Last night I actually engaged with some trans women on twitter and reddit in the comments about the blocking of the Scottish government's GRA, I live in Scotland to this was personally relevant to me. I did attempt to have an actual conversation. I said I was prepared to accept that notions of gender stereotypes were constructs and that men could identify as feminine and women as masculine. I have no issue with this but that sex itself except for a vanishingly small group of people is fixed, observable at birth and binary. It cannot be altered through surgery, hormones or wishful thinking and that females were only asking to retain their sex based rights and spaces.
So the response from trans women was to call me a bigot, a troll (even though they replied to me), a transphobe, pro-apartheid and a nazi! I was told I was just envious that they were better "women" than me or that I wanted their dick, yes really that's what they said, how very masculine of them. I was also deleted and banned from one sub completely eliminating my voice from the conversation. They really don't want women to have any say at all do they? They also said I wanted raped trans women to have to live with men, which is not true, I suggested seperate trans spaces but that wasn't acceptable they demand access to women's spaces.
I was messaged by one trans woman who said that the GRA would not effect women's single sex spaces. However on further discussion I discover that what they meant was that after a man changes his sex, not gender on his birth certificate to female he is a female and there for legally entitled to access women's spaces as they were legally a female. I reiterated that while it was arguable that gender could be altered, sex could not regardless of feelings, hormones, surgery etc. They then replied saying I was a terf and a bigot and quoted me except where I had used the word sex they changed it to gender as proof of my hatefulness. When I pointed out that they had misquoted me and I had said sex as they could see above they blocked me.
Similar on twitter, when I tried to pin a trans woman, who had replied to me on the difference between sex and gender and how female single sex spaces sports and services would be protected if the GRA went ahead without alteration to the GRA or Equalities Act they blocked me. Prior to that they showed a graphic that single sex spaces would still be single sex spaces giving the impression that trans women would not access these spaces. However its clear that most hold that a legal change in sex does give them the right to enter single sex spaces as they erroneously believe they have changed sex.
So it seems to me that trans identifying men do not want to listen to women, they don't care about women or our needs, our trauma or safety. They also do not want us to have a voice and they will slander us, threaten us, do all they can to shut us up. It's laughable how male their behaviour is.
They are also very slippery on what they mean by trans. They used the concept of gender framed as a pretty reductive stereotype, call it a social construct and say they just want to live as they feel and most women say no problem and most of us even though we know they are male and can't help but see them as such will still honour their requests around pronouns because we don't want to hurt anyone. However when women make a request for our own safety to retain single sex rights we are called bigots and nazis. The fact is that many trans people do believe they are literally changing sex and becoming women, that they were born in the wrong body, that their penis is female. They also fully intend to gain access to women's single sex spaces and services and have zero respect or concern for women's feelings on this. What else is self ID about? In what way are they limited to express their gender identity under the current laws? They can present how they choose, marry who they want, they cannot be discriminated against. If being a woman is a gender identity then why do they need to change their legal sex at all?
It's very difficult to see this as anything less than an attempt to infiltrate single sex spaces and why does the safety of trans identifying men trump that of women of the female sex? Why does their need for validation and affirmation get to ride rough shod over the trauma and safety of women? Why must we be a forced audience to their fetish theatre?
The debate doesn't exist, women are banished, abused and gaslit at every turn. I also notice that the majority of people on twitter supporting the GRA were either trans women or men both of the male sex, it seems very much to be a male sexual rights movement with women as collateral damage. I'm not a tory but on this occasion thank god for their intervention to block this harmful legislation.
would it not have huge ramifications on how and why those crimes were committed if women were to be recorded as men, how could we analyse them and combat them. 
