 !
Karen Read knows what actually happened.What has white privilege got to do with it ?
It is 100% a cover up, there is no way Karen would be doing all them interviews and saying everything she said if she was guilty.
Obviously none of us know what actually happened but in my opinion I think John went into the house, maybe confronted Higgins over his texts to Karen, John got a punch and fell back and banged his head....the end!
He was then placed on the front lawn at some stage and the plan of "he never came into the house was born", they also had about 4/5 hours before he was found to get rid of any evidence etc.
The 2 Brian's are cops they know exactly what to do to cover this up. Then you have all the butt dials, the dog, Higgins going back to the station, Jen McCabe's craziness, Ally McCabe driving Colin around and lying about it. The FBI and the lying to the FBI. No one in the house seeing a body on the lawn when they were leaving. The ME stating that there was no impact site compatible with a motor accident.
2.27 Hos long to die in cold.....
I'm sure there is lots more I can't think, happy trial day 18 !
I think space aliens came down and killed him. Or Elvis riding Shergar.
The dog did it. The only dog in the world that is able to kill a man and leave no dog DNA on his sweatshirt.
Why would she be giving all these interviews if she was guilty? Because if she can influence a jury pool and put forward her bull defence without having to take the stand she might get off. She only needs one juror to buy her crap. And 70 million people voted for Trump so Americans are open to bull.
Not having to spend the rest of your life in prison ....that's a pretty good reason.....
She totally did it whether intentionally or not I don't know but because she's a narc she'll never admit it. Even her defense know.
There’s no way she’d be doing those interviews? Really? Plenty of people guilty of crimes they’ve committed have done interviews publicly. That’s a strange conclusion to make and I’m not entirely convinced your post isn’t satireWhat has white privilege got to do with it ?
It is 100% a cover up, there is no way Karen would be doing all them interviews and saying everything she said if she was guilty.
Obviously none of us know what actually happened but in my opinion I think John went into the house, maybe confronted Higgins over his texts to Karen, John got a punch and fell back and banged his head....the end!
He was then placed on the front lawn at some stage and the plan of "he never came into the house was born", they also had about 4/5 hours before he was found to get rid of any evidence etc.
The 2 Brian's are cops they know exactly what to do to cover this up. Then you have all the butt dials, the dog, Higgins going back to the station, Jen McCabe's craziness, Ally McCabe driving Colin around and lying about it. The FBI and the lying to the FBI. No one in the house seeing a body on the lawn when they were leaving. The ME stating that there was no impact site compatible with a motor accident.
2.27 Hos long to die in cold.....
I'm sure there is lots more I can't think, happy trial day 18 !
If Karen Read had left him ‘going into the house’ (as per her first story), and was genuinely innocent, the police absolutely would have had probable cause to go in and search the house, the cops would have known this.
An alternative timeline hasn’t been produced thus far that can tie everything in to make a cover up theory make logistical sense.
Like I said in my opinion shes innocent and its a cover up. All we can do is wait and see.
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