Jeffrey Epstein

[GingerJones50]

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I’m pretty sure that’s fake. The Democrats and the anti-Trump section of the media would

Have any other women apart from sadly deceased Giuffre given statements against him?

A woman gave a statement to the FBI. It was very far fetched but isn’t everything in this case? She said she’d been trafficked to a pweirdo party in Virginia Water and then afterwards she was run over by Andrew in a blue car sustaining serious injuries. Surrey police said this has never been reported to them.

None of the other known victims has said anything about Andrew.

 

[MrsSlocombe]

Okay, so please don't slam me for voicing this. Andrew absolutely should be held accountable for the things that he has done, but it annoys me a bit when Virginia Guiffre's family makes statements in support of whatever is happening yet again. Virginia very clearly stated in her book that her father sexually abused and grape her and then he trafficked her to one of his friends. Is the father now doing jail time? Is the father's friend? I think that every single person who used and abused her should be held accountable for their actions - including Andrew - however he is also bit of an easy target whereas a lot of other people will get away with it.

 

[dressinggownofdoom]

He's been released. I would have thought he's a flight risk, but what do I know.

Very high ‘suicide’ risk and by the looks of him he knows it!

 

[Prince fan 1999]

I don't think he's a suicide risk. He's a narcissist and still doesn't think he's done anything wrong.

 

[unicornshowers]

Yeah but he doesn’t get to decided if he is “suicided” or not! Just like many others in this case

 

[Veronicaaa]

Car crash / riding accident risk, I'd say.

Okay, so please don't slam me for voicing this. Andrew absolutely should be held accountable for the things that he has done, but it annoys me a bit when Virginia Guiffre's family makes statements in support of whatever is happening yet again.

I think it's just her brother and his wife who makes the statements? They seem to have been extremely supportive to her both before and after her death and I wouldn't be surprised if she had made some sort of ask of them (in a note or in person) that if anything was to happen to her, they would continue her fight.

 

[rock.chick93]

What will happen if he is 'unalived'. Now he is essentially a commoner (although technically still an HRH, just not allowed to use that title) will he have a commoner funeral? Buried in the Royal plot?

 

[Veronicaaa]

Les Wexner's deposition

 

[Happy Alpaca]

I think this person may have already been mentioned.....Jean Luc Brunel......he died in 2022

@Pink Squirrel spotted this article

 

[Dotty Merton]

A woman gave a statement to the FBI. It was very far fetched but isn’t everything in this case? She said she’d been trafficked to a pweirdo party in Virginia Water and then afterwards she was run over by Andrew in a blue car sustaining serious injuries. Surrey police said this has never been reported to them.

None of the other known victims has said anything about Andrew.

Link to girls statement, 'far fetched', we cannae be trusting the yanks to check out this stuff and must do our own policing and investigating and bring our abusers, royal or commoner, to judgement. https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 8/EFTA00020457.pdf

I would also like to know if survivors Maria Farmer and her little sister met Andrew because Maria has painted him in her map of abusers and saints. Maria was one of the first to report Epstein but has been highly vilified. We should give her and her sisters story some attention.

Maria has been dealing with a brain tumour I believe hence we dont hear so much from her press wise lately. Maria - 'She came to media attention in 2019 when she claimed that in 1996, at the age of 26, she provided the first criminal complaint to the New York City Police Department and to the FBI, about the conduct of financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.'

Who can you see in this?

Maria Farmer

www.mariafarmerart.com

Maria Farmer - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Veronicaaa]

Link to girls statement, 'far fetched', we cannae be trusting the yanks to check out this stuff and must do our own policing and investigating and bring our abusers, royal or commoner, to judgement. https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 8/EFTA00020457.pdf

I would also like to know if survivors Maria Farmer and her little sister met Andrew because Maria has painted him in her map of abusers and saints. Maria was one of the first to report Epstein but has been highly vilified. We should give her and her sisters story some attention.

Maria has been dealing with a brain tumour I believe hence we dont hear so much from her press wise lately. Maria - 'She came to media attention in 2019 when she claimed that in 1996, at the age of 26, she provided the first criminal complaint to the New York City Police Department and to the FBI, about the conduct of financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.'

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Maria Farmer

www.mariafarmerart.com

Maria Farmer - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Her sister was doing interviews yesterday. "Our version of royalty is the billionaire class".

 

[Dotty Merton]

Her sister was doing interviews yesterday. "Our version of royalty is the billionaire class".

Good on you Annie! Annie reminds us that Maria's driving licence had Wexner's address.

For those that dont know, Maria is an artist and I believe the painter of many of the works that Epstein kept. My post before you can find the link to her website but it doesnt feature the work I am talking about, lemme see if I can find it, did she paint clinton in blow job ladies dress and bush junior with the 9/11 aeroplanes too? I know she did portraits of many of the survivors inc Virginia Giuffre. Anyhooo, will find some in a bit.

 

[Doctor_Wibble]

Her sister was doing interviews yesterday. "Our version of royalty is the billionaire class".

To an extent, though the royalty continues only with our permission (for those unfamiliar, it's an option permanently part of that heap of scrolls and parchments that make up our constitution) which IIRC is still or based on, the original deal struck after we realised we were really tit at being a republic.

As the modern counter-example, I think perhaps in the not too distant future we can look forward to the US returning to being a republic once they realise that having a king really isn't what they wanted after all.

 

[Veronicaaa]

we realised we were really tit at being a republic.

Probably because we swapped our version of royalty with the USA's - ie there was still an elite in charge.

 

[Debra_Whinger]

Okay, so please don't slam me for voicing this. Andrew absolutely should be held accountable for the things that he has done, but it annoys me a bit when Virginia Guiffre's family makes statements in support of whatever is happening yet again. Virginia very clearly stated in her book that her father sexually abused and grape her and then he trafficked her to one of his friends. Is the father now doing jail time? Is the father's friend? I think that every single person who used and abused her should be held accountable for their actions - including Andrew - however he is also bit of an easy target whereas a lot of other people will get away with it.

It bothers me too. Not to mention the fact her father worked for Trump at Mar-a-Lago and got her a job there. I don't get why she went back to living with her dad after all she had been through but I don't know the psychological mechanisms that are involved when someone has been abused since childhood.

By the way, does anyone remember a 1990s Dutch supermodel called Karen Mulder? I see her pop up on social media frequently now. I don't know if there's a connection with Epstein but she was the first to speak about being abused by the rich and powerful only to be locked up in a mental asylum. Even her father claimed she was crazy because of drugs. She later apologised Prince Albert of Monaco (and several other men) for accusing him of grape (they had been dating apparently) but her life has not been the same since a French TV interview where she outed her abusers. Her bit was cut off and the host of the show said she had "paranoid delirium". And then someone arranged for her to be committed and her sister escorted her there. She got out after a few months but attempted to end her life later. I wonder how she is doing right now.

 

[Dotty Merton]

It bothers me too. Not to mention the fact her father worked for Trump at Mar-a-Lago and got her a job there. I don't get why she went back to living with her dad after all she had been through but I don't know the psychological mechanisms that are involved when someone has been abused since childhood.

By the way, does anyone remember a 1990s Dutch supermodel called Karen Mulder? I see her pop up on social media frequently now. I don't know if there's a connection with Epstein but she was the first to speak about being abused by the rich and powerful only to be locked up in a mental asylum. Even her father claimed she was crazy because of drugs. She later apologised Prince Albert of Monaco (and several other men) for accusing him of grape (they had been dating apparently) but her life has not been the same since a French TV interview where she outed her abusers. Her bit was cut off and the host of the show said she had "paranoid delirium". And then someone arranged for her to be committed and her sister escorted her there. She got out after a few months but attempted to end her life later. I wonder how she is doing right now.

Karen Mulder's story is really important in light of how the guys used young innocent beauties in fashion and the beauty pageant scenes.

 

[Happy Alpaca]

It bothers me too. Not to mention the fact her father worked for Trump at Mar-a-Lago and got her a job there. I don't get why she went back to living with her dad after all she had been through but I don't know the psychological mechanisms that are involved when someone has been abused since childhood.

By the way, does anyone remember a 1990s Dutch supermodel called Karen Mulder? I see her pop up on social media frequently now. I don't know if there's a connection with Epstein but she was the first to speak about being abused by the rich and powerful only to be locked up in a mental asylum. Even her father claimed she was crazy because of drugs. She later apologised Prince Albert of Monaco (and several other men) for accusing him of grape (they had been dating apparently) but her life has not been the same since a French TV interview where she outed her abusers. Her bit was cut off and the host of the show said she had "paranoid delirium". And then someone arranged for her to be committed and her sister escorted her there. She got out after a few months but attempted to end her life later. I wonder how she is doing right now.

Without getting too deep into it, victims of abuse often do go back to their abuser for lots of reasons. With a parent, there is often deep hope that they will have changed, mixed in with gaslighting, trauma bonding....etc. They will still have that baby like instinct of needing their parents to be safe, even if the facts present otherwise.

Also a victim may be told that life outside of the abusive relationship will be much worse, so they may think that it is better to stay in the abusive relationship they know, rather than risking a more abusive situation. It's not until they get free that they realise, not everywhere is abusive, but the manipulation and control has messed with their minds. That's obviously just a brief response, it is very complex.

 

[Dotty Merton]

Without getting too deep into it, victims of abuse often do go back to their abuser for lots of reasons. With a parent, there is often deep hope that they will have changed, mixed in with gaslighting, trauma bonding....etc. They will still have that baby like instinct of needing their parents to be safe, even if the facts present otherwise.

Also a victim may be told that life outside of the abusive relationship will be much worse, so they may think that it is better to stay in the abusive relationship they know, rather than risking a more abusive situation. It's not until they get free that they realise, not everywhere is abusive, but the manipulation and control has messed with their minds. That's obviously just a brief response, it is very complex.

poor Virgina, she never got away from it did she, her husband and the domestic violence..... stockholm syndrome?

 

[Panstickpinkie]

I haven’t read her book yet but does she mention her mum at all?

 

[Veronicaaa]

poor Virgina, she never got away from it did she, her husband and the domestic violence..... stockholm syndrome?

Stockholm syndrome has been debunked, interestingly enough -
Origin Myth: The term was coined by criminologist/psychiatrist Nils Bejerot, who advised police during the 1973 Norrmalmstorg bank robbery in Stockholm. Critically, Bejerot never actually interviewed the hostage (Kristin Enmark) whose behavior he was describing, and who later revealed her actions were a rational survival strategy, not emotional attachment.

Not a psychologist, but I think being abused in childhood can affect your self esteem, self worth, and ability to receive love, and that damaging cycles can be repeated over your lifetime.