Gender Discussion #31

[Badirene]

I find it depressing that people prioritise themselves rather than their young children tbh, I am not a parent so maybe I am wrong, but don't you sacrifiice things to make your children's lives better rather than solely thinking of yourself?

Clearly that 5 year old is a Terf bigot that has been radicalised on Mumsnet! (sarcasm, because you just can't tell anymore)

My heart breaks for that child, they must feel like they are losing their mum and be very scared. The frustration that this child is just "Not getting it" is selfish and vile. I hope that little girl has protective loving people in her life, cause her mum ain't it.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

It's all going to implode at some point. It will take a year or so, but, sadly, I think something catastrophic will happen to a woman by a man self id'ing as a woman in a woman's space for the tide to turn. Self ID is one of the most dangerous, odious legislations in our lifetime and I'm starting to lose friends on FB who all think 'oh live and let live, they just want to be themselves'. No, fuck off. Fuck them. Men can never be women. Oh, and it would be interesting if India Willoughby (or any of them) developed some sort of prostate issue. The NHS should refuse to treat them; after all, women can't have prostates, right? There aren't enough fucking eye roll emojis in the world and I am SO happy this thread exists.

 

[Badirene]

There is something really insidious about a man talking to girls about their periods and what may or may not be normal in their menstrual care. It feels almost like this is another area of girls bodies that they must seek approval or reassurance from a man about what is acceptable. I don't know if I'm wording that clearly, but it feels like another area where a man is judging a girl's body.


What would this bloke know about what is normal or what is of concern medically? You can read all the books in the world but he has no lived experience of this, he can only imagine what this feels like but has he any real understanding of how it feels to be a young girl, your body is changing, and you feel you have no control over that. I remember my first period, from then on I was so aware of my body, embarrassed, ashamed and super self conscious of flooding or leaking, especially in school. My mam died when I was young and I was raised by my older brother, I would rather have eaten a sanitary product that talk to my brother about any of it, are young girls really going to be confident enough to seek advice from this guy? It just feels like what might be the best, most helpful thing to these girls has been overlooked for woke ideology point scoring.

 

[Cassandra333]

I totally understand your anger. It feels like an attack from all sides sometimes and you’re never quite sure what is the next thing that will be changed or that we will we be erased from. In some ways it does seems inescapable because it will likely show up somewhere in your day to day life. A word being changed, an article you see, passing a TiM on the street. But our feelings don’t matter, we just have to accept and respect them or we are bigots, terfs, transphobic etc

Sorry, I’m going into rant terrority here! But what they don’t realise is that respect is a 2 way street. Instead of bashing through society on Miley Cyrus’s wrecking ball and making demands. Perhaps they could have seen things and understood things from our perspective. Why do we constantly have to see it from theirs? Where’s the compromise? For example, if they had turned round and said, we understand that you have been brought up to be cautious and not walk alone. We understand that you are on a whole smaller, have less strength and are more likely to be victims of male violence. Based on this we understand why separate spaces were created and why they are still needed. Society has to make sure to safeguard it’s public spaces and can’t just have an open door policy for everyone. How can we work together to find a solution that keeps everyone safe and happy which can’t be taken advantage of by nefarious folk.Yeah, I think I am the delusional one for thinking that would ever think about it that way. but instead the world has been infilratred by Kevin the teenager clones having a mantrum about how only their feelings matter. End of rant.

I understand the anger too. It's like a constant rage simmering underneath. Which is why it's so important to take breaks.

I'm angry that anyone should think this is a women's problem. They're men. They belong in the men's problem catagory. It's like the issue with toilets. Transwomen have to use the women's toilets because they're not safe in the mens. The obvious answer is to campaign to make men's toilets safer. Not to put them in the women's and make us less safe. It's nothing to do with us. Men should be making the changes, not us.
Trans women are MEN. Let men deal with them and leave us alone.

 

[Eveningdusk]

I believe that you can’t change biology and that it goes down to a cellular level. Even our skeletons are different. If they want to subvert stereotypes, go for it. If they want to make skirts and makeup fashionable for men, go for it. I have no problem with any of that.

but saying they are women and copying us to pass, going into our spaces, mutilating their bodies and saying they have boobs and vagina. Encouraging children. Changing laws which protect us. Nope, stay in your own lane. This is ours. We fought for it and you can’t take it now just because you have the magic word ‘trans’ or special snowflake pronouns.

 

[emmer_moans]

Seeing a Pride flag on a flag pole, fine, it shows support to the LGB community. However, where I work (in Higher Education) currently the work location - i’m trying to be a bit vague to avoid triangulation - has lots of lampposts on site. On every lampost (and i mean EVERY lamp post) we have the “Progress” version of the flag, hanging vertically with the triangle bit on top. We also have those PVC external wall poster things with eyelets draping whole sides of buildings, and there’s even flags drawn on footpaths. In every cafe outlet on site there are those standing up triangle placards on the tables saying how INCLUSIVE we are. It feels like in every eyeline, there the flag is. It’s claustrophobic and it seems to become more and more in your face as each month comes around. Because of the lampposts and table placards, it really does remind me of those Third Reich photos of lecture halls with the vertically draped flags.

Let me be clear that I support our LGB community, and if is was just the original Pride flag and messaging about not being homophobic, I would be on board. But what we are getting now is confronted with the Progress flag at every turn, in every meeting room the fecking table placards are. Every internal bulletin, every photo op, every wellbeing event, has the TRA cause shoehorned in. We can’t go to staff wellbeing events now without TRA content. We can’t buy a coffee at work without having to jostle with an oversized card pyramid thing in the way of the table top. It’s suffocating. In this economic climate it’s hard to just say eff it, i’m leaving, but if this madness continues I will seriously have to consider finding a new vocation that is not so ideologically captured.

Many people would feel the same way if the workplace suddenly forced everyone to say prayers out loud at lunchtime, and had JESUS SAVES flags hanging from every lamppost and weekly email reminders to be more kind and holy.

I really do feel for the LGB community who must be feeling suffocated too. It can’t be helpful being hijacked by people taking precious resources and awareness away from LGB concerns.

 

[Couldlifeeverbesaneagain]

Spotted this on Facebook and I thought you would all appreciate it!

 

[springstudy]

Just gonna say it as well, and I know this is gonna sound bad, but honestly almost all "trans" women I've ever came across, or non binary men, have all been creepy. Like just bad vibes all around when I'm near them. Something super predatory and "off". Almost all of them have been extremely sex positive and into sex in a massive way, think fetishes etc. Obviously this isn't all trans people, and I realise this, but it makes me feel sick when I see people like this. They totally are using "trans" as an excuse to be absolute perverts, and play on other people's need to be inclusive and open to everything, and it's crazy. It honestly feels like creeps are hidden in plain sight right now, using this as a way to be like this without anyone saying anything.

 

[Sea]

Was on a long train jny (not a short commuter route so was able to fully observe).
I was squashed in next to a large lady, but she tried her hardest not to encrouch on my personal space, she managed to hold herself (probably uncomfortably) so as to not touch me or sit on my seat.
I watched lots of men getting on the train spreading out either side ways or limbs so that the women across the table were tucking in their legs to avoid contact or women sitting next to the men were shrinking and turning away to protect their body space.

I know I would have passively aggressively huffed or nudged to get my personal space or said to man to give "excuse me could you move up pls" because I am confident to, but i watched how so many men could be so arrogant not to care about invading women's literal body personal space.

 

[weeweegie]

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It makes me wonder why the TRAs targets ‘terfs’ as their evil enemy. Why don’t they fear and focus on the nutcase young men who would beat them to a pulp? A middle aged woman standing up for her hard fought rights will never enact violence on a trans person (or anyone). All we do is speak the truth and want to protect womens rights. We repeatedly say we don’t hate trans people (I certainly don’t). But there’s a much much bigger population of heterosexual men who actually do hate trans people and wouldn’t hesitate to harm them. Why don’t the TRAs make up special names for them and harass those men? I think we all know why. It’s easy to intimidate and (try to) ridicule women because they KNOW that they can.

 

[Cassandra333]

I don’t get the “trans rights are human right”. Don’t they have the same rights than everyone?

Yes, trans have the same rights as the rest of us. What they actually want to do is take other groups rights away from them. Women's rights are based on our sex and they don't like that at all. Same with same sex attraction. They want homosexuals to be homogenderals and lesbians to suck the girl cock.

I spent years as an Immigration caseworker and I worked with human rights all day long. They don't want human rights, they want special rights.

 

[Autumncolors]

I left the suburbs and went on a city break to SW England with a high student population (clue: rhymes with Darth if you’re from the SE ). I saw three TIMs in one day.

#1 was a classic AGP/cross dresser. Dolled up to the nines in a vintage-y outfit. Wig and too many accessories. All the cliches rolled into one. Walked like a bloke.

#2 was working at a tourist attraction wearing the very dowdy female uniform of skirt and blouse. Make up and hair very Robert Smith. Definitely wasn’t trying as hard to “pass” as #1

#3 creeped me out. I saw two women clowning around at a bus stop. Their behaviour was weird enough to draw my attention to them. The taller one had the smaller ones’s wrists in their hands, forcing their arms to wave around erratically, the way you might try to entertain a toddler. I genuinely found myself thinking unkind thoughts about zoomers and how they infantilise themselves Then the taller one turned around so I could see their face and I realised it was a man, not a woman. Wasn’t trying hard to pass in jeans and t shirt (the colour and cut of the t shirt, plus the long hair, was what made me initially think they were a young woman). Instantly clocked their small but very pointy hormone induced boobs and no bra

Just made me realise how widespread this all is in cities and amongst young people. I found it quite confronting in a way, because I’m so used to seeing this stuff online, but never in my face out in public (because I live a very boring, sheltered life and prefer it that way).

I started reathis thread months ago and I decided to join today after reading this.

English is not my first language so please, excuse any mistake.

I visited the same city and the same attraction a few days ago. I saw the same AGP with the dowdy female uniform and bad makeup. I made a mistake as I was not in the good queue and he was rude, ignoring me and my questions…
Fortunately, the other staff members were very nice and helpful.

I also visited another city, one with a famous pier… I previously visited it 10 and 15 years ago. Back then, it was gay friendly,young, a nice city…I loved this place.

I was so chocked at the state of it today. Very dirty, weird people, many AGPs, I felt so insecure that I left before doing everything I planned.


Anyway… I, like everyone here, am scared for the future. Our rights are in danger. We fought against the gender stereotypes and today liking cars makes you a male ou non binary etc. This is crazy.
Biology is the only thing women have in common all around the world. And this biology is what makes us oppressed.

 

[nothanksbabes]

About dicks... I'm a dick enthusiast and I'd rather shit a cactus than touch a TiM. How's that for unpacking a genital preference .

 

[GladiatorReady]

Out of the mouths of babes

 

[maytoseptember]

My daughter started her periods at 10. Like fuck would she be asking a man for advice. Not now. Not ever. Not even a male doctor.



Totally agree with this. It’s all about dismantling boundaries and getting kids - especially girls - to ignore their innate sense of risk and embarrassment when it comes to the presence of men.

 

[Autumncolors]

To those in Scotland - go and see Elaine Miller at the Fringe if you can, the TRAs have come for her because the show is about female ‘bits’ and doesn’t include trans women (why would it???). It’s called Viva your vulva: the hole story and is on until the end of next week I think. She’s brilliant and the show got a 5 star review from the Scotsman. She needs our support

Can you imagine being so self-centrered you think the world should revolve about a tiny percentage of the population? Even if they were right, even if they were women without the genitalia.

I got a hysterectomy and I don’t even think about it when I read or hear that women have a uterus. I don’t have one anymore but it’s not normal. And I don’t feel triggered when my friends talk about their periods. My condition doesn’t invalidate the reality of what women are and experience.

 

[Badirene]

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We were debating yesterday whether people would believe it was historically real...

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I've never once got my lashes done, and don't have a husband or child... Guess I'm not a woman.

Okay so because eschewed marriage and children she was not a "proper" woman? Such progressive ideology.

And for the fan of "reexaming history" can we expect a documentary titled "Hitler: You know, maybe he wasn't all bad and was really on to something"

Once again men telling women they are overreacting to something that exclusively effects women and has no impact on male spaces, voices, history or stories. They can get in the bin.

 

[soph30]

Bea and Eugenie begging Charles for a role for Andrew

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...frey-Epstein-scandal-rocked-Royal-Family.html

Think this was meant to go in the Harry and Meghan or royal family thread it's kind of gender discussion I guess...

Of course, hot pink umbrella.


Oooh i’m half way through this. It’s quite good, imo.


*adds to reading list*.


I think the P olice are ticking the TRA box for PR purposes because the public lost faith in them over the years for institutional racism, homophobia, misogyny, corruption etc. The older population don’t trust, but now they have this opportunity to “show they have changed” and capture the goodwill of the Gen Z and millennial populations. However, imo, institutionally they are still racist, still misogynistic (and now they have the TRA ideology as a way to intimidate GC women in the name of stamping out ‘hate’. Punishment is the process, etc).
I’m sure there are still some legitimate police men and women out there who actually want to solve crimes, but institutionally, they are more about painting TRA flags on riot shields and posing with blue-hairs or Izzard. I do not trust the institution one bit. Not when rape convictions are abysmal, not when pensioners being mugged without proper follow up/ convictions, not when antisocial behaviour gets ignored in communities despite 100s of complaints. Where is the old bobby on the beat? Nowhere, he’s too busy crying over someone being ‘misgendered’ on Twatter. As a woman, I do not trust them. My eyes have been truly opened because growing up I was Miss Goody Two Shoes and would have trusted authority without question

I know your points are serious and not funny but on my local Facebook group the police wrote something like 'We want to find out everyone's pronouns in the community' and a bloke replied below ''I'd rather you found out who nicked my tools, but guess that's too much like police work'

 

[Badirene]

I have banked with NatWest for over 20 years, but if they carry on with this bollocks I will have to move.

NatWest 'will pay for transgender staff to get hormone treatment' # via https://android.com

Are they funding any health care for non trans employees?? I bet not.

Medical treatment for peri and menopausal women would be a start. But I bet that is not seen as worthy as medical intervention for men with delusions.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

'Periods are not just female'.

OK, well, in that case 'prostate cancer is not just for men'.

Fuck's SAKE. What does a man know about the embarrassment of a leaking pad, the sheer pain some days, the hormone imbalances? Nothing, nada. Periods are for WOMEN ONLY. This is going to backfire badly.