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Mel Bs child now is a trans man.
Isn’t one of Emma Bs too.

What’s with all these celebrities children ??
I would say attention, trauma and being in the shadow of somebody objectified/celebrated for their looks and the pressure that comes with it. oh and being heavily encouraged by the famous parent to show off how interesting they are.
 
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Bit behind but after seeing the flag post, I had to look up Veldian meant and ended up finding a LGBTQ++++ wiki which basically makes out that everyone (and I mean Everyone) comes under the alphabet rainbow and has their own flag...
Including 'straights' and children. It would be funny if it wasn't so disturbing

It did remind me of the quote in the Incredibles though ' When everyone is special, no one is special'
If we call come under it, they can stop these stupid days or months where they're celebrated then.
 
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I’m genuinely gutted about Simone Biles. What a stupid, stupid woman.
I was going to watch her documentary on Netflix last night. Thank God I didn't. She can duck off now. I won't watch it.
 
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Simone biles turning out to be a woman who decides to “try” and body shame someone and comment on their looks really wasn’t what I expected.
didn’t she do a body positivity campaign because she gets comments about her muscles a lot?
ironic
 
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I do find the USA view difficult at times, it's generally pro choice and TWAW, or pro life and TWAM, but I've come to be able to accept it, so long as we don't discuss the abortion issue.
I'm very pro choice:
As soon as possible, as late as necessary, for any reason, for any woman, at any time.
 
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Oh god, the topless lads are at it again.



Edit: why the hell is Tattle converting X links so they don’t bloody work?!

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I know I should be putting an angry emoji but I had to put the laughing emoji.
Ffs. Seriously.
MAN? um, durr, yes you bleeping are.
I just can't believe we are here at this point in history. But here we are nonetheless.
Men, horrible men, not the nice men, want to dominate women. Especially little girls. It's been a long slog but we are at the point where normal people have reached the point of insanity where we tolerate horrible men pretending to have boobs and let them strip off to let them prove they should have access to the safe space of vulnerable women.
What the actual duck is happening?
 
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A maths teacher fired by a college for refusing to use the name and pronouns of a trans student has been granted an appeal against a tribunal decision that ruled he was not unfairly dismissed.


Last year, the employment tribunal rejected an unfair dismissal claim from Kevin Lister, a teacher at New College Swindon from August 2020 until September 2022, who was found to have discriminated against a trans student and refused to comply with the college’s policy on gender.


The case will now be heard at an employment appeal tribunal after a judge ruled there were “arguable points as to the boundary between belief and manifestation” of belief under the 2010 Equality Act, and “unqualified rights to hold a belief” under the European Convention on Human Rights.


According to one legal expert the appeal outcome could have ramifications for all employers in education.


At a preliminary hearing last week Judge Beard labelled the appeal as “complex and raising point(s) of law of public importance”.


New College Swindon said it was “disappointed” with the appeal decision but remained “confident” its actions were “fair, justified, and did not amount to discrimination”.


Specialist employment lawyer Joanne Moseley from Irwin Mitchell told FE Week she had witnessed a growing number of incidents relating to conflicts of belief and freedom of expression.


She said: “I’ve seen many policies, including in the education sector, which don’t do enough to address and balance the needs of trans people protected under the gender-reassignment provisions of the Equality Act with the needs and rights of those protected under different protected characteristics, such as religion or belief and sex.”


The appeal comes after a significant Supreme Court ruling in April which ruled the legal definition of a woman is based on biological sex"
 
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A maths teacher fired by a college for refusing to use the name and pronouns of a trans student has been granted an appeal against a tribunal decision that ruled he was not unfairly dismissed.


Last year, the employment tribunal rejected an unfair dismissal claim from Kevin Lister, a teacher at New College Swindon from August 2020 until September 2022, who was found to have discriminated against a trans student and refused to comply with the college’s policy on gender.


The case will now be heard at an employment appeal tribunal after a judge ruled there were “arguable points as to the boundary between belief and manifestation” of belief under the 2010 Equality Act, and “unqualified rights to hold a belief” under the European Convention on Human Rights.


According to one legal expert the appeal outcome could have ramifications for all employers in education.


At a preliminary hearing last week Judge Beard labelled the appeal as “complex and raising point(s) of law of public importance”.


New College Swindon said it was “disappointed” with the appeal decision but remained “confident” its actions were “fair, justified, and did not amount to discrimination”.


Specialist employment lawyer Joanne Moseley from Irwin Mitchell told FE Week she had witnessed a growing number of incidents relating to conflicts of belief and freedom of expression.


She said: “I’ve seen many policies, including in the education sector, which don’t do enough to address and balance the needs of trans people protected under the gender-reassignment provisions of the Equality Act with the needs and rights of those protected under different protected characteristics, such as religion or belief and sex.”


The appeal comes after a significant Supreme Court ruling in April which ruled the legal definition of a woman is based on biological sex"
Very interesting indeed. Particularly the comment about having seen "many" policies that prioritise (I know it doesn't say this directly, but it's implicit isn't it?) gender ideology over other protected characteristics.

Note how she specifically says "gender reassignment" which is the actual protected characteristic, rather than "gender identity", which is meaningless.

The law has been misinterpreted for so long (thank, Stonewall) that people have assumed themselves to have a protected characteristic when they don't. Take note, "non binary" fuckwits.
 
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I would say attention, trauma and being in the shadow of somebody objectified/celebrated for their looks and the pressure that comes with it. oh and being heavily encouraged by the famous parent to show off how interesting they are.
You’re spot on. Mel B’s daughter has had a pretty rough childhood, what with her biological father denying her and her stepfather being an abusive b. Her mum is a bit… chaotic. No wonder she wants to delete herself and start afresh.
 
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Very interesting indeed. Particularly the comment about having seen "many" policies that prioritise (I know it doesn't say this directly, but it's implicit isn't it?) gender ideology over other protected characteristics.

Note how she specifically says "gender reassignment" which is the actual protected characteristic, rather than "gender identity", which is meaningless.

The law has been misinterpreted for so long (thank, Stonewall) that people have assumed themselves to have a protected characteristic when they don't. Take note, "non binary" fuckwits.

The protected characteristic of ‘gender reassignment’ might as well be ‘gender identity’ since it covers such a broad definition that pretty much anyone could claim discrimination under this protection. If we must have it as one of the protected characteristics, I think it needs to be tightened so that it refers only to people who have undergone surgery. At least that would weed out some of the AGPs and cross-dessers

In the Equality Act, gender reassignment means proposing to undergo, undergoing or having undergone a process to reassign your sex.

To be protected from gender reassignment discrimination, you do not need to have undergone any medical treatment or surgery to change from your birth sex to your preferred gender.

You can be at any stage in the transition process, from proposing to reassign your sex, undergoing a process of reassignment, or having completed it. It does not matter whether or not you have applied for or obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate, which is the document that confirms the change of a person's legal sex.


 
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The protected characteristic of ‘gender reassignment’ might as well be ‘gender identity’ since it covers such a broad definition that pretty much anyone could claim discrimination under this protection. If we must have it as one of the protected characteristics, I think it needs to be tightened so that it refers only to people who have undergone surgery. At least that would weed out some of the AGPs and cross-dessers

In the Equality Act, gender reassignment means proposing to undergo, undergoing or having undergone a process to reassign your sex.

To be protected from gender reassignment discrimination, you do not need to have undergone any medical treatment or surgery to change from your birth sex to your preferred gender.

You can be at any stage in the transition process, from proposing to reassign your sex, undergoing a process of reassignment, or having completed it. It does not matter whether or not you have applied for or obtained a Gender Recognition Certificate, which is the document that confirms the change of a person's legal sex.


It's so ill defined and that's been taken advantage of. "You don't have to have done anything at all to meet this criteria" is just meaningless.

I guess now is where case law and precedent comes in after the Supreme Court Ruling.
 
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They had no sympathy when women said they were concerned or felt threatened.If a woman raised this as an issue they were told they were hysterical and they could easily self exclude from situations they didn't like.

Male violence and entitlement has always been the issue and it still is. Work on addressing that
 
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The Mail is carrying an ‘exclusive’ about Mel B’s daughter Angel ‘living as a trans man’. Two things struck me about the article. Firstly, although Angel is referred to using he/him a couple of times, the Mail mainly just uses ‘Angel’ when talking about her. Further on in the piece, Mel is described as ‘the mother of three daughters’; there is no reference to Angel as a ‘son’ anywhere that I could see. What I did find disturbing though was this picture of Angel as an 11 year old:

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I’m not buying that the colour/pattern of her outfit and the slogan are a coincidence. It seems to suggest that she hasn’t just recently decided that she is ‘trans’, but rather has been transed as a much younger child.

 
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I'm still not 100% sure that all these made up genders aren't some kind of performance art stunt. Seeing how cross some of us get about it and how naive people are to identify as some of these things.

At some point I have visions of some 14 year old nerd just going "Well of course I made it up. And you all believed it. You actually all believed it. I kept adding more and more ridiculous imaginary identities and you all lapped it up. You lot over there thinking you could actually identify as Tetrisgender and it means something deep. And you lot over there getting really bleeping mad about them being able to identify as Tetrisgender. You're all bleeping idiots. I did enjoy playing with the colours and designing the flags though."
So true.
I'm 100% sure that made up pronouns as well as made up "identities" is 100% attention seeking.
Partly on purpose for people and goggles, partly thanks to some kind of mental health condition.
 
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Does she not get the irony she's the bully. If she's so bothered about including trans people in sports, why doesn't she actually do something about it. Name calling on social media isn't going to do anything.
She knows that as a gymnast, she's relatively safe from men wanting to compete in her sport since within the different disciplines that females perform (the balance beam, the uneven bars, and probably even the floor, to an extent) women tit all over men thanks to their flexibility.
And conversely there's no way that a TIW would be competitive in men's disciplines like the rings.
So she's 'safe'. And can't give any ducks about other sports that women are getting screwed over in thanks to men's biological advantage.
 
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A male gymnast can’t do huge chunks of what a female gymnast can and vice versa.

Exactly.

It's one of the few disciplines where women actually have an advantage. Which is probably why mediocre TiM gymnasts aren't rushing to invade the sport.
I really need to read through all comments here before posting what I think are revolutionary comments of my own! 😂

I was beaten to my gymnastics comment by @FourSeasonSoupObsessive and @TheMiceInTheShed ❤
 
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Snap! 😂 (sorry, posted before I spotted you’d already apologised on behalf of all of us!)
I can only assume that all the water falling from the sky is nature crying at the Supreme Court ruling 😭

If we must have it as one of the protected characteristics, I think it needs to be tightened so that it refers only to people who have undergone surgery.
Yep it's a bleeping joke. How can a piece of legislation being written in such a wishy washy manner? I've always warned of this at work, that theoretically John could show up one day, say the magic words "I'm a lady now" and be covered by the PC of gender reassignment. I know they didn't expect the explosion in numbers of ✨special✨ ladies showing up but how the duck did this bull get pushed through? (I mean I know it's because men are entitled and get what they want, but who thought this was a good idea?)
 
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They had no sympathy when women said they were concerned or felt threatened.If a woman raised this as an issue they were told they were hysterical and they could easily self exclude from situations they didn't like.

Male violence and entitlement has always been the issue and it still is. Work on addressing that
McCloud lives in Ireland now. Last I checked, that wasn’t in the UK, so how does he think he has standing to bring this challenge? Never mind the rest of the legal arguments that make his case so flimsy, he’s going to get Maughamed out the gate because he doesn’t have the right to bring this case.

I mean, I don’t care that he’ll lose, but you’d think he would- a judge not understanding the basics of the legal system is a bit cringe. But presumably he’s running in circles now that just blow smoke about how stunning and brave he is.
 
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