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me from mid-America

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Please stop assuming that the American media represents the American people. The American media is populated by operatives for the Democratic Party who employ this “woke” philosophy to keep their voters feeling victimized and therefore in need of them. Oprah, Michele Obama, Hollywood, CNN International, the NYTimes, Washington Post...and now the Markles are spokesman for the Party.

First rule of business, don’t look at how obscenely rich I am, cry for how I have been mistreated, victimized, by our culture, our country, my family, etc etc. Michele Obama, in a interview, spoke of her fear for her daughters when driving due to our racist police. Her daughters have massive security, which she also complained about ruining their first kisses, etc in a previous interview. Never mentioned is any fear for other people’s daughters who are shot in doorsteps, in cars, in playgrounds EVERY WEEKEND in the big city hellholes we are forbidden to mention.

The Markles sing for that audience. In the vast swatches of America, we admire a different sort of person....the kind that work hard for little money or recognition and yet Thank God for their few blessings. We admire people like your Queen who, in her widowhood, cry alone at night, yet get on with the job, thinking of others first.

The Markles think trashing others is a healing process. They ostracize and proliferate hate, yet talk all their syrupy narrative about ‘kindness.’ They are only important to the Democratic Party and its attending media...and only as long as we click on their articles. They are spending their ‘capital’ rather too freely,...there’s a lot of Hollywood competition to be a spokesman of the same drivel. The Awards show ratings are in toilet because it’s all the same dialogue.

The baby will come. We will see a sepia professional picture of the back of its head. Markle has strange ideas about what is ‘classy.’ Its so obvious it’s almost sad. What’s really ‘classy’...is unpretentious, loving people in every station of life...who move through their respective circumstances with quiet dignity and forgiveness.
 
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Rayne

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Roundup of the past thread:

• There’s a bus shortage because Harry has hired them all out to relentlessly throw his family under them

• They found love in a hopeless place (Asda)

• some wonderful H&M fan art was shared
 
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Churchill's Ghost

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Generational pain is for families who have been through the Holocaust or something equally horrific. It is not for spoiled brats who don't give the slightest thought to anything but their immediate needs and feelings.

What Prince Philip went through - that could be generational pain. Abandoned by his parents and estranged from his sisters. The fact that he was able to be a loving and devoted father/grandfather/husband is a huge testament to strength of character. I don't think it came naturally to him - he really had to work at it and got better and better at it over time. Plus, he and Charles were just different personalities, but clearly had affection and respect for one another. Anne seemed to adore him and vice versa. By the time Andrew and Edward came along, he was a different person, more settled and secure and probably more affectionate to them...not to mention that there was far less pressure on raising them as opposed to the heir. With grandkids and great-grandkids, you can be indulgent. Judging his grandfather by today's parenting standards is also unfair.

Diana was human. She was a child thrown into a difficult situation and was not all sinner or all saint. She was living out the young adulthood she never had when she died. She had no family support from either side and was floundering. She was essentially trapped emotionally at 19 years old and maybe a good, stable partner could have helped her. However, I don't doubt that she would have figured her shit out and she and Charles would have made peace with one another.

It would be very easy for William to be trapped at 15, but he made the decision to move forward and grow up. No doubt Catherine and the Middletons helped with that. You need a partner who both challenges and supports you. That makes you want to be your best self, and brings out the best part of you. I also think that he and Charles have had some long, frank talks and fights and cleared the air before making the decision to move forward. Camilla's granddaughter was in his and Catherine's wedding, for God's sake! That was a signal to the world of where they were in their relationship with Charles and Camilla.

Harry is trapped at 12...and chose a person who will never let him progress. She does not challenge or support him. He has regressed so much. He may be trying so hard to avoid his father's mistakes, that he is making all of his mother's.

ETA: Harry had a whole, big, loving extended family (on both sides) with whom he spent loads of quality time. He was showered with love and affection from all quarters since birth. He was cosseted and feted and had every need met. So what exactly is his complaint? His father was busy and couldn't spend every minute of every day with him and didn't hug him enough?
 
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Sunshine&clouds

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What Hazbeen and Megs say versus what they do:

"Don't fly, save the planet" - "We have to fly by private jet because we're so special"

"Be kind" - "FU racist UK and family"

"Donate to help poor people" - "But Dad, I only have £20 million in the bank."

Hazza "I felt like I was living in a zoo." - "Look at MEEEEEE"

"I'm so happy now I live in Cali." - "I've had a shit life, my dad is soo mean and I hate the media and my trapped brother. "

"Dad's are amazing" - "Dad's are shit especially when they run out of money."

"It's hell on earth being Royal" - "I'm Prince Harry, the Duke/Duchess of Sussex and our son should be a prince! "

"I've never been on a bike ride." - Lots of photos of Harry and his family on bikes

"Just call me Harry." - "That's Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex you son of a bitch."

Be compassionate - Be estranged from all your family

The UK people are racist and evil - Cough up, we want a multi million pound wedding and millions spent on our house

"I've had therapy for years" - "I only had therapy because of my wife"

"I don't want history repeating itself." - Let's leave the RF and the protection it offers, just like Diana "

Visited S Africa and saw kids orphaned because of AIDS - "No-one ever asks me if I'm ok."

"Alleviate world poverty" - Have an eye wateringly expensive baby shower, buy a 16 bathroomed mansion, spend over a million on clothes in a year

We want privacy - WE WANT TO BE THE MOST FAMOUS PEOPLE IN THE WORLD

"I want to break the genetic pain for my kids" - "No Archie, your other relatives family are evil, racist scum."

"It's not enough to survive, you have to thrive" - Unless you're family who are evil and trapped and deserve to suffer

"I love my grandfather" - So what if he's dying, they're a shit racist family

"We have nothing but respect for the Queen." - She was a shit parent, took our patronages away and said we couldn't have our cake and eat it.'

Etc, etc. 🙄🤬
 
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LolitaBlah

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I have nothing important to add to the discussion.

Just shut the fuck up Harry. Shut it. The world is over your pity party.
 
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amethyst_unicorn

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Thank you for the new thread 🤗


Sorry for the long quotes from the original interview/article, but there is a particularly interesting point Angela Levin makes here about the true source of who encourages him to seek professional help before he meets the witch - BIB...

"Speaking on Good Morning Britain, Angela said the Prince was being "incredibly rude again" and he "seems to lash back at his family in the most unpleasant, disloyal way".

When host Ben Shephard spoke about the timing of his comments coming so soon after Prince Philip's death, Angela fumed: "It's terrible, I think it's absolutely disgusting to be honest with you."

Angela said Harry's comments showed a "lack of understanding of anyone else's position"

She explained: "Poor Prince Charles who as we saw when the funeral took place not very long ago, he was absolutely devastated to lose his father and the Queen at 95, she bravely went to open parliament again but you could tell she wasn't the same Queen and she's desperately upset. She adores Harry and Prince Charles has done his best so it is unspeakably, ruthlessly cruel."

During the chat with Dax, Harry had heaped praise on Meghan telling listeners it was the former Suits star who encouraged him to speak with professionals but royal expert Angela told hosts Kate Garraway and Ben that the Duke of Sussex was talking "nonsense".

She claimed: "There's also a sort of nonsense there, or a potential nonsense there because he said Meghan told him to go and get help but when I interviewed him at length at Kensington Palace in 2017, I asked him if he was going because Meghan suggested it, has she persuaded you and he said 'absolutely not, she's had nothing to do with it. It was William.'"

She says Harry told her: "He went on and on that I needed help and that I should get help. First of all I turned him down because the timing wasn't right and I don't like listening to my older brother but he was the one who saved me."


Angela added: "Either he told me something that's not true or he's saying something that's not true now."

When GMB host Kate suggested to Angela that perhaps Harry didn't intend to be rude with his "hurtful" comments, she responded: "He know's exactly what he's doing."

She added: "People keep saying that 'he is an idiot' but I don't think that he is, I think he knows exactly what he wants to say and he wants to hurt them to punish them, because he feel they've wronged him and they've wronged Meghan.

"I think that fact that they tend to give anything they hear or say to the Royal Family to friends of Meghan's who reported to social media, is a way of killing off any bonding and working towards something positive.

"These things are very delicate, you can't repair such terrible damage in sort of 20 minutes, especially if it's your grandfather's funeral and I think that they can't trust him anymore."
 
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Maggiemaynot

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Thanks to @Notworthy for the new thread and @spangly for the great title.
This quote from Jan Moir in the DM made me laugh.

“I’ve had enough of him and his banquet of bespoke celebrity problems, including a chief beef about lack of privacy which he has talked about on global TV with James Corden, then with Oprah Winfrey and now in a 90-minute podcast in which he seemed to agree with his interlocutors that yes, limbless orphans in Lesotho had it bad, but at least they had their freedom, unlike his good self”🤪🤣🤣
 
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Magnolia23

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Wait what??!

Oprah interview: we would back in a heartbeat...
Podcats now: he had to run away to break the horrible royal upbringing he had, for his kids and M..

Is he braindead?!
 
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freda19

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Didn't they say they won't speak anymore about the Royal Family at the end of the Oprah interview?

It's one thing to talk about mental health problems and so it is a complete other to compare your family as animals in a zoo or a Truman show. How can you heal family issues by bashing his family every few months? Privacy and time is absolutly needed with family matters of this kind. I can believe losing your mum in a car accident while the world is watching and the royal life to not be easy but he is not the only one to go through this. Somehow he is the only victim. He knows his father and his grandmother are grieving but doesn't matter - he abslolutly needs to put in their faces that he thinks they failed him. His own agenda matters to him much more than to mend with his own family.

He doesn't acknowledge any wrongdoing from his part. Maturing is also accepting that your parents are what they are. I have had my fair share of family issues - enough to engage myself in some inner work. But I know there is no need outside my therapist and my closed ones to disclosure all of this. Also I would never constantly blame my own family and make them feel shit. I know why they sometimes failed, I know they also didn't necessarily had the best childhood and that some of their behaviors probably steamed from that but I have learned to balance my relationship with my parents, to set up my boundaries and to take in charge my own trauma and my actions. I share my own experinece to explain that you can work on those issues without going in a constant fight with your family. I am all about personal wellbeing etc but it doesn't mean to accuse the others of all the bad things that happened to you.

And this lad moaning around is suppoed to give mental health advices?? First he would need to sort himself out.
In my opinion a lot of his anger over dead mummy is guilt. He admitted in the joint interview he did with Wills that the last time his mummypops phoned them (while she was off gallivanting on yachts) he didn't get to speak to her. When wills went off to fetch his bro to talk to mummy on the phone the brat refused to leave the soldier game he was playing in the grounds and dismissed Wills peremptorily. So wills had the last ever convo with mummy and lil baby brat missed out because even back then he was a selfish little cunt who put his own wants first, before duty or family.
That bloody Wills did it again! Left poor baby hazza in the shade and stole his thunder.😭😭😭
So yeah, I'd say a huge part of his anger is over that and the stories about Wills being mummy's confidant.

 
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planetmirth

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Just to point out when JCMH uses the phrase “genetic pain” what he actually meant to say is GENERATIONAL PAIN. That is the correct term but it’s Savant of Montecito so ....

I’m looking forward to his future lectures on Climax Change and Globule Warming , obviously interspersed with the monthly blame everyone else and trash your family interviews.
 
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a.squonk

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For royals trying to usurp your own family is practically tradition. William the Conqueror's sprogs, William and Robert, used to duke it out on the battlefields of Normandy until one of the bishops asked despairingly but where will you find another brother if you kill this one off? Elizabeth I and sister 'Bloody' Mary were hardly on Christmas card terms. Even Richard 'Quasi' III managed to stuff two of his nephews up a chimney somewhere, if the old stories are to be believed, and I do, because facts are boring.

I like to think all of Harry's ancestors are looking down on him completely bemused and just thinking what a big girl's blouse he is. If you're going to usurp your brother at least be upfront about it and do it properly. Also, ancestral pain?? Think your predecessors may know a thing or two about that. Half sister tried to set you on fire? Someone nicked your entire kingdom and your wife while you were making an alliance with the Flems? Assassination by lampreys? Harry, you don't know you're born. In the old days you'd have been pre-emptively beheaded by the middle child, or sent off on a Crusade wearing a 'Rule Brittania' t-shirt.

Sure, you want to wear the shiny hat and sit in the big chair and make your brother go and live in France. It's okay, just admit it. Stop watching the Crown and put the Lion in Winter on. Royal families have been doing this kind of thing for years, it's your version of a hobby. At least none of them tried to usurp their siblings by talking about their feelings. The absolute embarrassment of it.
 
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moody

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First post but I have been lurking for a while. I live in Norfolk and have come across through work many times with people that have worked with and know C&C and W&K, never have I heard one bad thing said about them. How PWB and her have had the amazing opportunity they have been gifted to them and so spectacularly thrown it away and made themselves appear worse and worse every time they try to do something really does defy logic. The only saving grace is, which I am sure was never the intention. Is that is has hilighted how good the rest of the family are. Everytime they open their mouths they dig a deeper hole and the contempt for them grows! How can you be that stupid! Anyway, just wanted to say how much I love these threads and I hope to contribute more because let's face it. Can't be that much longer before it goes spectacularly tits up!
 
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Thank you for the sparkly new thread! :love:

I've been thinking (dangerous, I know) about the whinging Princess Haz did on the podcast about his life, how the family are stuck, insinuating cruelty? abuse? from his father, etcetcetc, and the Swedish royals, in particular, those of the generation to Princess Haz, came to mind.

Carl Gustaf XVI has three children: Victoria, Carl Philip and Madeleine.
Agnatic primogeniture was law when Victoria (b. 1977) then Carl Philip (b. 1979) were born. Six months after Carl Philip's birth, Parliament voted through an amendment to the constitution, making primogeniture absolute and backdating the amendment, so Victoria became Crown Princess.
It is said Carl Gustaf was furious, and Carl Philip has been given appointments which traditionally were attached to the heir.
Victoria developed an eating disorder when she was a teenager and while in recovery, met Daniel (her now-husband) at his gym. Daniel is said to have aided her recovery. There was disapproval about this relationship, not least of which came from the king. A country-born gym owner/trainer? My pearls! Victoria and Daniel dated for eight years (rumours of a brief breakup a couple of years in) before finally being given approval to marry, which they did in 2010 (their wedding is a beautiful thing to watch). They have since had two children, Estelle (Victoria's heir) and Oscar.
Carl Philip dated a friend of his sister's for about a decade, before leaving her and getting together with a one-time reality star, Sofia, who had a nude photoshoot when she was a teenager in Asia (her parents travelled with her), kissed a porn star on television, made jokes about disabled people, wrote on a blog about how she and her then-boyfriend tried to convince the other to out of bed to see to the boyfriend's young child and so on. Sofia's image has had an overhaul since their marriage. They have three sweet little boys.
Madeleine was seen as a party princess, had many gossip columns devoted to her, following her every move and insinuating all sorts, and a broken engagement. She is married to Chris, a British-American businessman, and lives in Florida with their three children privately. Chris turned down a title upon marriage. It is said they were aware they wouldn't be needed with the oncoming generation, and Chris makes good money, so they were happy to do their own thing. She uses a public instagram, acknowledging birthdays of her children and the Swedish RF, important dates in the Swedish calendar, and works with Queen Silvia for the charity Childhood.

[I am aware I've left bits and pieces out, but trying to not write a thesis. Have also tried to be as accurate as I can, having been 'royal watching' the SRF since before 2010. If you're interested further, look them up. Victoria & Daniel are 😘]

Three royal children. The heir, who felt tremendous pressure and it is said was always made aware that she is only the CP because of parliamentary law, struggled with an eating disorder, found true love who stuck by her for years even while being given the cold shoulder by the court, has two adorable children and works tirelessly for her country, alongside Daniel. The then-spare, married someone who raised eyebrows in many quarters, now a tight little unit, working for the Family, and supporting their charities. The youngest, rose above what tabloids wrote of her, found love, moved across the world, and continues to support her family, both personally and professionally, and causes she cares deeply for.

Compare to Princess Haz.

He was petted by family members because he wasn't the heir, helped through school, helped into training at Sandhurst, military duties, worked with Sentebale, WellChild. When he indulged in drugs, drinking and the rest, it was covered up. He was looked after. He was given professional help. When he acted like a wanker, people would say "oh, it's our Haz", look at that cheeky grin. He had a way with older people, with children, with the military, which professionally was being put to good use. He was included in things with William and Catherine to ensure he wasn't out on a limb on his own. I see a family, who both privately and professionally did their best to help. Yes, Diana died at a tragically young age, but William lost his mother that day too.

I would dearly like to see Princess Haz in a room with the Swedes. They would be able to teach him a thing or two about duty, family, what it means to be royal and generally not being a wanker.
 
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Kezzle

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I totally agree with other posters that HW is behind all this sudden exposure of him, she couldn't handle all the negative focus on her so has probably encouraged him to speak his truth whilst knowingly throwing him under the bus to make herself look better. The pair of them are utterly vile. I am currently off sick with MH issues and to see him use it as a weapon is absolutely horrific. I will say though in a weird way it has helped me because for all my "issues" I am not half as fucked up as they are.
 
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MillicentMargaret

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This is basically the gist of the interview:

He was asked if he felt like he was in a "cage" while in his royal duties, having to make his way around the Commonwealth comforting others with a smile on his face, while he himself was also going through a rough time.

"It's the job right? Grin and bear it. Get on with it. I was in my early twenties and I was thinking I don't want this job, I don't want to be here," Prince Harry said. "I don't want to be doing this.'


So he's basically angry that he was born into privilege but actually had to do some work for it. And he still isn't renouncing his title. Even though Meghan told him he doesn't have to be a princess to have a happy life.

And It's all Daddy's fault.

Even the Vegas trip was because of his dead mother and problems with Daddy. Nothing is his fault.

He has now changed his story and instead of William getting him into therapy in his 20s apparently he didn't have any until he met Meghan and she saw how extreme his anger was. - Which is going to help her a lot in divorce court.

And for the link of a sugar complaining about DM targeting Harry who is a poor ickle veteran with mental health issues linked on the other thread, let us remind ourselves that this is what Harry thought of the war in Afghanistan:

The prince, who was in charge of firing the Apache's Hellfire air-to-surface missiles, rockets and 30mm gun, called his job a "joy" in interviews released on Monday.

"It's a joy for me because I'm one of those people who loves playing PlayStation and Xbox, so with my thumbs I like to think I'm probably quite useful," he said.


Which prompted the Taliban to say this:

"I think he has a mental problem, that's why he is saying it is a game," he said. "These kind of people live like diplomats in Afghanistan, they can't risk themselves by standing against the mujahideen."

It's 100% clear he was given special treatment in the army but he claims to have just been one of the lads.
 
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Charles not loving his family :rolleyes:
I know what I think.

I did a quick Google, inspired by your finds. It is truly heart wrenching to see the awful relationship between father and son. The closed off body language, the oppressive, tense atmosphere. Poor Haz. How terribly he suffered. However he managed to not be in tears and obviously traumatised in front of the cameras is beyond this simple soul. What a deeply courageous, magnificent warrior he is, our Princess Haz!

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ahtisyourself

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Just following on from a comment on the other thread where someone said they feel Meghan will accuse Harry of abuse down the line. I feel like the groundwork is already being laid for such an accusation, him saying yesterday Meghan told him to get therapy as he was “angry”. Who knows, maybe she encouraged him to say that so in a few years she can be like “I had to ask him to get help for his anger problems”..
She is a completely unhinged gone girl. She has the whole thing planned out
 
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