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Oooh, while I’m on a roll…the other thing they do that gives me the rage is refer to the “Wachowski sisters”. No, seriously don’t do that. Because you’re rewriting history to take an achievement away from women. A writing/directing team of two unknown sisters did not make the blockbusting Matrix trilogy, and those movies are not the highest grossing movies made by women. THEYRE JUST NOT.

Two nerdy blokes got those films made, and the fact that they were later rich and entitled enough to reveal their horrible misogynistic fetishes in public doesn’t change that. No Hollywood studios did anything at the time other than greenlight a project made by men, as per normal. They were men then - and they’re men now, but if you can’t manage that at least don’t fucking pretend they never were!! You could just say “The Wachowskis”, you know?

I do love these podcasters (it’s called “what went wrong” if you’re interested) and this shit only surfaces occasionally but fuck me it’s jarring.

And yes, Stonewall is such an interesting example of history being entirely rewritten to serve a particular purpose. It’s eye opening.
 
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Metropolis

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Article in the Mail about red flag weirdo Jacob Engelsman (discussed recently on here) who has been invited to lecture at the Association of Lactation Consultants in Ireland (ALCI) conference in Galway. I know we all know he’s a wrong’un, but I hadn’t realised that he has actually given a presentation entitled, “Inducing Lactation for Kinksters”. And now he’s been invited to a breastfeeding conference? It beggars belief that this is happening 😡. He’s being welcomed to indulge his kink at a conference that should be centring vulnerable women and babies. I just can’t fathom how this is allowed. I mean fucking hell


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MaineCoonMama

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I wonder is it's crossed Kelly Holmes' mind that she wouldn't be a Dame or a famous athlete if men were competing against her?
She'd be a nobody and a man would have all her accolades and accomplishments.
 
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drmortimer

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Again she misses the point. Trannies aren’t PROHIBITED from sport.

Men are excluded from Women’s sports.

If they want to hijack their body with drugs and hamper their own ability, then you crack on Barry.
 
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Not Now Bernard

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What the Guardian knows about feminism you could put on a stamp. They have heavily campaigned, for the past 10 yrs at least, to destroy women’s single sex spaces and to erase our language.
they can shove their cervix owner, be kind bullshit right up their arse!
 
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maytoseptember

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Thank you all for the thoughtful responses, I'm going to learn more about "sex realism" as I had not encountered that term before.



If you're familiar with my posts in that thread, you'll be glad to know I have a relevant peep show clip for this situation too.



I am neither manly nor worldly, just an uneducated man with too much time and a desperate need to understand everything. I've been reading tattle for years and years, and GuruGossiper before that, and I know that the person who invited me here is on the hook for my conduct, everything I post is genuine, it is sincerely held beliefs, and my understanding of the world is constantly evolving based on what I learn.

I expected the dating thread comment about sex to be read as pathetic, not positive, I described what I think of as such a pathetic existence, that I thought everyone else would read that way too. A man who spends literally 12 hours a day hunched over a phone swiping on Tinder desperate to have sex with people he doesn't even like is really really pathetic. There's not a single redeeming part of how I chose to be (now I just spend 12 hours a day posting on the internet instead, much better). I didn't even scratch the surface, but figured much of it was better left unsaid. In hindsight I should have realised that it is difficult for a man to talk about sex without all men's sex = conquest = victory = heroic = manly baggage, I should have accounted for that. I can also see how it could also read like I'm trying to be a hero and saviour of women by revealing men's secrets as recompense for all the pathetic things I did but sadly there's no moral impetus, no (misguided) desire to right my wrongs, I am just compelled to participate in the exchange of information at any opportunity.

Anyway, I am not looking to be judged in any specific way, I disclaim that I'm a man when I think it matters in understanding my comment as most users here are assumed to be women (if registration was open, I'm sure there'd be a much higher number of men, lots of men love mess too, the chaos of Jack Monroe can be enjoyed by all) but otherwise I don't mention it, like when commenting about Chris Ingham's liquidation, or negotiating salary or Jason Arday killing himself or academia vs. business. I worry if my posts are disruptive because disruption means less information being shared (which is why I had hoped to delete my post in the dating thread after the comment suggesting it was bad (the shame of my post not being deleted and the ask for it to be deleted staying in the thread is pretty funny in hindsight)) but as long as they're useful in some way, I'm happy to be perceived as stupid or pathetic or foolish or naive or even a genius (not happened yet but maybe someday if I read enough I'll be smart).

Anyway anyway, words words words blah blah blah, in conclusion, I appreciate any time anyone takes to share their perspective on the internet because I crave insight. I'm not trolling over hot button issues, I really have spent dozens maybe even hundreds of hours trying to reconcile my knowledge that men are a danger to women while believing that trans people should have rights. Information is what I live for. I probably write tens of thousands of words per day on the internet, these posts on Tattle barely scratch the surface of my screed (although outside Tattle I'm usually screeding about business instead of things that matter).
If you’re genuine and want to post in good faith, that’s great. I just found your opening gambit about having spent your life surrounded by trans women rather suss (unless your parents ran a transvestite club at the latter end of the 20th century, I’m not sure how that’s possible) and your claim to being open to dating a trans woman equally implausible, since you say you were quite the swordsman prior to swearing off dating.

What I’m saying is, if you think wandering into this thread to educate us - because you know and love so many trans people - and help us learn the error of our ways, well you’re not the first. Just so you know ✌
 
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Vanelope

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It’s child abuse - destroying a child’s endocrine system, future sexual function, growth pattern and even brain development for clout is unforgivable and should be a crime.
 
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"I will say as a Black Trans lesbian, the rumors of denial for my multi-spirit existence are concerning. I’d also like to remind everyone there is a Trans genocide taking place right now in America. These kind of casual comments lead to violence and our deaths. If the “sources” are true, I would like to see the league take immediate action to correct anybody who refuses to affirm my identity or use my pronouns pay/me. The WNBA leadership has to show up and do the work. To tell a Black Trans woman she is not a woman or that the Trans experience is a “stunt”, is transphobic, bigoted and racist. It’s literally nazism and white supremacy. I think the commissioner may be demonstrating some white privilege, no?
 
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Mismatched Pegs

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I wonder is it's crossed Kelly Holmes' mind that she wouldn't be a Dame or a famous athlete if men were competing against her?
She'd be a nobody and a man would have all her accolades and accomplishments.
Yeah it's a bit of a liberty "it's not the winning that counts, it's about mental and physical wellbeing" coming from someone who's made a living from winning. Like, fuck the fuck off. Imagine if someone had told her "well yeah Kel, technically you did come first, but we're not going to award you any prize money because you can just make do with that warm fuzzing feeling in your tum tum"

There's a special place in hell reserved for the fuckers who deny the very thing they've benefitted from.
 
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So, Andrea Egan finally understands that the EHRC guidance isn't the problem and she has to fight to change the law. I look forward to her draft amendments to change the law to formally throw girls' and women's rights under the bus to appease a group of men.

Nice to know that the leader of a union whose members are overwhelming female continues to prioritise men over their members.🙄
 
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DoraMaar

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A 9-page leaflet to download and hand out if in danger of rape.
Worth carrying with you when you go out - keep it in a folder with your copy of For Women Scotland case.
How life is improving for women in this modern age.
KJK (on X) has commented that if you need one of these leaflets, you shouldn't be in the country to which some has added that if you think it will work, you shouldn't be in government.
 
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MaineCoonMama

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No man could resist these gorgeous goddesses who obviously have better breasts than any man alive has ever encountered. Look at them, they're the Three Graces made flesh.
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DoraMaar

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Cats among Scottish pigeons - the Proclaimers are TERFs

“I’m not transphobic. I’m not against a man identifying as a woman, dressing as a woman. I’m not against any of that. All I’m against is saying that he actually is a woman when he’s not a woman. A lot of these folk are basically truth-phobic. They’ll deny the biological reality. Then if you insist on it, they’ll say that you are hurting their feelings. That you’re disrespecting them. But I respect reality and scientific fact, not myth.”
... “I think it’s the Left losing their collective mind. JK Rowling: I think she was absolutely wrong on Scottish independence and has been proved wrong. But I think she’s absolutely right on women’s rights rights"


"The Proclaimers: The trans lobby are truth-phobic

... Craig didn’t vote SNP for the first time since 1983. That reason was “the anger that I still feel that they passed a self ID bill which was so bad”. He’s talking about the 2022 Gender Recognition Reform Bill that makes it easier for individuals to change their legal gender. “It’s so badly done that it inevitably led to violent men, including convicted rapists, being sent to women’s prison. For me, that is unforgivable.”

This particular topic, in turn, informed the writing of the album’s title track. You May Offend is about what the twins see as the imperilment of free speech. “Just by giving out the thoughts in your head,” croons Craig in the sweeping ballad, “you may reach a point where some will wish you dead.”

“There’s women, actual women, who are threatened with violence – sometimes get violence – and de-platformed because they have the temerity to say that a woman is an adult human female,” says Craig. “And they are shouted down by 0.5 per cent in a population who are male and who think that because they put on a dress, and they put on make-up, that that makes them a female.”

“People have lost their careers over that,” says Charlie. “Linehan was the obvious one. None of his pals stood up for him. I wouldn’t agree with everything Linehan says any more than I would do with JK Rowling,” he continues of the Harry Potter author, whose vociferous support of women’s rights, like Linehan’s, has led to her being pilloried by the trans lobby. “But you’ve got the right to stand up for science and logic. And in his case, it’s a tragedy. He lost his career for telling the truth.”
They insist that they say this not with bile. “It’s incredulity at a lot of what’s going on,” clarifies Craig, although he will allow that their views could be a function of age. “Anybody, as they get older, maybe that [feeling] does take over. You don’t understand the way that the world is now the way that you did before. Maybe that’s true. But some of the stuff I see now, it’s laughable.”
Nonetheless, whatever your age, thinks Charlie, “you have to stand up to say, ‘I disagree.’ Or, ‘I very much agree with this person.’ And you take the consequences.”

He highlights the public distancing from Rowling of Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint, the former child stars of the Harry Potter films – or, as he pithily describes them, “those f---ing bairns who Rowling made massive fortunes [for]… It was not necessary that each of them stood up and agreed with her. But you would have thought someone would stand up and say, ‘We live in a free country. Thank goodness we have freedom of speech. She is exercising her right to a point of view. I do not necessarily support it. But I support her right to say something.’ I don’t remember any of them saying anything [like that].”
This, explains Craig, is why he wrote You May Offend. “We’re getting the stage now where people are getting scared to say what they think because people are being cancelled. Because people have been prosecuted or threatened by prosecution.”

... Having known them for so long, I wouldn’t have said that the Reids have a discriminatory bone in their body. Grumpy old men, perhaps. Still: is Craig not worried that, in saying these things, he’s presenting as transphobic?

“I’m not transphobic. I’m not against a man identifying as a woman, dressing as a woman. I’m not against any of that. All I’m against is saying that he actually is a woman when he’s not a woman. A lot of these folk are basically truth-phobic. They’ll deny the biological reality. Then if you insist on it, they’ll say that you are hurting their feelings. That you’re disrespecting them. But I respect reality and scientific fact, not myth.”
... “I think it’s the Left losing their collective mind. JK Rowling: I think she was absolutely wrong on Scottish independence and has been proved wrong. But I think she’s absolutely right on women’s rights rights"
 
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MaineCoonMama

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I can see the TRA talking points are starting to come out! How predictable.

Also, if you think a single, highly-posed (and possibly edited) photo = passing, then think for a moment about the other subtle tells that women can see but men often don’t. It’s the height, build, shoulder width, head shape, gait, voice, and so on.

Whereas men think “that TW looks fuckable” and that’s it.
My thoughts exactly. We've gone from "educate me' to 'your husband wouldn't question a troon' with a photo of Rumer Willis thrown in amongst them because she happens to have a prominent jaw.
 
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I found breast feeding difficult and ultimately formula gave my baby most of their nutrition. But you'd have had to pry my child out of my cold dead hands before I'd ever allow some sick and twisted man to try to feed them
 
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