Exactly, these list of names aren't as insignificant as people seem to want us to believe. Knowing what he was up to and turning a blind eye makes you complicit in the sex crimes against children, even if you didn't partake. Maybe they can't legally be prosecuted for anything but I can still want their careers to take a run and jump.
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Good for Diaz. I think she left Hollywood because she didn't like the corruption and sleaze.
I don't understand why Andrew is still the only person in the frame as a client of Epstein's either. They're still bleating on about him, while everyone else has escaped notice again. It's getting boring now.
Obviously Bill Clinton was just as bad as Andrew and we know he's a proven liar (I did not sleep with Ms Lewinsky
). Is he getting any grief?
I can't stand the stupid and arrogant Prince but no doubt he's being used to shield grubby people like Clinton and many others.Good for Diaz. I think she left Hollywood because she didn't like the corruption and sleaze.
I don't understand why Andrew is still the only person in the frame as a client of Epstein's either. They're still bleating on about him, while everyone else has escaped notice again. It's getting boring now.
Obviously Bill Clinton was just as bad as Andrew and we know he's a proven liar (I did not sleep with Ms Lewinsky
How interesting. I know a PhD candidate of his but she’s way too scary to ask
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Andrew defo is a handy sacrificial lamb
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Im not that interested in all these lists. Surely the issue with Epstein, now he is dead and gone, is how to stop this abuse of power happening again.
you can go around and around in circles blaming everyone named in connection with Epstein, but the guy was never completely operating alone- other people did condone and assist him by not speaking out at the time. Epstein must have used dodgy deals to amass quite so much money and become so powerful financially. Why wasn't he stopped earlier?
And one of the biggest issues for me, is that if these ruthless men, like Epstein and Robert Maxwell, (linked because of Ghislaine) arent called out and stopped, then their behaviour becomes normalised or acceptable by those around them. So who do you blame? Ghislaine grew up with a completely immoral father, and then seems to have become the willing accomplice for a man like Epstein. Why did no one challenge her years and years before this, and point out that her behaviour was dubious at best?
The biggest issue is that most of us know full well why not. Money talks, and rich people get away with appalling behaviour that is both immoral and often illegal.
Rumours abounded about Epstein and his island for years. Most of the girls on there, were poor and desperate for money and attention. Prostitution is one of the oldest professions in the world. So far too many people just turned a blind eye to what was going on. Mud slinging names on a list now, seems sad.
The reality is that this operation is still in place in some form or another and that it is know by lawyers etc. whoever holds the tapes, who is guilty and who is involved. They are just deemed to be too powerful, too rich, too important to be touched.
I agree that this case should be used as a way to identify vulnerable people being trafficked and how to prevent it the future. But in regards to these names, if anyone is named for doing something illegal then that should be in the public domain. I’m not interested in a celebrity who once turned up to a fundraiser or a celebrity who’s he boosted about knowing. But if there is consistent claims that X person took part in sex with trafficked women, some who were potentially minor then that I think is of public concern. Especially as these are very powerful men and women, some who are involved in the highest offices in politics.
Abuse in any form is very easy if you have power. What is scary, it's doesn't happen in the 3rd world countries it happens in "democratic", developed countries, where the most money is. Obvious hush up by Secret Service, CIA, MI6, Mossad and other alphabet soup known and unknown agencies is a proof that we are fed a particle at times (change of generations at helm) and that abuse rings are very much functional and thrive.
This particular case would be busted ages ago, if not powers that be.
Actors aren't known for being fine morally upright people (even though they pretend to be by jumping up to support causes that are popular). I don't care who Leo Di Caprio sleeps with as long as she's over 18 and willing.
It's more concerning that politicians and law makers are involved in this scandal to me. They should be held to account if they are governing over us.
"The Epstein associates aren’t accused of committing any crimes. But that doesn’t mean they didn’t do anything wrong"
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The Epstein associates aren’t accused of committing any crimes. But that doesn’t mean they didn’t do anything wrong | Lucia Osborne-Crowley
The morals we hold as a society are laid hideously bare in this latest trove of unsealed documents, says writer and author Lucia Osborne-Crowley
www.theguardian.com
Power from money.
amassing too much money is a problem in my opinion. There should be a limit
I think she retired more because she was typecast as the blonde bombshell type and the available roles diminished.
AGC Blind - allegedly ...
64. ENTERTAINMENT LAWYER 01/06 **7**
The former "assistant" to the madam/procurer who now works in the West End, says there are tapes she has seen of the royal pedalo with underage girls. The madam/procurer would copy them from time to time and send them out. She doesn't know to where though. Sarah Kellen/Ghislaine Maxwell/Prince Andrew/Jeffrey Epstein (Who is Sarah Kellen and why is the ‘massage scheduler’ waiting for the Epstein-linked list to be out?)
64. ENTERTAINMENT LAWYER 01/06 **7**
The former "assistant" to the madam/procurer who now works in the West End, says there are tapes she has seen of the royal pedalo with underage girls. The madam/procurer would copy them from time to time and send them out. She doesn't know to where though. Sarah Kellen/Ghislaine Maxwell/Prince Andrew/Jeffrey Epstein (Who is Sarah Kellen and why is the ‘massage scheduler’ waiting for the Epstein-linked list to be out?)
I honestly think anyone who has been associated, even if it’s just a name Epstein has dropped, should be listed and if they are innocent, they’d release a statement as Cameron Diaz has. If these rumours were around Hollywood as long as it’s suspected then these people knew and still associated with him to some extent.
You’d think with all that cash to pay for $300 ‘massages’ they could actually get a bleeping pen that works
But on the other hand, being listed in these documents isn't as significant as some people want us to believe. Outside of a few individuals a lot of the mention is just along the lines of someone saying to Maxwell "did you ever meet them?" And her replying "no".
I agree, I have been waiting for the truth about Epstein and his flight logs to come out for years but instead, we get this. A load of nothing to blur the lines and muddy the waters. It does not matter who he met or didn't meet its the flight logs that are important. those who went to the island, not who were in the same room as him at a function.
Yeah and that's fine. It's the context that matters, but what we do know for certain is that a lot of people turned a blind eye to what he was up to to save their own skin. Just like in our everyday lives.
I think people would be shocked by just how many pedophiles are around them. Shaming victims and dismissing what they say is one way they get away with it, the other way is people pretending what they see with their own eyes doesn't mean much so they won't risk putting their head above the parapet.
Those people are just as guilty.
Definitely.
Evidently there had been a complaint made earlier.
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Meet the Sisters Who First Tried to Take Down Jeffrey Epstein
Nine years before any police investigation, Maria and Annie Farmer reported the troubling behavior of Jeffrey Epstein and his companion, Ghislaine Maxwell. No one would listen.