Gender Discussion #108

[ChastityDingle]

Was in M&S Mary Street, Dublin today. All fitting rooms, over the three floors, just have FITTING ROOMS on the sign outside. I imagine it is the same for the other two Dublin stores.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

When I couldnt find the ladies changing room at M & S, i just decided to try the bra on (over my clothes ) on the shop floor! After seeing a woman doing the same at our local Tesco, where all the changing rooms have been removed!!

Perhaps we should all start buying umpteen garments - several each of same style, different sizes - and then returning them a couple of days for refund and make it clear that had there been a women's changing room it would have saved us, and them, the bother of refunding.

I'd be very interested to know what proportion of their profits comes from the tr4nny demographic. Not a very large one, I'll be bound.

 

[minimaz]

Was in M&S Mary Street, Dublin today. All fitting rooms, over the three floors, just have FITTING ROOMS on the sign outside. I imagine it is the same for the other two Dublin stores.

Thats the one with the infamous mens toilets, no reason anyone would feels unsafe sharing changing facitilies in there I'm sure

For those blissfully unaware this is just the first few

 

[minimaz]

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...ple-segregation-parliament-supreme-court-ehrc

Heartbreaking article in the guardian today. Apparently there's been a shared understanding of the law for decades until now. Really?? Shared by who? The trans community? Main worries are toilets (as always) and being placed on a mens ward in hospital (more worried about his own discomfort than the actual womens on the ward that he'd rather be on). Also bangs on about how the government can stop this at any time! Is that even true? I thought the law was the law & the Supreme Court was the final stop for this?

Haven't we been told constantly that there is nothing stopping men coming into the womens toilets, so they're not safe already, so then why are trans women so unsafe in the mens?

This is about validation, no aspect of rights law gives the person a right to have provision that makes them feel a certain way. Imagine if a disabled person objected to a seperate self enclosed disabled toilet rather than a disabled cubicle because they didn't get to share the facilities like hand basins with the others of their sex. They'd be given short shrift as long as there are situable usable facilities, it doesn't matter what emotions you have about it.

The only thing thats been "taken away" are rights that never existed

 

[Metropolis]

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Yeah, mate, we don't want you in our spaces.

He can run from the truth, but he can’t hide…

 

[Red80's]

Michael Foran posted this on twitter.

 

[JAR21]

When I couldnt find the ladies changing room at M & S, i just decided to try the bra on (over my clothes ) on the shop floor! After seeing a woman doing the same at our local Tesco, where all the changing rooms have been removed!!

If I want anything from M&S, I order enough for free delivery and send back what I don't want. If they can't provide me with privacy, they can provide me with postage!

 

[Weebles Wobble]

"Trans people will be left with a choice between researching toilet provision every time we go out". So f*cking tone deaf. What do they think women have been doing for years? What do they think disabled people do?

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Welcome to my partner's world, Trans person, (not aimed at you, Cokey).

I have to research toilet provision, parking provision, accessible access - not to mention all the equipment and items I carry with us too. Sometimes I have to ask family to accompany us, because I just need an extra pair of hands.

But I also remember the days before towns didn't have as much accessible access, including suitable toilets. Disabled and / or elderly people really were stuck at home far more than they are now. Disabled people campaigned long and hard to get the provision we have now. Is there more to be done? Definitely! But we've come a long way.

Similarly with women's rights. @Mismatched Pegs I agree with everything you said, it's so easy to think that women's rights have always existed when you don't realise how hard women fought for them. And it's not that long ago, although when you're young it does seem to be.

Gay rights have also been won within my life time. And again, fought for (and no, not be the "Trans" as much as they want you to believe that).

What do TIM do?

Attach themselves to the LGB. Adopt their terminology. Make everything about themselves.

Conflate being Trans with having DSD's, using these conditions as a smokescreen.

Take over Women's spaces. Toilets, changing places, grape support, DV shelters, breast-feeding groups, miscarriage groups, menopause groups, WI, Girl Guides..anything and everything that should be single sex.

Complain bitterly that using the Disabled toilets is segregation.

Yes, ideally, all blocks of cubicles would include a Disabled / Accessible toilet, with a separate unisex one plus a Changing Places toilet for those who need someone to assist them. But realistically, how many buildings have the room?

My partner no longer has the choice to use the Men's due to both accessibility and the fact I need to accompany him. Neither of us feel "segregated" by using a Disabled / Accessible toilet (maybe because we remember a time when they were very few and far between, so appreciate having one to use).

So yeah, Alex, either use the Men's or start campaigning for your own spaces. And stop throwing words like "segregation" around.

I'll leave you with some old newspaper snippets about Disabled toilets.

 

[Moon Face]

Haven't we been told constantly that there is nothing stopping men coming into the womens toilets, so they're not safe already, so then why are trans women so unsafe in the mens?

Indeed. The TW will be attacked in the men's, so they need to come into the women's. This isn't a problem because if a man wanted to attack a woman he would just walk in.

Therefore the TW is no safer in the women's toilet.

 

[Miss Ophelia]

When did society lose its way? Everything in place in society has been a hard fought battle for all involved be it gender, woman, disability rights it has all had to be paid and fought for I realise that younger folk might not realise as it has been there throughout their life time but it really wasn’t that long ago maybe we need to bring back recent history and society find it way back to respect shame and learn that every action has a reaction it’s like a free for all and to hell with the consequences boundaries need bringing back. Omo

 

[Notworthy]

When did society lose its way? Everything in place in society has been a hard fought battle for all involved be it gender, woman, disability rights it has all had to be paid and fought for I realise that younger folk might not realise as it has been there throughout their life time but it really wasn’t that long ago maybe we need to bring back recent history and society find it way back to respect shame and learn that every action has a reaction it’s like a free for all and to hell with the consequences boundaries need bringing back. Omo

Slightly OT but you can see the same with vaccinations and School attendance. Things get taken for granted and then become optional because we no longer have direct experience of the consequences of not participating.

 

[minimaz]

Slightly OT but you can see the same with vaccinations and School attendance. Things get taken for granted and then become optional because we no longer have direct experience of the consequences of not participating.

I had older parents so unlike most of my generation who are having children, I have a close family member who died of a now preventable disease. My Dads older sister died of polio a few months before the vaccine. He named my older sister after her.

The memory of all those children who died or were disabled because of things like polio was far too quickly forgotten by most.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

I had older parents so unlike most of my generation who are having children, I have a close family member who died of a now preventable disease. My Dads older sister died of polio a few months before the vaccine. He named my older sister after her.

The memory of all those children who died or were disabled because of things like polio was far too quickly forgotten by most.

We're seeing it now - measles is just regarded as having a few spots - people don't realise that it can be a killer! Or can leave a child blind or deaf. And though chicken pox isn't usually dangerous to otherwise healthy children, it can be deadly to anyone with a weakened immune system. I'm in my 70s and knew classmates crippled by polio.

 

[IKickLikeKatya]

When did society lose its way? Everything in place in society has been a hard fought battle for all involved be it gender, woman, disability rights it has all had to be paid and fought for I realise that younger folk might not realise as it has been there throughout their life time but it really wasn’t that long ago maybe we need to bring back recent history and society find it way back to respect shame and learn that every action has a reaction it’s like a free for all and to hell with the consequences boundaries need bringing back. Omo

I'm sure there are dozens of reasons for the current state of things but I observe a lot of some toxic form of individualism. A lot of people competing for being unique and special, for narcissist validation, desperately. Adults screaming like little kids because it's someone else's birthday but they want to blow out the candles on the cake.

 

[soph30]

Stop making noise ladies

 

[funkimunki1984]

Just read a newspaper article that trans people have access to the VIP line for HMRC. All because they changed gender.

 

[minimaz]

Crossdressing is considered to be trans under the stonewall umbrella. Also this never happens

Jail for Donegal man who sexually abused girl (9) while cross-dressing

archived 27 May 2026 22:14:19 UTC

archive.ph

 

[Ceelea]

Filthy perv... I hope he never knows peace.

 

[Funny_bunny]

Apologies if this has been posted before but it makes such an excellent point

 

[Funny_bunny]

Meanwhile, the wonderful James Dreyfus hits the nail on the head with the M&S manager.