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Nottonightbabe

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Comments under the black pudding and carrot hash are 🤭.
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People have always flagged her as a horrible cook. How on earth did she continue to get food work??
 
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definitelynotvlad

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Strong Jack vibes in this piece in the Guardian today


This bit made my Pixie-senses tingle.

'For support, I joined a local young mums’ group, but when I mentioned I wanted to keep studying, the midwife told me: “There’s no way you’ll be able to do it. If you want to go into education you should do a cooking course and then one day you’ll make a good wife to a divorcee.”'
I’m a midwife and can confirm this is exactly how we speak to women, especially women with extra vulnerabilities. Our code states “first, kick them when they’re down”.
 
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Don'tlookEthel

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I began following Jack on Twitter in the first lockdown thinking (naively) she might offer suggestions on what to do with the odd assortment rations the local council dropped on my doorstep each week (I was shielding), I lasted 2 weeks, it was the kitten era. I didn't get a single recipe suggestion but I did get the very distinct impression she is very unhinged.
Then I came across that Molly expose , which although was revelatory it didn't come as a surprise AT ALL and now I am here relieved she is on chaos hiatus because it means I have the time to really grunk these threads and the joy it's bringing me in these cold months is immeasurable! I've started on the DKL cringefest, I chose episode 6 at random and it just keeps giving!
 
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RandomFishOils

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Quite long, so popped behind a spoiler.

I first made this tasty, delicious, appetising, delectable, palatable, scrumptious, luscious, toothsome, flavoursome, flavourful, succulent, mouthwatering, dainty, lush, ambrosial, tempting dish one day when, due to the fact that I’d been wrenched, torn, dragged, thrust, ejected from my high powered, well paid, professional job answering phones for the fire service, I found myself a bit skint for a couple of weeks. I looked in one of my three fridges - all of them turned off due to the Pov - and all I had in one of them was a solitary hen’s, chicken’s, pullet’s, layer’s, bird’s, avian egg, luxuriating sulkily in the dark cavernous interior of the food-chilling appliance. Desperately hungry, as it had been a full 11 hours since I’d eaten a scant five course meal at The Groucho the previous night, I coaxed out the reluctant ovoid, shelled, beige with little speckles package of goodness into my two hands and carried it irregardless across the kitchen. But what to do with this matt, not quite shiny, a bit like Farrow & Ball’s Pointing oval of goodness? After looking through 24 cookbooks, I gave up and looked back lovingly, longingly through my old Home Ec exercise books. And there I found the answer, which this GCSE D grade psephologist now brings to you, dear Guardian readers.

Method

1. Put some water in a saucepan, or your preferred cooking utensil made of metal with a handle attached. The source of your water is entirely up to you: I used some from a lemonade bottle under the sink, which I liberated from the tumble dryer, but you might prefer your tap - inside or outside, it doesn’t matter - or if you’re feeling luxurious, a bottle of San Pellegrino swiped from the mini bar at Soho House.

2. Carefully, take your pan of water to the cooker and place on the hob. This is the flat bit on the top where flames come out (if it’s gas), or it might have circles which light up and get hot. The choice of ring is up to you, but I like the one at the front on the right, as there is an Anglepoise lamp on the other front one, an electric kettle on the back left, and a casserole dish on the other back one. There’s something in it which has been there for a few weeks now, I forget what it is and frankly I’m scared to lift the lid and look. I’m reliably informed that other hob rings are available on other cookers.

3. Carefully, gently, painstakingly add your whole egg to its luxuriant bath of water. Do not just drop it in. It will crack. That’s what happened to the other five, and it is a lesson well learned.

4. Turn on the hob ring under your preferred round metal boiling utensil. Under no circumstances light the hob under the Anglepoise lamp, thinking that you’ve lit the right one, go upstairs to get your shoes and then fall asleep on the bed fully dressed for four hours. Trust me, I’ve seen a lot of fucking fires.

5. Watch the water intently until it boils. This means that the water has reached boiling point, 100 degrees C. It says that in my exercise book, and there’s a tick next to it, which means that I got it right. You can use a thermometer or another temperature measuring device to check. That does not mean your finger, as I know only too well.

6. Now for the magic part! Did you know that if you cook an egg for different amounts of time, it turns out differently? This is just one of the many classical cuisine techniques I learned when I worked in a professional kitchen. You now need to set your clock, or another time-telling instrument - grandfather clock, half hunter Georgian pocket watch, Harrison chronometer, sextant, sundial, Mayan ziggurat - whatever you have to hand. Let your egg bathe in its own hot tub for three minutes for runny, six minutes for hard boned (I think that’s what it says - my handwriting wasn’t as neat then, it must have been the Vermouth).

7. Carefully, painstakingly, gently, softly remove the water from the pan without dropping the egg in the sink. I find using the lid of the pan useful to catch the egg while the water comes out, but if you haven’t got a lid, a motorbike helmet works just as well, hence the nickname we bikers give to our protective headgear.

8. While your egg is cooling, cook two slices of bread until they make toast. I find a toaster useful for this, but if you haven’t got one of these specialist, expensive items of equipment, a chef’s blow torch flicked over the surface works just as well. Don’t over do it though: I’ve seen a lot of fucking fires.

9. When your toast is cooked to your liking - I prefer somewhere between Farrow & Ball’s Charlotte’s Locks and Farrow & Ball’s Downpipe - smear butter over the surface of each one, using a knife if you wish. If you can’t afford butter, I’m reliably informed that supermarkets other than Waitrose sell cheap margarine.

10. Cut your toast into slivers of quivering goodness, about 2cm across. Don’t worry too much about making them all the same size, but if you are worried, measure your toast in centimetres, divide by two and this will work out how many “soldiers”, as they are known, will be yielded by your toast. To make your toast go even further, divide into 1cm strips - this will double the amount you will get from your toast.

11. To serve, place the egg in an egg cup. An egg cup is a tiny shiny cup, made especially for eggs. If you haven’t got an egg cup, you can use a toilet roll tube cut into 3cm sections. Check that it doesn’t smell too bad from being next to the toilet first. Pile up your plate with the soldiers and slice off the top of the egg with a sharp knife, mallet and a steady hand. To eat, dip the soldiers into the gooey, sticky, runny, gloopy interior of the egg.

12. To completely ruin any vestiges of edibility, I add a poached mitten, a fistful of wallpaper paste and a scant teaspoon of cyanide. Enjoy!

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Panstickpinkie

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Hold up. I thought she walked miles to school with her brother, to save the bus fare for sweets or something? 🧐

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ETA: Maybe she should have given Ma and Pa her bus fare so they could have had a tin of cold beans each 🤷‍♂️
I’m a few years older (88 truther!) than Jack but I went to the same school. The shirts were just plain blue ones! They did not cost £16 each! You could have just bought a job lot from Tescos for a few quid. They weren’t specially embroidered or anything! Such a stupid thing to lie about! But Mrs F was very lovely and I always her saying ‘if you remember one thing from these lessons, it’s to always wash your fruit and veg’! lol. I do very much doubt she’d have brought in alcohol though for jack’s very special lesson, she was not a ‘cool, kerazy’ teacher.
 
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rage naan

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I've got sucked into a shallow dive into guest's "recipes for life" from the 2014-15 period in the guardian. I'm enjoying the comments sections - clearly people at the time were divided in their opinions and little feuds bubbled away. I'll spoiler some highlights


a rare chance to see her interact with commenters in the wild pre the 2020 twitter deletion. this top one is someone who vigorously defends her all over the threads & she's still so rude to them

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It's basic stuff but amusing to see that the same old stuff was happening 10 years ago

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I love the guy who told everyone every week how the dish would be served in Zimbabwe in the distant past
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and idk what's going on here but lol
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thread title by @MaineCoonMama as a tribute to Shane MacGowan (RIP) and Jack's brief foray into veganism.

Jack is still locked and MIA, so the canal are mithering through some of her greatest hits appalling slops. I think I'm scarred for life by the thought of black pudding and carrot hash, although it seems to be from the Allegra era so there's a faint chance it might be something approaching edible.

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Her patreon subscribers are softly, gently declining at every renewal, and every time she's mentioned on twitter it's to general mockery.

wiki is the pink button up top, please start nominating thread titles after post #500, and remember, no swears in thread titles.
 
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freya

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We’ve had some bad news and I wish I’d posted to ask for some support. I did plenty of snow back in the day but I was young and unruly flaps, so surely I should be used to bad news and bad guests.

Hold me, canal. Please.
 
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MancBee

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I wonder which house they meant to put it on.
It didn't happen at all, did it?

Or she read about landlords selling properties with sitting tenants and thought "that would make a good sob story." Rattle. Rattle.

Or she saw someone putting up a for sale sign somewhere, wondered about what would happen if that were her house and thought "that would make a good sob story." Rattle. Rattle.

Or she went to view a property for sale and it had a sitting tenant that was being asked to leave at the end of their contract and thought "that would make a good sob story." Rattle. Rattle.

Or it was a genuine mistake and Jack thought "that would make a good sob story." Rattle. Rattle.

Whatever the truth, what the hecking heck had any of it got to do with anyone except herself, other than for her to think "that would make a good sob story." Rattle. Rattle.

ETA If the landlady was selling the property, cutting down the sign wouldn't stop them selling it...They do use Rightmove, have people enquiring at the estate agents office, advertise in local press, photos in the window, and have interested parties on their books looking for properties to buy.
 
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Valiofthedolls

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Pastor Niemöller was talking about serious offences to human rights and dignity - and about murder - when he wrote the original. How absolutely tone-deaf and narcisstic of guest to adapt it to complain about her favourite shops closing down.
Not being remotely facetious, but the “I alone can save you” was strong with her even back then.
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She honed her message later. To make absolutely clear what a COMPLETE cunt she is
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Fuck her. I cannot keep stressing enough how delighted I am she’s shut the fuck up.
Let’s also recall that she was having TROLL THREATS and CRIPPLING DEPRESSION and ESSEX CELEBRITY SQUAD was involved in all the credible threats when in the throes of the Burger Boy shite.

Burger Boy was, to hear her tell it, was coming over to do “welfare checks” on a SEVERELY vulnerable woman in fear of her safety, fucking her and immediately fucking off.
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FUCK. HER.
ETA: I couldn’t agree more with @DisgruntledGoat that she needs to disappear from any public presence. She’s been a damaging if not downright malignant presence for most of it, and added literally nothing substantive to anything in the decade she’s been “in the public eye”. The quieter she stays the better for everyone. Including herself to pursue some self reflection, though I’m dubious she’s capable.
 
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Hang on a minute- her Asda shop apparently catered for her son and 'two very active adults'. Who are they? I thought that smol pixie was so riddled with disease that she could barely walk without a stick or coughing up a lung or two. And as for her shop catering for 42 'generous' meals and many of her recipes taking about leftovers*, isn't that a sign she needs to cut her portions down? People on the bones of their arse, who don't walk 10 miles a day looking for designer gear in puddles, will not need a diet providing such extreme nourishment. In fact, cooking too much of her delicious food could lead to povs putting excess pumble in the bin where it belongs.

* I wonder if her fantasy about her recipes being 'generous' comes from spotting her slop in friends' bins:

guest: Why is my world famous horse-spongle lasagne in the bin?
Friend: Ooh, it was such a generous recipe that I could not eat it all. It was definitely delicious though and not at all reminiscent of equine ejaculate.
Simple. She lies about portion sizes to ensure that she keeps under her absurd and self-inflicted costings per head. If she says it serves four, then that's what she can cost it at, but the number of times she has said "and then I ate the whole thing, like a greedy goblin", indicates the reality.

Putting her recipes through a nutrition calculator is instructive because it shows how badly they are nutritionally and calorifically inadequate.

I put a week's worth into MyFitnessPal once and logged my anticipated exercise, and it told me I was so under my calorie goal for the week that it wasn't going to record my meals, to discourage this disordered eating and activity pattern.
 
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Lazarus

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It drives me nuts when people speak to their animals in high-pitched, cooing voices too. And don't get me started on that "furbabies" nonsense.
i'm not going to apologise for how i used to speak to my dog, though i did draw the line at calling him a furbaby - he instead was my actual baby/love of my life. he came to me as a terrified rescue, he was malnourished, nervous and had cigarette burns. i mean, he quickly settled in and although he might have forgotten his past, i didn't.

i spoke to him like i was cooing, and had lovehearts in my eyes! When other people do it, i admit, i'm not keen, but i talk to almost every dog like that. they deserve it.

i didn't rescue a dog only to treat him like a dog - he was king of the castle :)
 
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MavisBeacon

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Speaking of hilarious works of fiction (chapeua, dear @RandomFishOils !) I thought I'd take a closer look at Jack's speaker bio on her agent's website:


Jack Monroe is a food writer and anti-poverty campaigner shit cook, terrible writer, and attention-seeking grifter. Born in Southend on Sea, she joined the Essex County Fire and Rescue Service in 2007 to work in their control room. She left in November 2011, unable to work the night shifts as a single parent to a then 20 month old son. in a massive tantrum.

Jack started writing her blog, A Girl Called Jack, in February 2012, in response to a local councillor who claimed that ‘druggies, drunks and single mums are ruining the High Street.’ What started as a local politics blog developed into budget food and recipes, which were picked up with interest as cheap clickbait by the national press as she detailed lied about living with her son on a food budget of just £10 a week. She describes the Daily Telegraph article by Xanthe Clay, ‘My 49p Lunch With A Girl Called Jack’, as the moment that changed her life. when she realised that she could fool a lot of well-meaning middle-class people by pretending to be a pov.

Jack had a keen interest in cooking at school, but was terrible at it in her own words, ‘apart from one D grade GCSE at the age of 16, I’ve never really had any formal food education. I just cook stuff, eat stuff and write about stuff.’

Jack is no longer an active campaigner, - as far back as fronting back in 2013 she fronted a petition with Unite, The Trussell Trust and The Mirror demanding politicians debate the causes of foodbank use and hunger in Britain. Within 4 days the petition had secured 100,000 signatures, and the debate was held in the House Of Commons three weeks later. Since then, even more people are hungry and living off food banks in the UK. She is was once an ambassador for Oxfam, from being a case study in their April 2013 report ‘Walking The Breadline’, to travelling to Tanzania to learn about women and agriculture, but has done nothing for the charity since.

Jack is an out lesbian woman, except when she sleeps with men, and in 2014 was listed in The Independent On Sunday’s Pink List at number 19. She has appeared on the front cover of Diva magazine, and contributed to several issues. She came out publicly, in an article in the Huffington Post on London Pride day in 2013.

She won the Fortnum and Mason Food and Drink Award for ‘inspiring people to enjoy, experiment and explore food’, the Red Magazine ‘Hot Women’ award for her blog, and the YMCAs ‘Courage And Inspiration’ award. She also featured in a Sainsburys television campaign in January 2014. It is notable that all these listed achievements were now nearly a decade ago.

Her seventh book Thrifty Kitchen is coming out in January 2023 and contains over 120 brand-new, delicious, low-cost recipes, plus household tricks guaranteed to save you money. came out in January 2023 and was an instant laughing stock, requiring the publisher to issue a correction about the dangerous advice contained within it (although not the terrible recipes, including crumpets that - swear to God - have had holes poked in them).

Fixed it for you, Adrian love. Invoice is in the post, ta.
 
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Lobster Johnson

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Seriously. I broke my knee this July and wasn't supposed to bend it for weeks. But I had Barbenheimer tickets for opening day, and no one could take me, and I wasn't going to miss it, so I loosened up my immobilizer, threw my crutches in the back seat, and drove my (manual) car to the theaters! But Jack can't manage getting some bread. Oh, the drama.

I drove from Belgium to Glasgow with a broken pelvis to hang out with some friends for a week because no way was I wasting 2 free months off work.

Edit: If my then boss is reading this, I regret nothing. You deserved it.
 
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MavisBeacon

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Ah yes, the corporate speaking gigs for which she gets paid (a large chunk of) 10-15 grand apiece.

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Fucking lying, gaslighting, grasping twat. It'll never not make me hoot-slash-rage that she bills these corporations with more money than sense half a day for recovery time. Poor smol ickle delicate Jack clearly needs to take to her nest-bed to overcome the shock of actually doing half a day's "work."
Right. Unlike Guest, I actually remember when I promised to do something and have come back to leave my thoughts.

I don't think she's getting £10-15K for a straight corporate speaking gig on the regular. Possibly for something like the disastrous Curry's collab, which we know must have been arranged through Kruger Cowne as Agent Adrian was there, or for a big Google-type thing. Small literary festivals like Clitfest, Hay etc pay crap (maybe a couple of grand if you're *really* lucky).

However, I actually agree with pretty much everything she says about how to negotiate your fee - far too much of the public speaking world relies on the fact that people want a platform, so will do stuff for nothing or just travel expenses. But if you're self employed, then this stuff is your job, and it needs to be worth your while - either monetarily or in terms of genuine exposure/opportunity or an incredible fun experience (fun, fame or fortune).

For example, I was approached to speak at an event in a European country. I would have had to spend at least half a day preparing for the event (plus also packing, sorting out logistics etc etc), most of a day travelling, the full day at the event, then most of the day travelling back - two nights away from home in bed that I might not sleep well in, and I have a genuine chronic health condition that means stuff like that does wipe me out. If I get in really late from an event where I've had to be on my feet all day, I am under par for at least a day after that. So I have no problem with factoring in half a day of recovery time.

And, of course, I wouldn't be able to get on with as much of my other regular work, as it's hard to work properly when you're travelling (i've tried - it's tiring and stressful, it's hard to do client calls on the go, and I hate being beholden to my laptop battery and finding wifi). So, let's call it 4 days of working time that I need to get covered.

Now, I'm a highly experienced Frau and an expert in my field, and when I was a freelance in a usual year my income was around £60K. According to this day rate calculator, if I want to make the equivalent of a £60,000 salary, I need to charge a *minimum* of £350 a day: https://www.maxwellstephens.com/day-rate-calculator (these things usually assume you're working full time, with about 4 weeks holiday a year and a couple of sick days).

So, I would need to ask for AT LEAST £1400, plus travel and accommodation. And that's not including any other expenses that I might incur while I'm away for three days, like meals, snacks, or a couple of glasses of overpriced red wine that I'll have to drink on my own in the hotel bar. Oh, and if it's arranged through an agent, then they will take a percentage of the fee (10-20% depending on your deal, although it's usually worth it as they'll negotiate a higher fee than you would ever manage to yourself). Now I run a company, and they bill me out at £1200 a day, so that would be a minimum of £5K, as that's how much we would lose due to me not being able to get on with other billable work or any of the other jobs I do. So no, I won't do it for £200, or for free :rolleyes:

If your experience and expertise is valuable, then people should pay you for it. It drives me nuts when organisers of events aren't willing to pay for the time of the people who are the reason the event exists in the first place! I think guest's advice and rationale is fine, and more people should take it to heart. Where I differ is that I'm genuinely an expert and an authority on what I do, whereas she's a honking chancer who keeps trotting out her self-centred poverty fiction.
 
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SouthendRealEstate

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Haven’t posted in a while but I hope you are all doing ok! I love how, even though she’s said and done nothing for the longest time ever, I still come back and find pages and pages to catch up on. It’s so nice that these threads are self-sustaining with all the stupid things she’s said and done over the years. She’s such a rich tapestry of bullshit we don’t even need her anymore 🥰

That being said, I am so excited for the next time she says or does anything at all. Even just a single sentence or a selfie for us to mither over. Or (please please please) a Christmas chaos! There’s still time 🤞

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