Gender Discussion #74

[Scotch Mist]

Someone I know said their daughter works for a charity where a woman who works there identifies as a they/them.
Apparently the daughter accidentally said 'she' in a meeting when referring to this person (when the they/them wasn't present). She then got a pile on from colleagues for misgendering
I said that they were using self righteousness to disguise their bullying of the daughter. There's no need to behave like that towards a colleague for a simple mistake.
Charities seem to be full of these people bullying everyone. What a terrible industry to work in
The daughter is apparently looking for another job now.

 

[Weebles Wobble]

I recently watched a video by Menno, where he mentioned that - as a very young, gay man - he sought out the company of other gay men to socialise with as he navigated the world as a gay adult.

That lead me to think of all the times most of us (men and women) seek out the company of a particular group. It may be a hobby or an interest we have, or we may want to hang out with our own age group. It doesn't necessarily involve anything private, nor are we asking for advice. We simply want to spend a couple of hours with other people that we have something in common with.

And in order to create such a group, we are excluding all the people who don't share our interest or are the wrong age etc. Being excluded is part of life. (Of course, I'm not talking about being excluded because of disability or race - that's unacceptable).

Most of us wouldn't want to muscle in on a group that we have no interest in or connection to. We're very unlikely to be able to contribute anything meaningful to discussions and would probably find the whole experience tedious and boring.

If we then consider support groups, again the majority of people are excluded from each one as the focus is on one aspect of life. And again, most people don't want to muscle into a support group that they're excluded from.

Even as a woman (you know, the XX type) I wouldn't expect to access all women groups. I'm older, so wouldn't try to join a group for breastfeeding, or young mothers for example. And if I turned up at such a group by mistake, I'd apologise and leave - not be offended at being "excluded" or insist on remaining.

The conclusion I came to is that every person who lives in a community moves in and out of groups throughout their life and at the same time is also excluded from other groups. TIMs being excluded from women-only groups is simply part of this cycle.

Why is it always TIMs pushing in where they're not wanted? Why don't we hear of TIFs trying to muscle in to male groups to discuss - say - prostate problems? (We all know the answer ).

Must go, I need to check to see if I'm in the winners list for an art competition I entered. It was for ages 5 - 8 years so I stand a good chance.

Woah! I've been disqualified for being too old! I've been excluded! Agephobia - sign my petition to support me!

 

[moldwarp]

Just innocently scrolling through instagram and got this absolute jump scare! I can’t link the video as I’m a dinosaur, but the demure bride wore a pink trouser suit with the jacket open and only a white bra underneath for the reception….classy

Does anyone remember the British horror comedy show The League of Gentlemen and the cannibalistic, inbred couple, who kept the local shop for local people? Tubbs & Edward? ...Yeah. THAT.
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I’ve been really enjoying the eloquence of your posts, I can’t always articulate what I’m thinking on these things. Are you secretly JKR incognito?

Aw thank you. I wish. Nah I'm just a creaky post-menopausal bad tempered old bat who stopped giving a duck about men's feelings about the time that oestrogen finally left my body and am now enjoying the freedom of finally saying all the things I used to keep inside my own head in case it upset DA MENZ

 

[Mismatched Pegs]

Lefty wokebros hate women. On the left you are grouped as oppressors or oppressed. Women in most cultures are oppressed which is evidence that men are oppressors which goes against their high opinions of themselves and so they hate them.

Yeah at least the misogyny of the right is overt. You know where you are with them. On the left they cloak it with inclusion and actually think they're the good guys. bleeps.

 

[Princess She-Ra]

Same with champagne socialist women- duck the Patriarchy, not all men but always men etc. but as soon as it’s a man that feels like a woman, in you come Dave, are so stunning and brave, twaw 🫠

 

[moldwarp]

Same with champagne socialist women- duck the Patriarchy, not all men but always men etc. but as soon as it’s a man that feels like a woman, in you come Dave, are so stunning and brave, twaw 🫠

Ah they really duck me off. Caitlin Moran, Lauren Laverne and all those types. It's a class thing - working class, unwaged and vulnerable women are by virtue of their societal status most likely to be badly affected by TRA madness - in NHS wards, young mums groups, prisons, blue collar jobs, shelters etc etc.

The posh women are less affected because they work in non-physical jobs and have sufficient social capital to be able to get away with dying their hair blue and shouting socialist slogans (whilst obviously keeping their huge home in Kentish Town and of course their little pied a terre in Italy, dahhhhling). They can pay lipservice to TWAW and keep their lovely North London dinner party invites because they are unlikely ever to encounter a socioeconomic situation where predatory TRAs are actually a real and present danger.

 

[Platformcrocs]

Someone I know said their daughter works for a charity where a woman who works there identifies as a they/them.
Apparently the daughter accidentally said 'she' in a meeting when referring to this person (when the they/them wasn't present). She then got a pile on from colleagues for misgendering
I said that they were using self righteousness to disguise their bullying of the daughter. There's no need to behave like that towards a colleague for a simple mistake.
Charities seem to be full of these people bullying everyone. What a terrible industry to work in
The daughter is apparently looking for another job now.

Very much bullying. I had DE&I workshop earlier this year and had reservations about it - still do, there was no mention of sex-based discrimination, only gender-based - but the workshop facilitator made an interesting point. They said it isn't about policing people's language because generally, most people have good intentions and using the "wrong" word doesn't mean you are discriminating against someone. What this person's daughter said is not offensive or discriminatory in the slightest.

This is John Oliver spitting feathers

Massive ick. What's he getting all hysterical for?

 

[Princess She-Ra]

I had been following a woman on insta who is a period and digital wellness educator. She was creating amazing info for teens, period health, woman’s circles and normalising sober socialising. But then she posted about “trans awareness week” and I immediately unfollowed. I just don’t get it- you know what a woman is!

 

[usefullyuseless]

Women are not allowed to have anything for themselves

 

[DoraMaar]

I have never agreed with this woman - but this is how to deal with the madness.
For context, McBride is a man who has been elected by the Democratic party in the state of Delaware (Biden country)

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

This is an interesting thread about Tim McBride and how his transition catapaulted him from nobody to stratospheric success

 

[cosey_nunt]

Women are not allowed to have anything for themselves

agreed 110%

 

[Funny_bunny]

Inclusivity demands from TIM to my mind is all about them either getting sexually aroused or else wanting to intrude in matters of no concern to them, just to cause discomfort, and yes, prevent women having anything just for themselves.
Anyone born male has zero to contribute to discussions on periods, gynae problems, pregnancy, childbirth etc and has no business wanting to be included. Life, by its nature isn’t inclusive. People should not be excluded on basis or race, disability etc, but there’s so many things that are targeted at people with certain interests, life experiences and so on. I wouldn’t want to be in a group discussing prostate problems as I don’t have one, and it’s inappropriate. These TIM, TRA, bleeping stupid handmaidens that think that men can decide to be women and must be included in everything are just enabling female discomfort. Nothing more.

 

[rainbowlemon]

From the Korean spa case. "Vaginally presenting".


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Of course we want these men in bathrooms with vulnerable woman.

Spoiler: Violence against women

 

[emmer_moans]

This is an interesting thread about Tim McBride and how his transition catapaulted him from nobody to stratospheric success

That second pic looks photshop or AI ain't convincin' me, Tim!

 

[CookieZippy]

Fellow TERFs, can you help me out? What was the story with that time Owen Jones was bullying a 14 year old girl online for wrongthink? Any links I could use to shut a TRA up? Or links to anything that shows how clearly he hates women?

 

[Miss Begotten]

OK so I need some ideas.
How are you all planning on presenting your vaginas?
As it’s almost Christmas I’m torn between a simple yet stylish sprig of mistletoe and some sparkly flashing lights with just a touch of tinsel, to keep things classy.

 

[usefullyuseless]

This is an interesting thread about Tim McBride and how his transition catapaulted him from nobody to stratospheric success

He's a dead ringer for Sid from Ice Age

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

He's a dead ringer for Sid from Ice Age

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OMG! I knew he reminded me of someone

thank you .

 

[Mismatched Pegs]

Fellow TERFs, can you help me out? What was the story with that time Owen Jones was bullying a 14 year old girl online for wrongthink? Any links I could use to shut a TRA up? Or links to anything that shows how clearly he hates women?

I don't have links but this might help you find something. From memory a girl was pretty much bullied out of school for saying something hateful like men aren't women and LOJ (possible murderer) was trying to get girls from the school to tell their side of the story and caused a big of a pile on. Sorry can't help more than that, I am old and tired.
A simple link to his Twitter will show he hates women (again, unhelpful sorry)