Gender Discussion #45

[Scotch Mist]

Thread for those who are gender critical.
Carry on Tattling!

 

[emmer_moans]

As I've said before I work in Higher Education (admin side of things though). We get the internal mailings, intranet blogs, training etc. Now, we seem to have fortnightly 'town halls' on EDI, but of course it's the T rights dominating them and "how to be inclusive in communications" etc. Basically fortnightly sessions for the EDI execs at work to show how virtuous they are whilst ignoring socio-economic class, sex, age, race, disabilities, etc. We have a building on site that is awful in terms of wheelchair access and it's been like that for years and needs better ramps and lifts putting in, but that always gets put on the back burner whilst we have instead hired several EDI execs to hold town halls (but really they are onesided top down presentations). The money spent all all this could be better spent improving accessibility for those who actually need it. Noone is barring blue haired nonbinary people or "trans" people from studying Maths, but that particular building with shitty access is actually barring some students from being able to access the facilities in there... We have lost sight of what inclusion means, participation and opportunities for all, not special veneration of some group's feelings!

There's no anonymous channel to raise this concern at work.

 

[Summerday]

Should have stuck to only using white straight people in their ads...

Budweiser has been using black people in their advertising for at least 50 years and it hasn't caused them to lose billions in stock value or forced them to place the vice president of the brand on permanent leave.

It can't be assumed that anyone who opposes gender ideology is automatically conservative, white, racist, straight, or homophobic. Many of the people in this thread, including myself, are life-long liberals, there are many lesbians who post here, and I'm sure that there are plenty of people in this thread who aren't white...but nearly everyone here opposes gender ideology.

We don't want to see a man who got famous from stereotyping, mocking, and insulting women advertising to us.

We don't want to see a man being financially rewarded for promoting a dangerous, regressive, sexist, and homophobic ideology.

And just because we oppose those things does not mean that we only want to see straight, white people in our ads. (And besides Dylan is white.)

 

[MemoryLane]

Graham Linehan is kicking off because an episode of The IT Crowd, which he wrote, was considered to be transphobic. A character in it was dating someone Trans. When he found out they were trans he ended it. The actor who played the part of the man dating the transgender woman shit all over Linehan by saying he didn’t agree with the writers views.
Linehan said it wasn't transphobic and refused to apologise for it. I’m pretty sure C4 haven’t aired the episode since. This was in 2008!

He was then going to move on to do Father Ted the musical. But the producers bowed to trans rights activists and scrapped it. At one point Graham was offered £200k to remove his name from it. He refused. (to right that he did)! It led to a lack of work which affected his finances, then in turn his marriage. They then got divorced. So I completely understand why he’s “lost the plot”! I think we all would. These c#%ts have taken his living from him. It’s beyond disgusting.

I am very grateful to him for everything. In a world full of arsehole men & women who will follow this “trans rights are human rights” bollox and whatever else brings the money in… he is a bloody super star. He is bullied mercilessly on there and still doesn’t stop campaigning.
We should all admire him for it.

 

[Tireesix]

An American or Canadian (I can't remember) doctor on the GC sub said she been instructed to pretend to give one to an MtF who self-referred or something, said she would be disciplined if she didn't. She said over the last few years, more MtFs have begun showing up and that's what peaked her and how she found her way to the sub.

I'm sorry but ummmmm, when MtF and even FtM are pressurising Doctors and nurses to conduct examinations for body parts they biologically cannot fucking have, then as far as I am concerned, that's forcing healthcare practitioners to engage in Trans fetishism and should be viewed as a form of sex assault.

 

[MmmB777]

This is not just about rape and murder. This is our right to dignity and privacy. Away from the perversions of men. Pathetic men that find any aspect of invading women’s dignity and space a turn on are ten a penny. You hear the tiny tip of the iceberg of what deviant men are up to, trust me. We simply ask for public spaces where we are at our most vulnerable to be OURS. No fear of the leering, the lingering, the creeping. No fear of what might come after that if the opportunity arises. Stay. The. Fuck. Out. All of you.

 

[blahblahboring]

As for Eddie Izzare using the women’s toilets, I’m still a big NO. He might be ‘safe’ but he’s still a creep. I don’t want to just avoid being assaulted in the bathroom, I don’t want to have to look at a man in there, make eye contact in the mirror, stand next to him washing my hands. Even he doesn’t attack me, his presence bothers me. He doesn’t belong in there. As for keeping his male name etc (privilege) in his career and using a female name in his person life (fetish), I cannot think of a more clear example of how this is just a case of a pervert forcing his fetish onto others, but making sure he still enjoys all the good things about being a man. He is foul.

 

[Dinate]

Hello all, I've been reading Tattle for a while, since the original Phil Schofield story broke, and then was delighted to find this thread a few weeks back. I have been so frustrated with this gender nonsense for the past couple of years and it's only getting worse. So, finding kindred spirits here is great.

I was finally driven to joining up by the magnificent work that Riley Gaines is doing. Honestly, I have so much admiration for that young lady. She's given up her potential career in dentistry to take up this fight on behalf of all of us, and with so little thanks from people who should know better: for example, all those female athletes who she's asked to comment on transgender athletes competing against females in sport.

What happened to her at the university of San Francisco was appalling. And what was almost as shocking was the deafening silence from those people who claim to be on the side of justice, free speech, and, ironically, tolerance. Students used threats of violence towards Riley in order to stop her from using what they consider to be harmful and 'traumatic' words. The supreme irony and hypocrisy of it all is staggering.

I don't have anything else to say today, but I wanted to break the ice and say hello.

 

[Vanelope]

It’s very obvious these internet TRAs are mainly white straight men exposed to far too much anime porn. They are all basing their personas around a white beauty aesthetic, or that of animated characters.

They are racist, making out black and brown women are a subset of women and so equivalent of trans women. They also have no experience of actual women so they think they can be better ones.

They don’t have any clue of biology or anatomy, they don’t realise the urethra is the first ‘hole’ (hate that) on a female body. They don’t understand that period blood flows, you can’t ‘hold it in’. They don’t understand body hair on women (anime characters and porn stars don’t have it) so they think it is ‘male’.

They are all repulsive, horrifically unattractive, but it is mostly bad hygiene and worse personality, and they do not make any effort to improve those things, instead they want to force women to consider them.

Anyone seen ‘Make Love not Warcraft’? Possibly my favourite South Park episode - the basement dwelling incel in it is all of these men - in a bad pink bobbed wig.

 

[HockyRorror]

I just thought I’d share the experience I had the other day at work. I work on supply in schools and went to a new place on Friday. Went into the reception class and was introduced to the staff as always happened and one of them was introduced as ‘Mr Jones‘ (not their real name BTW for obvious reasons) except Mr Jones was clearly a young woman. I thought I’d misheard but no it was definitely Mr Jones. ‘He‘ still looked like a woman in every way, was wearing a fitted top with leggings and ballet pumps clearly had breasts and a waist and hips and sounded female when he spoke. He had feminine style hair cut and wearing jewellery. Ive no idea if he was in the early stages of transitioning but he wasn’t making much effort to look male if that makes sense. Perfectly nice enough person and great with the kids who seemed to adore him so it doesn’t really matter but it was the strangest thing. I’ve encountered other trans people before, both male to female and vice versa but this was the first time I’ve ever come across someone trans who wasn’t really making any kind of effort to look their chosen gender.

Anyway I’m not sure of the Im trying to make just thought I’d share it. Im a live and let live person generally, people can identify how they like but this was just strange.

Not having a go or rant at you as I agree with what you posted , but I don’t think this can be classed as only “just strange”. Reception aged children are susceptible and are in school to learn and grow (as per their parents expectations) and if they are being told an obvious woman is a man then that’s not teaching, it’s brainwashing. It doesn’t matter how nice the person is - individuals, as individuals can be as nice or as horrible as the next individual - but it still does not excuse or reason with teaching lies to children

 

[weeweegie]

Judging by this, I’d say the lady did something horrendously transphobic yeah… like correctly sex him as a very obvious male and not refer to the little narcissist as ‘they’.

Imagine spending your whole life in a rage trying to correct every person who ‘misgenders’ you. You’d be constantly angry. You cannot control other peoples language and perception of you, no matter how big your stupid earrings are or how much you scream your pronouns at someone. You work at a coffee shop, no one cares what your pronouns are mate, please take several seats and calm yourself down. Ugh, men

 

[petitspois]

Why were women's spaces created in the first place? as a significant minority of men are predatory (some planned and some opportunistic) and men are, by and large, bigger, stronger and faster than women so can't compete in sport post-puberty.

A visitor in work today mentioned his 'trans kid' and it was as if he was announcing his child had sacrificed a kidney to save another. People were practically clapping.

I despair at the fact these moronic zealots are even given the time of day to be honest.

 

[petitspois]

If I see a sniff of pronouns I immediately think that person is a delusional wanker.

 

[penny1992]

I saw that Dylan mulvaney did a video with Judy Bloome about female puberty? What the fuck does he know about that?
God, he is absolute scum.

 

[usefullyuseless]

I told my dog she doesn't belong on the couch. She told me I was telling her she didn't exist. My dog has now disappeared. Help.

 

[DoraMaar]

 

[smellyfootballboots]

I disagree with you because there are some who just wanna do it for fun and giggles. Sometimes there are drag queens who decide to be full time « transwoman ». It’s aesthetics. But some deal with suicidal thoughts, dysphoria on a daily basis. It’s not about a wish to be xyz. They feel their body is disconnected to them. That’s dark that’s heavy. It’s a mental health issue that we havent been able to find a cure. Because mày even after doing surgeries they have suicidal thoughts. I got empathy for that. Any heavy pain like this that’s mental os very difficult. Now when it comes to extremists in the trans community I think they ruined the whole community as a whole. Cause now we all see the crazy ones, the pervy men, but let’s not forget there are those who just wanna live their lives, knowing full well they will never be a woman. And Ive met some like this. But they are older transpeople. But yes they exist so let’s not close everything off and have zero empathy for those who genuinely suffer. I mean god damn i wouldnt wish this on anyone. Waking up and feeling disconnected to a body. Thats hell man

Then the de-medicalisation of gender dysphoria was irrational. Yes, we need to close everything off to them. Everything. They have abused their privileges, they have abused women, women's rights, children, children's safeguarding. While I may feel empathy for someone with genuine GD I do not owe them anything.

Feeling disconnected from your body is a mental disorder, society does not owe you anything because of it. Cosmetic changes to your body should only be considered after considerable therapy. We now know that people with GD generally have other mental illnesses or other reasons at to why it has developed. The NHS should not be offering to pay for anything over therapy. There is no reason for the NHS to be paying for and cosmetic procedures for these people.

It is not for society to mollycoddle anyone with mental illness. It is not for women to act as human shields for men against male violence. No-one should be able to make false declarations on their legal documentation - the fact that anyone can just fill in a form and suddenly change sex is absurd.

Sadly, even 'old school transsexuals' should never have been validated by allowing this. Now, they have paedophiles, rapists, murderers, up-skirters, cross dressers and the absolutely worst of society all under the trans umbrella. Why is that, exactly?

The EA must remove 'gender' as a protected characteristic (its a nonsense), the GRA must be repealed (utter load of shite), all GRC's must be cancelled (they are lies), Annex B must be torn up (absolute misogynistic abuse of women by the NHS) and all this shittty self ID nonsense must stop (It's a pack of lies). Women must be able to approach anyone they see as suspicions and in the wrong location; we must be able to question their motives as to why they are there and if necessary ask them to leave/have them removed. The fear of questioning 'trans and people claiming to be trans' must be eroded. Nothing good will ever come from this shit show.

 

[Glaschelle]

I'm in Scotland where a rapist has just walked free from court because new sentacing guidelines said that his brain wasn't fully developed when he committed the offence.

But if he'd wanted to change sex at age 12 everybody would be affirming his decision!!!

This is crazy.

And to be honest - you can't have it both ways. Either teenagers know what they're doing and have to accept the consequences. Or they're too young and need protection and guidance.

So which is it???

 

[Fuel to the flame]

@emmer_moans everytime I think we're making headway it's like she throws us a curveball and we're back 2 steps. That said, since we last spoke

Is your daughter starting to see sense or is she currently still in the ideology mindset? It must be so frustrating

Everytime I believe we've had an adult conversation (shes 16) and gotten through to her, she throws us a curve ball and we end up 3 steps behind. That said she isn't talking about it as much these days. Still is very anti women. I can't help but feel she's using this trans stance as a cover of her sheer laziness. Can't (won't!) help with dinner or wash up because she's so depressed shes not a boy. Failing all her exams because shes so dysphoric and can't get out of bed to revise. Even down to personal hygiene. But she is 16 and far from stupid so I can only guide and suggest.

Such an smart response, you sound like an amazing parent. What did she say back? Has she started to abandon gender ideology or is she still committed to it?

She didn't really say anything in response, the usual meh and urghh and shrugging. Personally I do believe we are turning a corner, I think me being more clued up (thank you tattlers!) has put the cat amongst the pigeons on alot of it because I now have some come backs. I read SO many articles and research, from both side of the argument, and probably know more than she does to be honest. When she speaks about top surgery I use correct terminology and speak medically about the procedure. A lot of which takes her a back and you can see she's confused. I hope, genuinely hope, she goes away and looks into all of this stuff in more depth and takes the time to actually read other points of view on what she feels SO strongly about.

 

[lanathebest]

Beyoncé made gender neutral bathrooms for her concert.
She thinks she did something.

Why is there an obsession with men and the fucking bathroom? why do u wanna be with women in the bathroom? seriously fuck off. not everything can be neutral, homogenous, one thing. sometimes it has to be separate, doesn't mean u are anti men, anti xyz. it's just u need a private safe place to fucking pee, poop, remove ur pad or tampon, do ur makeup, or other things without men around being cringy, creepy, weird, or potential sexual assaults. or creeping around cause cmon they all do that. and ur not gonna be comfy enough to do ur makeup in front of them, readjust ur bra or whatever else u wanna do. it's just fucking stupid to keep wanting to do something with bathrooms.
We live in a world with two sexes, two different ways to pee even. is it my fault if nature invented thaT? apparently it is. apparently u are homophobic and whatever else phobic if u dont want gender neutral bathrooms. idk fuck you. so tired of this shit. i swear what everyone wants is to annoy women as much as possible. we cant be together in peace. we gotta include everyone or else... TERF!!!!! BLABLAPHOBE!!!!!!! MONSTER!!!! How about your fuck yourself with a gender neutral stick up your ass and leave me alone with your shit.
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You know what pisses me off even more is that women can't even speak up like men do, they just don't do it. Men they go wild when something like this invades their space. Look at just a simple ad with Mulvaney, they went crazy, now everyone's scared and won't dare to do that again. As women we couldve gone crazy with brands removing female sex signs on period products, or bringing a transwomen to advertise period pads. But nah, either there are fucking morons who say "inclusivitityyy!!!!!!!" or the women who go too far and sound hateful, or those who are like us and wanna be left alone being called Terfs. all silenced. the cycle continues. now ull see the fucking bathrooms will have to be given away, no more women spaces only, it's gonna be transphobic. and even if u speak up now, lame ass weak women will say "this is amazing hihi xD" we gonna go to bathrooms seeing dicks and balls and no one will go there anymore & they'll act surprised. imagine bringing ur little girl there with men around. gynecologists will be transphobic, they need to also work on dicks and balls. everything has to be dicks and balls. if that happens i won't have any problem telling people to fuck off in their face. i don't have time for that shit, i dont wanna get older and have to deal with it. it's annoying seriously. im a woman, what do u wanna do? sue me for it? if i wanna be amongst women can't I? am i not allowed? am i seriously not allowed to want that? that's a serious real question nowadays