Gender Discussion #34

[nothanksbabes]

It's just cool girl bullshit, where they pretend to not be bothered by blatantly absurd and boundary-crossing shit so they seem cool and laid back and likeable, not like us horrible abrasive women with opinions of our own, wouldn't want to upset the menfolk now would we

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

Not to get too conspiratorial, but I do often wonder of this ‘othering’ and vilification of older women is part of an unconscious effort to break the generational bonds between women. We know too much, know who not to trust and who is vulnerable and needs safeguarding. That’s dangerous and valuable knowledge that some people would prefer we didn’t pass on.

Older women are (generally, I’m not professing to speak for everyone) far less tolerant of men’s bullshit, mainly because they’ve had decades of experience of it, and also because the ‘be kind’ effect of oestrogen wanes as levels drop in peri menopause.

So yes, I think you could be on to something there: since time immemorial, older women have been demonised as “hags” or “crones” because they are less amenable than many men would like.

 

[maytoseptember]

TRAs always think they are more important than they are

No kidding. I saw a tweet yesterday that said trans people were the first targets of the Nazis during the Holocaust, and Jewish people need to stop denying the trans genocide.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

Wayne Cousens that piece of filth that murdered Sarah Everard, was renowned as a flasher. Often, men who commit such crimes start off by flashing. Women get assaulted, raped, murdered, every single hour of every single day and this cunt flashes his cock on TV and is lauded as stunning and brave. I am losing friends over this tiresome bullshit but at some point surely this madness must end?

 

[klarakluckbag]

Just seen on the showbiz gossip thread that Eddie Izzard apparently identifies as a Lesbian woman. How the heck does that work? Will he have to have relationships with other trans women lesbians? Because surely female lesbians are not attracted to masculine bodies which, regardless of how they identify, trans women still have.

You're not familiar with the erasure of actual lesbians then? Lesbian bars, lesbian dating sites and almost all other spaces that were once exclusively occupied by gay women, have now been infiltrated by trans "women". I have some knowledge of this, my stepdaughter has been propositioned by men on dating sites, and has had pictures of males in various states of undress sent to her. My stepdaughter is gay, and has no interest in dating men, nor in seeing photos of their genitals, she was registered on what she thought were dating sites with women members only.

TiM's insist that gay women who don't want to date intact males, are "bigots" and "transphobes". Young lesbians are being gaslit by transvestites like Eddie Izzard, who insist that, in the spirit of "inclusivity", they should be regarding men in dresses, as women, and that they should be dating them, and having sex with them, no matter how much they don't want to have sex with anyone with a penis.

It's not just about swimming medals, changing-rooms and make-up ads. This ideology is undermining womens' rights at every level, including our right to decide who we want to have sex with. When you realise how insidious it is, it's quite horrifying. And sadly, the young gay women are usually the ones shouting the loudest about "inclusivity" and trans "rights" etc etc etc.

 

[maytoseptember]

Any 8-11 year old CHILD identifying as “trans, non-binary, agender or gender diverse” has been groomed.

 

[Sweetcouchpotato]

I suppose I am too. If someone calls me a transphobe on Twitter it's like water off a ducks back. I don't care.

One of my daughter's friends called me a TERF when I was giving examples of crimes committed against women and children by TiM, and I just said "thank you, love" and she glared at me angrily thinking I'd misheard and said "no, I called you a TERF" and I replied again "yes, thats why I said thank you. I'm proud to be called a TERF because it just means I believe in reason and logic and defending the rights of women and girls". My daughter huffed off upstairs with her friend but later told me she actually agreed with me (for once! A miracle!)

 

[ScarlettOHaha]

I was lucky enough to go to LGB Alliance conference on Friday which was wonderful. It’s so exhausting fighting gender ideology every day online or at work .. so to be in a room with 600 people who understand what’s going on, is a tonic for the soul.
It meant I missed Jordan Gray and his indecent exposure stunt. As bad as THAT was, his lyrics were also disgusting and degrading to women. He basically said he was better than women because he could squirt, his tits would always be pert and he did anal. Oh and that straight women’s husbands fancy him. I wonder if the idiots in the audience even listened to his words as they whooped and cheered. The good thing is it’s peaked even more people.

Another glimmer of optimism is that apparently Jordan Gray’s one man show at the Palladium on Friday is struggling to sell tickets, so a cut price ticket online seller has been brought in to try and fill the seats. This is good.
I can’t post the Twitter evidence as I’m banned for 12 hours .. no doubt it was because I replied to a deluded woman who thinks she’s a gay man , she was boasting she’d gone to a gay male sauna and paraded her male pussy at the men there. She felt empowered .. she’s lucky they just ignored her instead of being aggressive, she invaded their space and they’d have no interest in her vagina BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY MEN.

There were many more gay men at the LGBALLIANCE conference this year, which is great as they might finally be waking up and possibly even starting to support us lesbians.

 

[petitspois]

I saw on twitter someone said

Like an onion, Queer Theory is made up of layers. And after you peel off the manipulative outer layers of ‘be kind’ and ‘inclusion’, you will ALWAYS arrive at the same three inner layers: misogyny, male sexual arousal and access to children.


That's the heart of it all isn't it? all of it falls into one or more of those.

 

[BlairWaldorf86]

Oh god. The whole men lactating thing really upsets me. I think it’s child abuse. The baby doesn’t get a choice and we don’t know what this drug-induced stuff does to them. I feel so sorry for, but also angry with, the mothers of the babies who go along with this. If my husband had tried it I’d think he was a sick freak. It’s completely disgusting.

 

[Amelia99]

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just this all over. the fact they have to define "cis" shows that they recognise the existence of biological sex. it's totally insane that the only time they want to acknowledge it is to either identify supposed privilege over transgender people, separate themselves from "cis men's" misogyny, or seek out women for surrogacy.

i honestly think the reason half this stuff takes off is because of internalised misogyny. like another poster said, women here can be absolutely vile towards other women, calling them fat, ugly, and other misogynistic tropes, for failing to meet a definition of what a woman should be (because let's face it, these are only standards for women). but if you were to poke fun at eddie izzard for the very obvious ways in which he fails to look feminine, it's unacceptable, rather than just standard tattle meanness. you can even see it in the balance of rave vs criticism threads - there are so many negative threads about women and yet so many rave threads about men, like jack grealish, who is a fucking plonker in my opinion. im not trying to police what other people post, but idk it's kind of sad.

One of the comments about Eddie Izzard on the celeb gossip thread that got labled transphobic was a comment about how a dress he was wearing didn’t suit him. It was a floaty short dress. If an overweight, 60 year old woman was pictured wearing such a dress there would be no issue with people saying it wasn’t the most flattering choice. But apparently whatever Eddie wears you must say looks fabulous on him. Otherwise you’re transphobic. Which is utter rubbish.

 

[Vanelope]

Definitely

Don’t listen to your mother, your sister your cousin your friends, they are old and frigid, you are young and exciting so grown up for your age and no one understands you like I do.

It’s grooming 101. Male predators need to isolate their prey from the protective female figures - and they are now doing it generationally by making everyone over 30 a Karen, a terf, a bigot etc etc

 

[Jayceedove]

See I don't have an issue with this.

The word woman is still there and there is the added "people with a cervix" to cover trans men.

If it solely said people with a cervix I would be annoyed.

It is however ridiculous that trans women can register with a GP as female and would potentially get invites when they are neither women or people with a cervix.

I totally understand that people who have had all the surgeries and a GRC etc truly believe they are the opposite gender, but they cannot change sex and the fact that GRCs mean that medical records are basically falsified is ridiculous.

That is NOT what happens. I have a GRC and no medical records are 'falsified'. Your GP is very well aware of your status post op. In my case my last five GPs as it was decades ago. The details of these major events are necessarily flagged up well on your record. They have to be given the need for annual blood tests once you get long enough post surgery and sending in the correct markers so the lab processes this properly.

Self ID might be an entirely different matter - it usually is with the nonsensical stuff it spouts - but has nothing to do with GRCs.

Remember only a little over 5000 people in the 67 million UK population have a GRC. Almost every one you see out there arguing about cervixes and pronouns do not have one. .Self ID cannot get you a GRC in the UK as of today and never has. So the GRA does not apply to these claims. Why I imagine they have started doing silly letters to patients asking for your pronouns to placate such people.

I get one from my GP a few months back asking which gender I wanted to identify as now! Because the NHS were being told to record it I suppose. I told them I did not have a Gender Identity - we shun the word transgender because we do not - the medical term for me is transsexual and differentiating matters. My records for the past 50 years with the NHS are very clear on my status as they have to be for ongoing care. So we talk abut it often in the surgery and nothing has changed from how it has been for decades. .

Transsexuals who have actually transitioned know well the need for correct monitoring. I have had regular breast screenings but am not invited to have a cervix exam. It would be ridiculous and no GP aware you are a post op transsexual would ask.

This validation nonsense is via self ID people with transgender identities seeking validating pronous and tests they dio not need as part of it. So the ones NOT having a GRC . Not the ones with a GRC who have been through the NHS process to get them which currently requires full medical disclosure of what has / has not been done to your body submitted by your GP. For obvious reasons of proper future care.

Self ID hates this 'intolerable and humiliating' questionning. That is people who do NOT change their bodies. As in most who are transgender.

This is one of many reasons why transsexuals ttrongly oppose self ID because WE cannot afford to identify out of biology, Our lives may depend upon doctors understanding our complicated bodies. Transgender pronoun declarers think words are immune to biology. We have lived by the importance of the complex facts about our body for decades and need our GPs to do so as well.

Changing a law written for 5000 people who have significantly atypical bodies to one for hundreds of thousands who think pronouns give you an imaginary cervix is not just wrong it is dangerously wrong and may kill people.

 

[klarakluckbag]

Found the video of Dylan

If you're wondering, the comments are turned off and the like-to-dislike ratio is 352/8,000. Makes me VERY hopefully that many people are offended by this.
2 men talking about what it means to be a woman

When I was a teenager in the 80's, my bedroom wall was full of guys who looked like David Sylvian.
There is nothing wrong with guys wearing make-up, but it DOESN'T TURN YOU INTO A WOMAN. Wearing women's clothes doesn't turn you into a woman either. Nor does stalking women's toilets, shoving tampons up your backside, inserting yourself into menopause, breastfeeding, pregnancy or sexual abuse survivor groups, giving yourself a girly name, simpering in front of the mirror, taking HRT, shouting at real women, or telling the world that you now live in "girl mode" .
I'm absolutely fine with men buying and wearing make-up. I'm not too happy at seeing men trying to appropriate womanhood for their weird sexual fetishes.

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

It’s always going to somehow be a woman’s fault no matter what. Regarding the Kanye thing I saw a couple of days ago that Boy George was really upset because Kim Kardashian hadn’t come out and publicly addressed and denounced Kanye’s antisemitic remarks, despite the fact they’ve been split up for several years. Somehow she’s responsible for the things her abusive and mentally ill ex husband says!
I’m also quite baffled by how Boy George has somehow acquired ‘national treasure’ status when he went to prison for chaining a rent boy to a radiator and violently assaulting him by whipping him with chains.

So, a convicted violent offender is criticising a woman for not making herself accountable in the narrative of her ex’s bad behaviour.

Women are always deemed responsible for the things men say, do and think. Always.

Boy George is a disgrace. I do enjoy watching Marilyn take him down for his TWAW views, though. And for christening him ‘Widow Twanky’

 

[Ekathrina]

I find it completely bizarre. You’ll get posters who absolutely eviscerate influencers and celebrities in an almost excessive and hateful way, but apparently saying a mean thing about a man wearing a dress is unkind and shouldn’t be allowed under any circumstances and they’ll rip you a new one for doing it. It makes no sense to me.

 

[OmgObsessed]

Trigger warning

I'm so fucking sick of males on Reddit glorifying rape. It starts off with them being trans for like two days. Then what do you know?! Someone totally sexually assaulted them. They're totz passing now! They know how us female feel! He is so blessed to be raped just like us females! He can say #metoo now!

I don't know a single victim that post their story that fast. It took me years to process shit that happen to me as a child and how fucked up it was. I'm so sick of men.

 

[Sea]

I've been shut down on secret celeb gossip a few times. I thought posters aren't supposed to police threads - or is it ok if they are policing GC comments?
Eddie Izzard is a man in a frock whichever way you look at it, he said so himself until he hopped on the trans bandwagon

It's bullshit. Slag off a woman for what she wears, her plastic surgery, and it's LOL and game
Say a man dressed as a woman is a man, looks stupid and shouldn't go into women spaces - aargh outrage - hug a trans.

 

[Ekathrina]

It’s always going to somehow be a woman’s fault no matter what. Regarding the Kanye thing I saw a couple of days ago that Boy George was really upset because Kim Kardashian hadn’t come out and publicly addressed and denounced Kanye’s antisemitic remarks, despite the fact they’ve been split up for several years. Somehow she’s responsible for the things her abusive and mentally ill ex husband says!
I’m also quite baffled by how Boy George has somehow acquired ‘national treasure’ status when he went to prison for chaining a rent boy to a radiator and violently assaulting him by whipping him with chains.

 

[Peachsquish]

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