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Scotch Mist

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It might explain a lot of the really odd behaviour? No family at the wedding, a couple of lavendar marriages in the front pews, her lack of warmth, the put ons in the videos and elsewhere, the endless hand holding. There is an ever so slight chance she isn't maternal and doesn't pretend to be but he insisted on a baby? This is the royal family remember. They are happy to protect and bring to church an alleged pedophile, they v possibly did away with his mother, they're capable of anything. Also explains engagement video outtakes too, no interaction cos it's a business arrangement so to be fair she can push things as much as she likes and they know they can do v little...
Sorry but I certainly don't think that Diana was murdered by the royal family that's rubbish. The firm have many faults but I don't believe that one.

Whilst I despise arrogant Andrew it's not right to call him a pedophile. Pedophilia is having sexual interest in pre-pubescent children. Andrew obviously likes young women but the woman he's accused of sleeping with was 17 not 7 and that doesn't make him a pedophile. Until that's proven it's wrong to say that.

As for Harry I see no reason to believe that he's gay. He might have done the Eton fumbling along with the rest of the toffs but there's no evidence to support this either. He's had plenty of girlfriends over the years and if he was gay it would probably be widely known by now.

I believe that the baby was part of their marriage deal as he clearly wanted children. It remains to be seen if she's willing to dust off the moonbump again now that she doesn't need to.

As to none of her family at the wedding. She was ashamed of them all, set her dad up and obviously spun Harry a load of stories to support her victimhood. She's a con artist grifter and he's a fool withaloadof issues.
 
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freda19

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Yes, I agree, I think there were definitely some articles where you can suspect class and cultural differences and just plain ill will and bullying and this is one of them. The problem here I think is that a makeup artist posting a photo of the oh so trendy avocado toasts while gushing about his newly royal host just does not sit well in a royal context. It's influencer fare and many people would go :rolleyes: even then. But I think this is where the issue of cultural difference and also class may come in. Let's say someone has been even slightly socially mobile, not necessarily in any negative sense, and sees things like avocado on toast as markers of their ascent, should then people with a different background, who have never had to make that journey shoot them down and make fun of them? I think her lashing out at Kate may come from this kind of a very hurt place, Kate knows what not to do and the list may seem endlessly long from the perspective of someone who does not. You would not want just anyone to tell you and a friendly sister in law may very well feel like the right person.

Just playing the devil's advocate... :)
No, you make a good point. But by the same token smeggy shouldn't refer to the Cambridge kids as feral just because Kate lets them go barefoot on grass occasionally, or comment on how the royal houses allow dogs the run of the home so the houses tend to reek of dog, or that our ancient buildings need air fresheners. If people want allowances made for their habits or ways then it's a two way street. Smeggy doesn't do two way street, it's her way or fuck off with your silly decades/centuries old ways.
Kate was fine with her in the early days, especially considering the rumours around her past which for sure Wills had been made aware of. Not effusive, but smiley enough and OK. But if someone refuses your advice re dress code at wimbledon, when hats are to be worn or that tights are the norm then you get the message that the bitch is on a mission so you leave her be to dig her own grave. Well I would, in fact I'd hand her a spade, but I'm a cunt like that I suppose.
She couldn't even grasp the reason for the tights rule and happily appeared with bruises (and probably carpet burns
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) at events where she was pictured seated with other royals. Legs are like cars, they get dings and bruises and shit happens , so tights tidy things up for the photographs. It's that simple, but no, smeggy has to let everyone know what she was up to last night and that she sucks like a dyson.
And don't get me started on her dodgy bras or her going braless. Not a good look in photographs. Fuck sake woman, get measured properly and hoik the fuckers up rather than let them drift south as titties often do after breast enlargement has been reversed.
 
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Poppea

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I'd like to say something about the off medication thing regarding H.

First off there is something you should know to put what I'll be saying into perspective. I do have severe recurring depressions. So much so, I had to retire early. And as you well know I once had a coke habit.

If they weaned H from medication for depression or even worse bipolar disorder (bipolars do like to wean themselves every time the medication sets in because they feel good again and do think they don't need it anymore), it is perfectly possible he is on coke. Depression makes you unable to "function". It paralyzes to the point one is not even able to get up in the morning. Btw if he has a depression right now, he is not lazy as someone up thread said. It would be the depression keeping him from doing even the most simple things. This is why coke has such an allure for people suffering from depression. It spikes acivity/hyperactivity and can be a form of self-medication.

Weaning someone from anti-depressants is very dangerous. Doctors hate to change meds. When meds are changed one has to wean off slowly until zero and then the new meds are slowly build up to their end dosis. Now the reason why docs hate to do this is, there is a point when a person who was too paralyzed to even get out of bed, gets enough "drive" to kill themselves. And this point is crossed twice in the process.

When one just gets off medication there will be a low point at which there still is enough energy to commit suicide while having become depressed enough to wanting to go through with it. So, if they did take him off, they were doing a dangerous thing.

There is a third possibilty to cope with recurring depressions: Excessive sports. As long as I did lots and lots of sports (about 4 hrs per day of swimming, bicycling and Ashtanga yoga) I didn't take/need any anti-depressants. It gets complicated the moment the body is not able to do hours of vigorous excercise each day anymore. Like when I got frozen shoulder or broke my foot and had to stay in bed for six weeks. So you see, this is a slippery path, the sports only, let the body produce endorphins galore method. It is what they do to combat alcoholism or drug use, too. There are some famous ex-users doing extreme sports like Rich Roll or Andreas Niedrig, who went from junkie to Ironman.
 
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50sGirl

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Harry & Meghan #39 Practically perfect in every way, don’t do as we do, do as we say
 
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kev1974

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Like clockwork, a Charity Stunt with a photo op but back in LA.



Things I noticed in the pics. Meghan in baggy shirt and shorts to tease the PrEgNanCy chat 🥴 Are they deliberately choosing pictures that make Haz look weird? Because I'm seeing a pattern here.

Anything the Cambridges do, these two clowns have to do as well?

Idea blatantly nicked directly from the place Kate spent a day at a week or two ago.

Except whereas Kate spent a day, and was pictures laughing and smiling and making lots of others around her feel good and happy too, I rather suspect Clown and Clownetta will have spent just the necessary two minutes or so there while they were photographed.

Also in Chris Ship's follow up tweet
"We are told Meghan’s facemask is by @RoyalJellyNYC - “a New York based Black female founded company”. "
JUST FUCK OFF, I don't want to live in a world where face nappies are either fashion label items, or given extra credit and attention just because it was a black woman that managed to get a little patch of spare material and sow elastic ear loops on to it. FFS.
 
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antinoos

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I see that our beloved Duchess is taking part today in an interesting political propaganda event no doubt intended to promote the Democrats attempts to steal the election in November by facillitating mass voter fraud.

Going under the entirely bogus organisation The United States of Women and called When All Women Vote. It will be a cringefest for the connoisseur - and also sinister.

Amongst the cut-outs ("Actor and Activist" Yvette Nicole Brown, Obama fan-girl D J Diamond Kuts and, drum roll, the Editor of Glamour Magazine) the name that stands out is Valerie Jarrett.

She is quite a piece of work is our Val. Effectively Obama's Right Hand Woman and "Assistant for Intergovernmental Affairs" 2009 to 2016. It is fair to say that she is, and certainy was, a very powerful person indeed.

Although barely covered here in the various frenzies of Trump Derangement Syndrome that prevent even quite rational people seeing the wood for the trees, the Election in November is about much more than Orange Man Bad. One of the key things it is about is whether the Obama Administration, to prevent Trump Winning or staying in Power (and above all to Prevent Flynn being put in charge of the astoundingly corrupt Foreign Policy in the Ukraine etc and exposing their shocking wrong-doing) spied completely illegally on his Campaign, invented the preposterous black propaganda of the "Russia Hoax" and framed General Flynn.

I dont want to sound like the over-excitable Sean Hannitty but it really is the greatest poltical scandal in American history and Val is up to her neck in it. Everything is at stake. The integrity of the legal system; the corrupt use of law enforcement and the security services (including our own). It is the most fascinating story in the world. Not that you'd know from the increasingly bizarre BBC, and our stupid pointless incurious media.

One of the reasons Trump has faced a never ending camapaign of bogus legal persecution and the most hysterical opposition ever (that has encouraged the breakdown of civic society) is that a lot of very big people have a lot to loose when the truth comes out. If they win in November they will be able to delay that truth to the verdict of history when the big actors will be beyond prosecution, and too old to care about the incineration of their presently saintly reputations.

If contrary to the massive propaganda war being waged against him the coarse, and often foolish, Queens Property Developer wins re-election then all bets are off. The democrat party is deeply divided. On one side the "Squad" and the like ultra-radical young middle-class leftists, sounds familiar; and on the other the old Dixeycrat Establishment of the Clintons and the new Chicago School round the Obama's. All these groups HATE each other.

Megs is compeletly alligned with the corrupt establishment group. She will have no credibility with the Young Turks and the Squad. If her gang lose the election in November - and they're certainly trying having selected a senile cipher and a bent cop loathed by the Black Working Class as Candidates - then Meghans political career will be, like all her other grandiose schemes, DOA.
 
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freda19

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Baguette is now our Official Foreign Correspondent, as well as historical fact finder for all the articles and vids we lesser mortals can't seem to re-find from the older threads.🏆
We're doing well. American Correspondents and Aussie correspondents and even a Swedish one too chipping in with all the scuttlebuck from their territories. :m :m :m
 
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Baguette

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Harry et Meghan: the final half hour.

Africa tour a success, the bombshell documentary, then the lawsuit against the Mail. Samantha points out the 'straight outta Compton' tabloid headlines were both wrong and also unfair to all the Markles, who the press hadn't met. (This hadn't occurred to me before). Then we whizz through Canada, the Sandringham Summit and the idea of a 'modern progressive monarchy'. The Queen bans the use of HRH and insists on a transition year. Meghan appeared 'radieuse' for the final engagements (French detailed analysis of megz fashion choices for the farewell tour and symbolic colours etc).

Discussion that Meghan left before taking UK citizenship and questions over whether she ever intended to live here. The departure to LA and the 'gigantesque' residence of Tyler. Discussion about money and conclusion that Harry is rich but not 'that' rich if they live the high life. They thought it was possible that a high-earning speaking career could work for Harry. And Meghan? Oh dear, we are on the Disney carpet and Haz is tapping up Bob Iger. This video gets more cringe-worthyevery time I see it. Elephant clips and charity visits. A slightly barbed discussion of how Meghan has exploited her contacts (Justin Trudeau, Michelle Obama, President Obama) and quite positive speculation of a future political career for her. Namecheck for Sara Latham and joining the dots to the Clintons. Because it's a French documentary, we are back on the money trail and the need for them to repay costs of Frogmore. They think their power is the fusion of 'Hollywood et Buckingham' to make a global marque (good luck with that idea..) They emphasise that Harry has sacrificed his career, role as a working Royal, friends and largely family for an uncertain future, and has exchanged second place behind his brother to second place behind his wife.

Phew.

Just noticing that Charles is invisible in this documentary. We've had a tiny bit of Charles and Diana but I'm not even sure if we've seen Charles and Camilla..

The talking heads were Samantha et Thomas Jr Markle, un photographe anglais spécialiste de la famille royale (Arthur Edwards) et les analyses de l’historienne Virginie Girod, son homologue François Durpaire et le psychanalyste Pascal Neveu.' Journaliste et royaliste Anne-Elisabeth Moutet (aha she writes for the Telegraph - that explains a lot) et journalist Philip Turle
 
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freda19

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I wish I knew, I asked the same yeaterday ...

Containment, hopefully ...
I'm sticking with the "enough rope ... " theory and everything is stacking up nicely. They keep putting their feet in their mouths and doing things wrong and being outrageous and after a year of this only the most ardent sugars and stans will be offended when their titles go kaput. The timing is good too, because motor mouth the wannabe Hillary gal is slithering around in the snakepit of politics raging in the US at the moment. She is busting her fat ass to be noted as a politically savvy person and dick head thinks the sun radiates from her fanny so is trotting along behind her carrying her handbag and her speech notes like the little man servant he has become.
He's a huge embarrassment every time he parrots his wokey shite and Brenda will be losing patience with every stunt. But the rope will be running out soon and the titles will be gone. It actually feels like that's what she's angling for and that ginger sap can't see that he's just a pawn now. She has the house in her name and that's one of the main boxes ticked. Next box will be them billed as Meghan Markle and her husband. Tick.
There is no way he is ditching her any time soon. The sap is so cuntstruck it's creepy and it's getting worse. He's going nowhere guys, just watch.
He's her cheerleader and servant and mouth piece and financial provider and she's loving flaunting her power and control of him. She won't be letting go anytime soon, not till she's a name in her own right and no longer needs him, be it in politics or hollywood.
Buckle up for a bumpy ride kids.
 
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freda19

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When they first announced the title, FF there were a lot of people, including me who said, “who does she think she is! Nelson Mandela?“.................no surprise here then!

The use of the phrase Finding Freedom is reminiscent of The Long Walk to Freedom autobiography of revolutionary, political leader and philanthropist Nelson Mandela, and it is clear that Meghan believes that there are similarities between her and the former South African President. She sees herself as an inspirational guru, single-handedly responsible for lecturing on equality concerning race and gender issues as well as climate-change and how we should live our lives. She loves to speak in clichés and phrases more akin to an inspirational Instagram post. Yet to me, I cannot see why she is suddenly such an expert in life. She has earned her position not through hard work and battling against many odds, but through marrying into royalty.


Who do we see about making her a Saint? :rolleyes:
Don't look at me. I'm persona non grata at my local church since I suggested blinging up Mary when we were having the big crib figures repainted last year. All I suggested was a teeny-weeny itsy-bitsy band of something sparkly around her nice new blue cloak, not doing her like something straight outta Compton with hoop earrings and an "I ❤ Jesus" tattoo on her hand.:rolleyes: Anyway two priests loved the idea and thought Mary deserves a subtle bit of shiny stuff, her being the mother of Jesus and having just given birth in a dingy stable and all. But the boss priest said no and now glares at me every chance he gets.
Anyway I think she needs to be a "Blessed"(as in Blessed Meghan) before being considered for Sainthood. Oh and she needs a few miracles attributed to her. I don't think turning jolly old haz into a sour bitter cunt overnight counts, amazing as it is.
 
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PennyCrayon

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So they are trying to get out of repaying for Frogmore now due to their big mortgage. What a load of bullshit 💩 is being thrown our way.
1. They probably never had any intention of repaying and how would we know if they were anyway?🤑
2. They probably don't have a mortgage, a bank would not lend that amount to the unemployed. They are saying this to make them sound relatable to us.😉
3. Most people buy properties they can afford to run and are within their means. These 2 shit heads don't deserve any sympathy as they could have bought something half the size.
😡
It makes my piss boil. These great ‘humanitarians’ living in their multi-million dollar mansions with 16 bathrooms preaching to all and sundry. People are struggling, really struggling. Emotionally, financially, just trying to get by as best they can. I swear they’re just trying to bait us, sitting back and laughing at the reaction they cause with their shit. I’m so sick of the pair of them.

@antinoos I agree with all you say. ❤
 
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Toto

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I missed that bit about Charles; I reread it:

she is not one of Prince Charles’s favourite members of staff, someone whom he believes has been indulged

Charles is a fucking woeful judge of character. He and Andrew plotted to get rid of (now Lord) Christopher Geid, the Queens Private Secretary.
i believe he was Brought back in to sort out the Harkles and Andrew messes.

The reign of Charles III is going to be shit.
Oooh @Campagne! I've been away and just popped in and saw your message about Geidt being brought back. Is this correct? You've made my day. Halle-fucking-lujah! Rather late in the day, but I hope not too late.

I've got mixed feelings about Charles as monarch. I really don't think he's a bad man but he's lived in an ivory tower and been kow-towed to by obsequious courtiers all his life. He's not thick like Harry, but he's not particularly clever either. He thinks he is though. My best friend's brother went to Cambridge at the same time as Charles and he's bloody clever. He still worked like stink to get excellent A level results and somehow got through the interview. Despite being from a very working class background and having a "gor blimey" accent, he clearly had enough upstairs to impress the dons. My friend still talks with disgust about Charles' A level results being mediocre in comparison with her brother's. She's of the opinion that if her brother had had the same results as Charles, he'd never have been accepted by Cambridge.

Another snippet. Same friend has an associate who is a retired RPO and who has worked for Anne and Andrew. He won't be drawn on Andrew at all, but has an extremely high opinion of Anne ("the best king we'll never have"). If he's in his cups he'll sometimes yield to my friend's nosey-ness and let slip things.

One year, the RPO was on duty at Balmoral. As well as the principal he was attached to, the other royals were there too. He learned that whenever Charles goes anywhere, he takes a load of his own personal stuff too so he can feel at home. We're talking about a couple of pantechnicons! Just for Charles.

So the party arrives at Balmoral and Charles' lorries have already arrived and been unloaded, and the stuff placed in position by the staff. This included Charles' own loo seat. It apparently goes everywhere with him, and is for the sole and exclusive use of the royal arse. Having been attached to Charles' personal cludgie, the loo seat did its duty uncomplainingly throughout the holiday.

On the last day, all the royal family were about to leave. The cars and drivers were ready, and the army of staff had packed and loaded stuff at the last minute so it could be transported ahead of the Royal party, and ready for their arrival at the end of their journey. Including Charles' lavvy seat.

Charles had gone for a short walk, and got back to the castle just in time for the party to start leaving. But he needed to visit the loo before the journey. When he found that his loo seat wasn't on the lavvy pan he went absolutely mental. Really, really ballistic. The pantechnicons had to be unloaded until the loo seat was located, it was then fitted back on the loo ready to receive Charles' valedictory pee / poo, then it was then taken off again and reloaded for its journey back home.

I quite like the conceit of having your own personal loo seat. If it were me though, I'd have several loo seats: one for each of my regular destinations. My staff would know to fix / unfix it upon my arrival / departure. They would then store it until my return so that it couldn't be sullied by other bums.

What I find objectionable is Charles' temper tantrum - remind you of anybody? - and bad behaviour towards staff who have been given a completely unpredictable and unreasonable situation to deal with.

So on balance, I agree with @Campagne, his reign will be shit.
 
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Scotch Mist

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it’s a short read; the writer is an English teacher.

It is as if Meghan sees her entire life as a competition against everyone, where she just has to be the best at everything (author’s BIB)

There are times it is rather reflective of a megalomaniac or even a comedic figure
That review is brilliant.
Meghan is basically a megalomaniac who isn't allowed to be criticized and has never done anything wrong in her entire life 🤮
 
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freda19

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Brilliant penny. And highly concerning.
That's why I hate twitter. Between buying followers and hiring bots to up your profile it's a joke, but not a funny one.
FFS it's used as gauge when would be influencers try to blag freebies. " I have 50 zillion followers and can promote your hotel/restaurant/product if you give me a freebie." I read about one jeweller who was tortured with these people begging freebies so he said "OK, you buy wear and advertise my bracelet on your youtube vids and tell your followers if they want to buy it here's the promotional code to use (*something basic like blet 123*) and if 20 or more people buy one from us using your code we'll refund your money". Oddly enough he says he's never been taken up on the offer and even been told "fuck you, your stuff is crap" more than once.

Also when jobless titty girls and lunchbox boys go on reality shows their 'followers' numbers are often mentioned in the introduction and during the shows ... as if it was a Masters Degree from a prestigious university. Bloody twitter wrecks me.
 
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Baguette

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That review is brilliant.
Meghan is basically a megalomaniac who isn't allowed to be criticized and has never done anything wrong in her entire life 🤮
It's brilliant and absolutely spot on

Part of my job involves teaching students how to analyse language. Based upon my analysis of the literary devices and language used in the book, in my opinion, Harry and most specifically Meghan, collaborated with the writers. Justice Warby mentioned only last week during the case Meghan has issued against Associated Newspapers, her tendency to employ “hyperbolic assertions.” There is repeated use of Americanisms; extensive splitting of infinitives and the sheer amount of explanations which take on the tone of a petulant teenager rather than a public figure. Meghan’s son shares some of his mother’s excellence, for he is immensely advanced for his age; having teeth early; being able to crawl when only just out of the womb, and able to mimic animal sounds to rapturous applause. Within a day of establishing their social media presence on Instagram. Harry and Meghan had over two million followers; they are googled more than any other member of the Royal family. Even Meghan’s doctors are better and more trained than any other. It is as if Meghan sees her entire life as a competition against everyone, where she just has to be the best at everything. In essence this is just far too much a case of the lady doth protest (far) too much, methinks! It is no wonder that it is not long before this somewhat pontifical tone becomes overused and just downright boring. There are times it is rather reflective of a megalomaniac or even a comedic figure – think of Donald Trump or even Alan Partridge. Life is not about being the best at everything. No one likes a bragger. A little amount of humility would have been most welcome after all these oratorical phrases and examples.
 
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Campagne

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This just sums it up :
Harry et Meghan: the final half hour.

Africa tour a success, the bombshell documentary, then the lawsuit against the Mail. Samantha points out the 'straight outta Compton' tabloid headlines were both wrong and also unfair to all the Markles, who the press hadn't met. (This hadn't occurred to me before). Then we whizz through Canada, the Sandringham Summit and the idea of a 'modern progressive monarchy'. The Queen bans the use of HRH and insists on a transition year. Meghan appeared 'radieuse' for the final engagements (French detailed analysis of megz fashion choices for the farewell tour and symbolic colours etc).

Discussion that Meghan left before taking UK citizenship and questions over whether she ever intended to live here. The departure to LA and the 'gigantesque' residence of Tyler. Discussion about money and conclusion that Harry is rich but not 'that' rich if they live the high life. They thought it was possible that a high-earning speaking career could work for Harry. And Meghan? Oh dear, we are on the Disney carpet and Haz is tapping up Bob Iger. This video gets more cringe-worthyevery time I see it. Elephant clips and charity visits. A slightly barbed discussion of how Meghan has exploited her contacts (Justin Trudeau, Michelle Obama, President Obama) and quite positive speculation of a future political career for her. Namecheck for Sara Latham and joining the dots to the Clintons. Because it's a French documentary, we are back on the money trail and the need for them to repay costs of Frogmore. They think their power is the fusion of 'Hollywood et Buckingham' to make a global marque (good luck with that idea..) They emphasise that Harry has sacrificed his career, role as a working Royal, friends and largely family for an uncertain future, and has exchanged second place behind his brother to second place behind his wife.

Phew.

Just noticing that Charles is invisible in this documentary. We've had a tiny bit of Charles and Diana but I'm not even sure if we've seen Charles and Camilla..

The talking heads were Samantha et Thomas Jr Markle, un photographe anglais spécialiste de la famille royale (Arthur Edwards) et les analyses de l’historienne Virginie Girod, son homologue François Durpaire et le psychanalyste Pascal Neveu.' Journaliste et royaliste Anne-Elisabeth Moutet (aha she writes for the Telegraph - that explains a lot) et journalist Philip Turle
BIB

Harry has sacrificed his career, role as a working Royal, friends and largely family for an uncertain future, and has exchanged second place behind his brother to second place behind his wife.
 
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Baguette

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Meghan made Harry her target! She is an arriviste who thought it was a good deal to marry a Prince!

Tom Jr and Samantha both asked Meghan's palace team for help but Meghan's response was that they were distant family members who didn't deserve (need) assistance. The programme said Meghan was deeply ashamed of her family and hid them from Harry / RF. Lots of French huffing that Harry didn't meet Tom Sr.

French historians saying that the RF is all about service and obligation, and hard work, in 'a golden cage' but not celebrity (accompanied by pictures of Queen Mum, Will and Kate looking regal THE SHADE)

Contrast with Kate who took her time to learn, Meghan's first interview said 'I'm completely ready to start straight away' (French historian says 'Boh!' meaningfully)

We seem to have skipped straight to the start of Megxit. Parallels with Edward and Wallis and the difficulties Margaret faced as 'Numero Deux'

All voices in the documentary saying that Meghan as a biracial woman was viewed positively by society and the RF itself, particularly the Queen.

Harry gets the 'eternal playboy' writeup, 'sympa' but at times thoughtless (Nazi photos and Vegas nudes appear briefly 🤣 ) There's a video clip where Harry, who was making a wall painting thing, smacks a painted hand on top of Arthur Edwards head to leave a palm print. Hadn't seen that one before. They are using the videos to actually point out how much he has changed since marriage and become quiet and introverted.

'Her way or the high way' and 'What Meghan Wants, Meghan Gets' are both translated into French as meaning Meghan has a 'very strong personality' and that she is the driving force behind Megxit.
 
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They need to shut the fuck up..end of.. we want a private life..idiots..all they want is fame..
It’s not privacy they want. It’s secrecy with no annoying plebs asking awkward questions or being disbelieving of their fairytale perfection and humanitarianism. In other words they would prefer it if we couldn’t all quite clearly see that they’re nothing but a pair of grifters.
 
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