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I see a few people on twitter (obviously including Willoughby) have seized on what they think is a very clever 'gotcha' argument.
The Pope, actually called Robert, now calls himself Leo 'and nobody minds do they? So why does anyone care if Steve calls himself Poppy-Rose? Eh? Eh?'
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It would be a real gotcha if the Pope was to now declare himself a woman and wanted to be known as Lea, using female pronouns and female spaces.

As it is, no-one minds him following convention and using a different male name.
 
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Blend into the background? Because women aren't complaining in changing rooms or toilets it doesn't mean you “pass” as a woman. Its because we are socially conditioned to be accepting and fearful of men, something that trans can't conceive because they are part of the patriarchal problem.
Also nobody matters except them and how they feel. Big hulking blokes crying because a teenage girl doesn't want to play contact sports against them. Whinging because somebody called them sir when most people would laugh it off. I mean, if being misgendered happens enough times that you get upset about it, surely that's a clue that you aren't a woman?

PS My husband misgendered our female cat by calling her buddy, she just carried on washing her bum like a boss.
 
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Bear in mind how hard it is to actually pass as a man. I know a lot of masculine women including a few transmen (interestingly, at 5'6" I'm taller than all of the latter) and not a single one of them passes as a man. One of them has done a pretty good job of hiding her mastectomy scars with tattoos (I saw when she posted a selfie at the men’s pond in Hampstead Heath) and maybe you'd be fooled in some pics, but in person she's built like a bird and has a higher voice than I have and I sing mezzo soprano. She also just doesn't act or move like a man.
 
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Aimee Murphy, a trans woman who chairs Dublin City Council’s LGBTQ+ staff support network, said if polls asked “should trans people be allowed into shared spaces” or “has a trans woman ever caused you a problem in a shared space”, she believed the answer would be no.
She added: “We are women and blend into the background.”
I'm going to stop you right there 'Aimee' - no you fcuking aren't, and you never will be. And you shouldn't be referred to as she either.
 
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They never blend into the background 😂 and even if they did, they can't help announcing their transness, their oppression etc so we'd absolutely 100% know they are not what they say they are
No they never do but they think they do, they are warped, their magic mirrors are working overtime.
 
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It would be a real gotcha if the Pope was to now declare himself a woman and wanted to be known as Lea, using female pronouns and female spaces.

As it is, no-one minds him following convention and using a different male name.
This is where the inherent misogyny of gender ideology is blatantly apparent, as there’s no way a woman, or even someone pretending to be a woman, would ever be considered eligible for head of the Catholic Church.

Sure, they can wear dresses and call themselves a made-up name, but it’s always going to be a boys’ club
 
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Re the Darlington nurse who was sexually abused, did anyone read the comments under the article?
One in particular referred to the gynaecological procedure that she needed. The person asked if her gynaecologist was a male, and then said they would assume it was (because she didn't say anything to the contrary in the article), and how was she fine with dealing with a male in that instance but not with having "Rose" in the operating theatre.
How bleeping dare they!
 
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Re the Darlington nurse who was sexually abused, did anyone read the comments under the article?
One in particular referred to the gynaecological procedure that she needed. The person asked if her gynaecologist was a male, and then said they would assume it was (because she didn't say anything to the contrary in the article), and how was she fine with dealing with a male in that instance but not with having "Rose" in the operating theatre.
How bleeping dare they!
I had to google Rose, Jesus wept there's nothing remotely feminine about that one.
 
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This is absolutely appalling. No one with any sense of compassion would insist that her operation would go ahead with this member of staff on the ops rota.
Gynae procedures are stressful enough but this is putting the patient under considerably more stress and potentially trauma, due to her past abuse. It's the worse form of bullying. I'm so angry on her behalf.


Unfortunately female patients' concerns aren't always listened to. Hysteroscopies, where a small camera is passed through the cervix to observe the uterus, are usually done without any pain relief. Apparently it's because of some terrible research that claimed the cervix doesn't have any nerve endings!!!
I've had two and all I was offered was paracetamol - it's the most pain I've ever experienced. It's barbaric. Staff made me feel bad if you don't have it done there and then as 'it will be a long wait'. The third time I needed one I flat out refused unless I had it under GA or with an epidural. I had to wait 18 months for an appointment but in the end my consultant felt I no longer needed it to be done as my symptoms had cleared up.
it's the most pain I've ever experienced.

I had a hysteroscopy about 6 months ago. Practice must vary from trust to trust, because I was warned that it would be very painful and offered either a GA or local anaesthetic. I opted for the latter even though I was warned that it was only partially effective, as I didn't want to have to wait in recovery time etc. The team of five were all women. They were lovely - vey considerate. Even with the local anaesthetic injected, it was a very painful procedure indeed. The camera bit was OK, but they took five biopsies and I. felt every one of them! I don't think I could have borne it without pain relief - it doesn't surprise me that it was the worst pain you have ever experienced. Even with numbing it was horrendous. I certainly would never have chosen to have a second one with no anaesthetic.

Your Trust is appalling behaving the way it did. I hadn't realised how lucky I was with mine.
 
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I had that done recently, the consultant was excellent and spoke to me before the procedure about pain relief. They had gas and air that I could ask for at any time, and also said if that wasn't enough they could stop and I could be sedated. There were three people in the room, all female. One nurse spoke to me throughout and I was asked every few minutes whether I was okay and wanted pain relief. I thought that was standard practice, I'm sorry to hear it isn't. 😞

These men who think putting on a dress makes them women really have no idea what women face every bloody day. I will never understand why women support them so much.
Very similar to my experience. I also had a "keep-you-calm" nurse who held my hand throughout and reassured me.
 
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It's called the Transman Gotcha and it is fully addressed in the SC ruling. If they really do pass as men then they can legally be excluded.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/the-truth-about-toilets/

[COLOR=%s]"Is the Supreme Court forcing a person who has taken extreme steps to look like a man to use the ladies’ toilets or saying that they have a right to?
The answer is no. Women who look convincingly like men and who go into the women’s toilets are likely to be just as alarming to women as actual men. They would have to explain themselves, providing personal information that they might not want to share (and that other people might not want to know).
Therefore it may not be practically possible for some trans-identifying women to use the ladies’ toilets.
The Supreme Court says that it is lawful to exclude them (at paragraph 221):

But this does not mean they have a right to use the men’s toilets, from which they are excluded by rule. Men also have a right to privacy and dignity.
This does create a difficulty for a person who has taken extreme steps to modify their body. It will become difficult for them to navigate sex-separated spaces. This is their dilemma. It should be explained to a person seeking to modify their body in this way that they will have to live with this practical difficulty, and that other people have rights. Doctors should stop offering the use of opposite-sex spaces as a test or a goal."
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What they do after that is really their problem. If you take excessive steps to disguise yourself, then don't cry when you do manage to fool some people.
I agree with everything you have said - but I would really like to see these women who convincingly look like men. TIFs are usually too short and slight to 'pass' as men, proportions and gait are female, even subtle differences like eyes, hands, necks and posture are unmistakably female.
Women can effect a masculine look in a posed pic, but not irl.

Having said all that, a few months back, I posted on the Traitors thread that Alex?? was a TIF - cue shocked reactions from some posters that didn't believe me 🤷‍♀️
 
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Re the Darlington nurse who was sexually abused, did anyone read the comments under the article?
One in particular referred to the gynaecological procedure that she needed. The person asked if her gynaecologist was a male, and then said they would assume it was (because she didn't say anything to the contrary in the article), and how was she fine with dealing with a male in that instance but not with having "Rose" in the operating theatre.
How bleeping dare they!
We have no idea what sex the gyanecologist was but lets say he was male and every other person in the theatre was male too. It still wouldn't be a gotcha that she should have been alright with "Rose" because none of them have displayed fetishistic behaviour and tried to see this woman undressed for sexual or power reasons.
 
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Having said all that, a few months back, I posted on the Traitors thread that Alex?? was a TIF - cue shocked reactions from some posters that didn't believe me 🤷‍♀️
I kept waiting for that to be revealed, it was so obvious
 
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Still banging the drum on changing rooms. Was in Primark on Friday and they only had Mens and All Genders fitting rooms available. Have emailed their head office quoting the ruling and copied in my very terfy MP. Husband thinks I’ve finally lost it, keeps saying it’s just shops but I am enraged.

I could weep for poor Karen, hope that NHS trust, along with Fife, are hung out to dry.
 
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A TRA’s checkmate is often posting a photo of a particularly masculine looking trans-man and say “so you want THIS PERSON in your ladies bathrooms?”

What do you say to that?
I saw a great response on X - ‘ I am a tall adult female - 5’11’ - I will be glad to push the button on the hand dryer for them’

They are always 5 ft nothing with wide hips and a wispy beard, the angles they show on Facebook are v deceiving.
 
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I'm gonna suggest "Debbie" Hayton - who campaigned for male teachers to use female toilets, and for cross dressers to be able to have different identities on different days - in a school! And who STILL makes school children call him "Miss".

He's making children play into his fetish.
I was trying to remember this name, but yes - this is the one I thought of, too. Always they smug little sneery smirk.
 
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At least this is promising...
An Ireland Thinks/Sunday Independent poll shows a large majority in Ireland agree with the UK Supreme Court judgment. The ruling may restrict the rights of transgender people in the UK to access certain schools, toilets, changing rooms and affect whether they can play sports which are divided by sex.
The poll asked: “Do you agree with the recent judgment of the UK Supreme Court that the legal definition of a woman is based on biological sex?”
Seventy per cent agreed, 20pc disagreed and 10pc answered “don’t know”.


Also from the article...
Aimee Murphy, a trans woman who chairs Dublin City Council’s LGBTQ+ staff support network, said if polls asked “should trans people be allowed into shared spaces” or “has a trans woman ever caused you a problem in a shared space”, she believed the answer would be no.
She added: “I can understand there is a different view on sports as issues of fairness arise. But in terms of using toilets of dressing rooms, I do not think blanket bans on trans people are possible.
“It’s not about men trying to get into female spaces. Using female toilets, which are cubicles, is what’s normal for trans women. We are women and blend into the background.”


Doesn't matter if a transwoman has never caused ME a problem, I don't want him in the dressing room with me or my daughter or on the hospital ward with me or my daughter. Men do not belong in women's spaces, 'Aimee' regardless of what they think or feel or present.
We . . . blend into the background.”

My lily-white a they do! :mad:

Just because women are intimidated into not objecting, it doesn't mean that these men go unnoticed.
 
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