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Summerday

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Imane Khalif was born female. Presumably with all the genitalia and body parts and functions that go with someone who has that has that on their birth certificate. She is not transgender, she's literally from a country were she'd be locked up in prison if she was.

Two cisgender women took part in a boxing match and people have lost their minds because they feel one of them looks man-ish leading to reports from a dubious source that she was tested and found to have XY chromosomes and a slightly higher level of testosterone than average for a woman...none of which makes her a man anyway.
Cis is a slur.

He was not born female. He's a male with a genetic abnormality. No one is saying he's trans.

You need to explain why he dropped his appeal of the IBA decision. If he were actually female, he would've appealed the IBA decision and won the case and none of this would be happening. So, why didn't he? Because when a person makes an appeal the results of their chromosomal test are made public. Kind of hard to insist on competing in women's boxing when the entire world knows exactly which chromosomal anomaly you have.
 
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VeniVidiVicki

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I posted about this on Facebook too. A couple of people have told me I’m horrible. Fuck them frankly.

The idea that Angela Carini pulled out of a fight she’s wanted to compete in her whole life after 45 seconds because she’s a bit wet or something is also really really offensive.
 
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SkippyDoo

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I have said it before and I will say it again that this is cheating. On top of that, it’s genuinely dangerous in a contact sport like boxing. Anyone who supports this does not give two hoots about fairness in sport or women’s safety.
 
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Scotch Mist

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I made a post about the vile boxing event on Facebook and not a single one of my female friends liked it or commented. The only responses I got were from men that I know supporting me. WTF is wrong with these idiot handmaidens? I guess most of them are just ignoring me now. I feel like unfriending the bloody lot of them 😕
 
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KOC2289

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Imagine training hard for years, to be physically fit and excel at your sport that you are given a chance to represent your country at the Olympics, just for a guy who identifies as a woman to ruin it for you. How devastating for these women. We should all be outraged and ashamed that this has been allowed to happen. Fuck women’s safety for the feelings of men. The world has gone cray cray.
 
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Dinate

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Poor Angela Carini has now apologised to Khelif for her reaction after the fight yesterday saying if the IOC said she was eligible to fight then she respects that. Carini apparently also regrets not shaking Khelif's hand after the match and says if she meets her again, she'll 'embrace her'.


Of course, I am 100% sure that Carini has said this without prompting and that there has been absolutely no outside pressure on her, including threats and trolling on social media. Yup, 100% sure that these are her true feelings:rolleyes:
 
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Tofino

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I’ve been out this afternoon and knew something had gone down when I saw 5+ pages in less than two hours but it’s taken me ages to catch up!

some absolutely wonderful, articulate posts by amazing women on this thread. Actually I was slowed down by the amount of ❤ reactions I had to give.

Honestly I can’t believe anyone can look at all those pictures of Khelif and think ‘butch female’. He looks nothing like a butch female. He looks like a man in every way.

I’m devastated to see what Angela has come out with today. I’ve no doubt in my mind she is being pressured by higher ups, most likely men, to do this. Look at the language the IOC used in their statements yesterday to defend these two male boxers. And people wonder why women won’t make a stand? Look what happens when you do. She didn’t even ask for any of this. I presume somewhere down the line it was luck of the draw she ended up having to fight a man.

And if anyone is sitting here still unsure whether Khelif is male or female - if there is any doubt, why should a woman be put at risk of serious injury or death just because we feel sorry for an individual we are unsure about? If there is any uncertainty, he/she should be suspended from competing until it can be proven scientifically one way or another.

Why is even basic safeguarding of women’s safety being put aside for the benefit of one or two individuals? Hurt feelings should never override physical safety.
 
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Tofino

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I did just put this on the womanhood and injustices thread but there will be a woman somewhere in Algeria and one in Taiwan whose Olympic dreams were never realised because these men were chosen to represent their country on the women’s team instead.
 
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Mismatched Pegs

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Can I just thank the usual lovelies on this tiny corner of the cesspit that is the internet. I've found all this stuff really upsetting and rage inducing but the knowledgeable and hilarious posters here are keeping me sane. I stopped posting here for a while because I needed a break from all the gender bollocks but I'm back and so grateful to you all 🖤

And if you show up on a thread where plenty of women who actually know what they're talking about and plop your ill-informed nonsense with complete authority, without actually bothering to read the thread or any of the links provided, you're a twat. To steal a phrase from the other side 👏Educate👏yourself 👏
 
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Tofino

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Ooh the "narcissistic rage" is so on the button.

People seem to view stating facts as "literal" violence but turn a blind eye to the actual physical threats and assaults to women. It's all "be kind" toxicity until you ask a question or disagree and then you are a brain dead bigot who deserves to die.
the IOC behaviour is also like a darvo response. Deny the problem, attack those condemning them, reverse the roles of attacker and victim.

The men beating women for sport are now the victims here.

And you’re right, the nastiest attacks (usually towards women) often come from the bekind and inclusive brigade.
 
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ahtisyourself

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Funny how the same mob who spent years telling us “what’s between your legs doesn’t determine your gender” are the same ones now shouting “she has a vagina! She was born female! She’s a woman!!”
 
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WonkeyDonkey

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From BBC article

Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni told Italian media: "It matters to be able to compete on equal grounds and from my point of view it was not an even contest."

Khelif, who has lost nine times during her 50-fight career, told BBC Sport: "I'm here for the gold - I fight everybody."

Why doesn't he fight the men then?????
 
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MmmB777

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My husband laughing next to me and said “a pole vaulter did his jump but knocked the pole off with his penis”
Me “was it in the men’s or the women’s”

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JAR21

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Imane Khalif was born female. Presumably with all the genitalia and body parts and functions that go with someone who has that has that on their birth certificate. She is not transgender, she's literally from a country were she'd be locked up in prison if she was.

Two cisgender women took part in a boxing match and people have lost their minds because they feel one of them looks man-ish.
He was NOT born female. He was born male with deformed genitalia.
 
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Satisfying Click

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Ero salita sul ring per combattere. Non mi sono arresa, ma un pugno mi ha fatto troppo male e dunque ho detto basta
I had entered the ring to fight. I didn't give up, but a punch hurt me too much and so I said enough
 
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maytoseptember

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Imane Khalif was born female. Presumably with all the genitalia and body parts and functions that go with someone who has that has that on their birth certificate. She is not transgender, she's literally from a country were she'd be locked up in prison if she was.
To borrow a phrase from Mumsnet, are you on glue?

How does one fail a “gender” test (a chromosome test that is) is they are truly female?

You are making too many presumptions, namely that an F marker on a birth certificate guarantees that someone has a female reproductive system.
 
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