Trafficking from Natal, Brazil
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He starts within the community he grows up in. Was likely groomed for it. Closed jewish community Sea Gate neighborhood of Coney Island, Brooklyn. NY. Bill Barr employs him. One of the files a woman says she remembers JE as one of her teachers, he was overweight and scruffy. Then one day one of her mates shows her the local rudie mag, and theres a pic of him in there getting a bj. She says they'd found the mag and were looking at it in class and he saw them, asked them to keep schtum. Next time she sees him he's lost weight, looking buff and well off.
Is she saying Epstein and Tiger Kind were giving each other blowies?
Does anyone know of any reasonably normal podcasts exploring this? I need someone to make some sense of this for me and explain who's who and all the links. And what's far fetched and what's well evidenced... it's way too overwhelming and tbh insane for me to look into alone 
I just saw this .....
Like others have said, there's so much info, too much to look at. This document is from 10 years ago..... so I assume it has been looked into ...
What are we supposed to do, when it's already been investigated.....
It is heartbreaking. I wonder if they hope more people will come forward, yet they've already shown how these things have been covered up for years and many victims have potentially been threatened... and some have then dissappeared etc
People in authority need to take action, but the problem is, it's people in authority that have potentially committed crimes....
It's hard to see a way forward....
Like others have said, there's so much info, too much to look at. This document is from 10 years ago..... so I assume it has been looked into ...
What are we supposed to do, when it's already been investigated.....
It is heartbreaking. I wonder if they hope more people will come forward, yet they've already shown how these things have been covered up for years and many victims have potentially been threatened... and some have then dissappeared etc
People in authority need to take action, but the problem is, it's people in authority that have potentially committed crimes....
It's hard to see a way forward....
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Theres some stuff about a lass who went nuts on camera, I forget her name, hang on, mexican model Gabriella Rico Jimenez. Look it up. Then I read about Karen Mulder the model and what she said that was put down to her having a breakdown. Then I thought about Duffy. And I wondered if some famous women are ordered if you see what I mean. Links with Epstein/Copper field and Schiffer. I am of the mind that the top models know alot more than they are saying. One should speak out for all those poor girls/boys who thought they were going to become famous models and got trafficked. Bet it wont be Naomi though. (scuse spello's juggling stuff.)
People have not not let them bury it, imo. Keep talking about it, learning about it, trying to find out everyone who was involved. Anyone who's in a position of authority and you're curious about, google their name with Epstein's, see if there are any connections, and then shout it from the rooftops..
I think we need to wait a little. I know that a lot of data collectors are trying to put it all into some useable format. At the moment I am thinking of it all as two different things, one lot of it is tips (the stuff with yellow highlights) which some were considered not worth following up (by who ffs!) and the other stuff is evidence and communications that has been used in some of the jane doe's vs epstein cases. Some of the files are disappearing/being deleted by DOJ but the data hoarders are watching. Good on the geeksDoes anyone know of any reasonably normal podcasts exploring this? I need someone to make some sense of this for me and explain who's who and all the links. And what's far fetched and what's well evidenced... it's way too overwhelming and tbh insane for me to look into alone
Yep, keep talking, such good advice. I've been watching this story closely for about 18 years now. Lots of people wont have been aware such awfulness does occur on our wee green planet. A whole new generation are learning all of this. It's a lot to find out our rulers are evil. But you can bet your bottom dollar that over the next few weeks we will get some podcasts and youtube vids starting to make sense of it all. Call for the rest of the files to be released. They will be the worst. There are approx 3 million more hidden away.
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Thanks all, you are right. I just get so disheartened sometimes.I think we need to wait a little. I know that a lot of data collectors are trying to put it all into some useable format. At the moment I am thinking of it all as two different things, one lot of it is tips (the stuff with yellow highlights) which some were considered not worth following up (by who ffs!) and the other stuff is evidence and communications that has been used in some of the jane doe's vs epstein cases. Some of the files are disappearing/being deleted by DOJ but the data hoarders are watching. Good on the geeks
Yep, keep talking, such good advice. I've been watching this story closely for about 18 years now. Lots of people wont have been aware such awfulness does occur on our wee green planet. A whole new generation are learning all of this. It's a lot to find out our rulers are evil. But you can bet your bottom dollar that over the next few weeks we will get some podcasts and youtube vids starting to make sense of it all. Call for the rest of the files to be released. They will be the worst. There are approx 3 million more hidden away.
Without going into detail, I know there are very cruel people on this earth, and nothing surprises me any more. I've been part of groups that stand up for women's rights, and it feels so empowering, but at the same time I realise outside of those groups, lots of people seem to be unaware of the tragic things that happen in life and that are covered up. And many don't want to know, as it is too much for their brains to handle. So many people have unfortunately lived with trauma and so can acknowledge these things, but some people's brains don't have the capacity, as they then could become traumatised themselves. So I kinda understand that too.
I just saw this email which includes Richard Branson, who has an island near Epstein's. If Andrew MW has rightly been rejected by the public for maintaining a relationship with Epstein after his prison sentence in 2009, why aren't others being treated the same.....hopefully they will be in time.....
As you say, people are watching and collating info......hopefully it will get to a point where there's some serious consequences for certain people.....
I feel that some of the men allegedly involved are of a certain age, and it's often after perpetrators have died that victims feel able to speak out.....so it will happen at some point.....where there are less powerful people involved alive, and the balance will tip into the victims favour....
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Re. that email, it's probably safe to say that if any individual has that much money, they probably got it through nefarious means (insider trading, sharing secrets, connections to the shadiest of shady people, etc). I didn't mention it last night because I know it's *a lot* but Epstein's early connections suggest he may have made money through smuggling arms to Iran during the Iran-Contra affair https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/jeff...wexner-pottinger-leese-arms-weapons-smuggling
This email is no surprise...... Woody Allen
What I notice though, and I think someone commented before.....JE is always short and sharp, whereas the other person always seems to give a lot of detail and is gushing around him. They know he is in control and are buttering him up. A bit like in the Sarah F emails too.
Sorry if I've repeated anything that's already been said, I only found this thread recently, so I'll read back and catch up shortly
What I notice though, and I think someone commented before.....JE is always short and sharp, whereas the other person always seems to give a lot of detail and is gushing around him. They know he is in control and are buttering him up. A bit like in the Sarah F emails too.
Sorry if I've repeated anything that's already been said, I only found this thread recently, so I'll read back and catch up shortly
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Epstein did some dna tests for Woody and others, something about finding out how pure his dna heritage was.This email is no surprise...... Woody Allen
What I notice though, and I think someone commented before.....JE is always short and sharp, whereas the other person always seems to give a lot of detail and is gushing around him. They know he is in control and are buttering him up. A bit like in the Sarah F emails too.
Sorry if I've repeated anything that's already been said, I only found this thread recently, so I'll read back and catch up shortly
Soon Yi was in touch with him too, sometimes using Woody's email account. They made numerous dinner plans and seemed to spend quite a lot of time together.
I have questions for her. Was she providing girls too? How old was she when adopted? What agency?
Good non pay walled article in the times today that picks out some of the details https://www.thetimes.com/article/3c...c?shareToken=82e0a0bfd254836bb9aef3e2448c962b
I don't know but I always think of how terribly Mia Farrow suffered, and how everyone tried to cast her as some sort of crazy lady.
Yuck... I met her once when I was working at Pottery Barn, its a home goods/furniture store, she walked in with a stroller with her kid in it and came to my register to return some discounted candles and a throw, she barely said two words and wouldn't even look me or anyone else in the eye. I was like gezus, does someone beat this woman with a stick at home and here we are, her emails are trash. This whole time I actually fell sorry for her but now I'm seeing her in a different light, even if she was groomed it's still quite disturbing to read her words about this matter.
Can't help but worry for their 2 adopted children, too.
This would certainly fit with the angle that characterises him as having just suddenly appeared out of nowhere with a huge amount of unexplained money.
I am not sure why so many people are perplexed at where he got his money. He was a fraudster - and on a huge scale.
The dodgy insider dealing had gone on for decades, and never stopped. He probably made a fortune, thanks to Mandelson alone (think we will hear even more, on the inside information he was giving him).
I also, can’t imagine the amount of money that he must have been collecting, from blackmail alone. The email to Bill Gates (that was never sent, but left in drafts), was clearly compiled for blackmail purposes. No idea why it was left in drafts, perhaps Epstein realised it was dumb to send him threats by email.
It’s crazy to imagine a millionaire blackmailing BIll Gates, but it seems that is exactly what he was doing, or attempting to do. I suppose that is why these idiots put their trust in Epstein. A very rich man, does not expect to have money extorted from him, by another very rich man - not in this manner anyway.
The belief also, that he never took his own life. Yes, I agree that others will have wanted him dead (fear of his blabbing), but he was still a huge suicidal risk. Men like him don’t want to spend the rest of their lives in jail - he knew the seriousness of the charges against him, and the evidence held. He didn’t want to feel humiliated during his trial, and then live the rest of his life inside with all of his power removed.
The very least he deserved, but then he never believed that he did anything wrong.
The dodgy insider dealing had gone on for decades, and never stopped. He probably made a fortune, thanks to Mandelson alone (think we will hear even more, on the inside information he was giving him).
I also, can’t imagine the amount of money that he must have been collecting, from blackmail alone. The email to Bill Gates (that was never sent, but left in drafts), was clearly compiled for blackmail purposes. No idea why it was left in drafts, perhaps Epstein realised it was dumb to send him threats by email.
It’s crazy to imagine a millionaire blackmailing BIll Gates, but it seems that is exactly what he was doing, or attempting to do. I suppose that is why these idiots put their trust in Epstein. A very rich man, does not expect to have money extorted from him, by another very rich man - not in this manner anyway.
The belief also, that he never took his own life. Yes, I agree that others will have wanted him dead (fear of his blabbing), but he was still a huge suicidal risk. Men like him don’t want to spend the rest of their lives in jail - he knew the seriousness of the charges against him, and the evidence held. He didn’t want to feel humiliated during his trial, and then live the rest of his life inside with all of his power removed.
The very least he deserved, but then he never believed that he did anything wrong.
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The question for me is over the initial fortune, rather than what came later once he had everyone's money sloshing about under his control and was earning from it (whether by commission, percentage, or getting his trades in first).
People wouldn't have been trusting him with their money if he didn't already have the fortune (real or otherwise) to back up his assertion (or allowing them to infer) that he was some sort of financial wizard. Unless his startup flash-cash wasn't real and he had a credit line to the tune of a billion or two which would surely also be raising some questions as back then he would surely have had nothing to secure it on.