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It serves the bleep right.
It does. But, the more the TRAs behave like this, the more people like Radcliffe (who I suspect just isn't one of life's great thinkers and has genuinely supported trans rights because - in his eyes - it's the right thing to do) wake up and go "eh?! But I've supported them. Why have they turned on me?" Then they start to look a little more critically at the way JKR and others who speak out are treated, and make their merry way to the top of the mountain. They learn that nothing but 100% compliance is ever enough. There can be no questioning of the doctrine.
 
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Men can get it. My husband had it and tried to commit suicide. It was bleeping brutal.
"Postnatal" (also known as postpartum) refers to the period immediately after childbirth. It generally lasts 6 to 8 weeks, though physical and emotional recovery can extend much longer. This phase involves the body returning to its pre-pregnancy state alongside critical medical, mental, and developmental care for both mother and newborn.
 
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Men can get it. My husband had it and tried to commit suicide. It was bleeping brutal.
That must've been horrific, I'm sorry you both went through that.

My point was that men pretend they suffer menstrual symptoms and feel qualified to speak about endometriosis and whatever else is specific to women. I meant a certain type of msn like TIMs and AGPs hi-jacking women's health issues.
 
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That must've been horrific, I'm sorry you both went through that.

My point was that men pretend they suffer menstrual symptoms and feel qualified to speak about endometriosis and whatever else is specific to women. I meant a certain type of msn like TIMs and AGPs hi-jacking women's health issues.
It took what should have been a super happy time to something which put me off having more kids.
He was always so happy to lucky and then it was like the light went out. I hope I never see him like that again.
I think postpartum depression in men does need its own classification, I’m not entirely sure as to what it should be but I think more men have some form of depression after the birth of their babies than we know. PND doesn’t quite fit it but they suffer some form of it
 
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The SNP and the Scottish Prison Service continue to wilfully break the law. What the hell is wrong with them?

It's not complicated - get men out of women's prisons. What do they need to consult on? It’s disgraceful that they continue to think that they are above the law.

JKR has once again offered to fund any women prisoners who want to sue the prison service. I hope that some of them take her up on the offer.

What will it take for the UK governments and public bodies to realise that women's rights are not negotiable?
 
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I don't think that I posted this last week. It's a terribly argued rant, for want of a better word, from Ian Dunt that is ill-informed and legally incoherent. It is based on the popular misconception that the EHRC guidance is the law. It's rage inducing.



Akua has taken on the thankless task of comprehensively rebuttal of Dunt's nonsense. This is the first part of her analysis. It is a clear and coherent dismantling of his article. It's a long read, but definitely worth it if you have time.

I admire her writing and analysis, but even moreso, her fortitude in diving into the mess that Dunt produced. Unfortunately, in terms of educating him, I suspect that this is a futile exercise. He is one who has chosen a path of wilful ignorance. To paraphrase JKR, he's ignorant of how ignorant he is. And has the unwarranted confidence of a centrist dad.
 
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Dear scumbag b filth website,

I don't "identify as" a woman, I am a motherfucking woman.

This is a disgusting way to check the gender of those signing up. I've seen this more than once, too.
 
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twit claiming he's got post natal depression!

I dunno - having children is a life-changing event for men too.
Obviously men don't go through the physical and massive hormones, but he's not claiming this - he says he experienced depression and wants to be a good male role model for his daughters and to protect them from the manosphere 🤷‍♀️
 
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I don't think that I posted this last week. It's a terribly argued rant, for want of a better word, from Ian Dunt that is ill-informed and legally incoherent. It is based on the popular misconception that the EHRC guidance is the law. It's rage inducing.



Akua has taken on the thankless task of comprehensively rebuttal of Dunt's nonsense. This is the first part of her analysis. It is a clear and coherent dismantling of his article. It's a long read, but definitely worth it if you have time.

I admire her writing and analysis, but even moreso, her fortitude in diving into the mess that Dunt produced. Unfortunately, in terms of educating him, I suspect that this is a futile exercise. He is one who has chosen a path of wilful ignorance. To paraphrase JKR, he's ignorant of how ignorant he is. And has the unwarranted confidence of a centrist dad.
I can't listen to Dunt and Dorian Lynskey's podcast because they make me so mad these days. It's a shame because some of the topics they cover are really interesting but the pair of them are so off-putting with their tone of moral superiority and "we're the good guys" that they make me want to vom (and one of them has a laugh that makes me want to jab forks into my ears)
They both very much fall under the heading of "anyone who objects to women's rights being taken away by transwomen just (a) are nasty far right bigots (b) haven't thought about it properly and so have come to the wrong conclusion or (c) just too stupid to understand that transwomen are the most important people on the planet". They're so bleeping sure of themselves and their position, that it's never occurred to them that women might actually have - and be entitled to - rights. Because deep down they understand that "Trans Rights are Men's Rights" and they're all about the men.
 
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I dunno - having children is a life-changing event for men too.
Obviously men don't go through the physical and massive hormones, but he's not claiming this - he says he experienced depression and wants to be a good male role model for his daughters and to protect them from the manosphere 🤷‍♀️
He says he had postnatal depression, which he can't have, as that's caused by a hormonal imbalance due to pregnancy and birth. I'm quite happy to accept he had depression, but it certainly wasn't postnatal.
 
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The SNP and the Scottish Prison Service continue to wilfully break the law. What the hell is wrong with them?

It's not complicated - get men out of women's prisons. What do they need to consult on? It’s disgraceful that they continue to think that they are above the law.

JKR has once again offered to fund any women prisoners who want to sue the prison service. I hope that some of them take her up on the offer.

What will it take for the UK governments and public bodies to realise that women's rights are not negotiable?
Loving that JK is helping women prisoners, not that the SNP and Prison Service are breaking the law just to be clear. 🦕💜🤍💚
 
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It does. But, the more the TRAs behave like this, the more people like Radcliffe (who I suspect just isn't one of life's great thinkers and has genuinely supported trans rights because - in his eyes - it's the right thing to do) wake up and go "eh?! But I've supported them. Why have they turned on me?" Then they start to look a little more critically at the way JKR and others who speak out are treated, and make their merry way to the top of the mountain. They learn that nothing but 100% compliance is ever enough. There can be no questioning of the doctrine.
PMSL! 🤣
 
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He says he had postnatal depression, which he can't have, as that's caused by a hormonal imbalance due to pregnancy and birth. I'm quite happy to accept he had depression, but it certainly wasn't postnatal.
I get what you are saying, but he says he was depressed after the birth of his children - so it is post natal - but it needs a different term.
 
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He says he had postnatal depression, which he can't have, as that's caused by a hormonal imbalance due to pregnancy and birth. I'm quite happy to accept he had depression, but it certainly wasn't postnatal.
I agree. I have always felt it denigrates women - and the physical, hormonal and psychological storm they go through after childbirth - if we can say men get postnatal depression too.

Of course men can experience depression due to the immense shock and upheaval of a baby blowing up their lives (they can experience trauma after a traumatic birth too) but it’s not postnatal depression.
 
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Puberty blocker trials for 11 year olds. How can we fight this? It looks like we can't.

I've rarely felt so hopeless as I do at this news.
It can surely be fought with the science itself. Just because children are signed up for a trial, surely on one level this doesnt necessarily mean that puberty blockers will be prescribed?
If the NHS has any sense, they will proceed with immense caution. The children will be given proper counselling that provides a balanced perspective about why they feel they need these puberty blockers, In this way the children and their parents will be reassured that their wishes are being taken seriously, as they are.
In the meantime the scientists and NHS and of course the media, will be reviewing the 'treatments' available and check the whole risks and benefits scenario that any drug taken needs.

If the scientists and the media then start discussing the risks around puberty blockers sensibly...the ones Im remembering are: ..things like the enforced sterility, never ever having the chance to have a child naturally, the chemical changes to the body, and things like lower bone density, (im not sure I know them all, but Im sure they are bad!) The potential lack of ever having an orgasm or sexual function on any level ....

balanced against the desire/need/ feeling that they are a different gender or sex. (Which maybe also needs a bit of redefinition, about what exactly is meant by gender or sex? )
The desire for boys to wear a dress or girls to wear trousers, or boys to wear make up and girls to go make up free, the ability to cross dress ( which of course you can choose to in any case do regardless of sex)
And maybe also a conversation about same sex attraction, leaving aside all the ''be kind'' arguments , what are the definitions of lesbianism and homosexuality? Thinking of the numbers of sensible people who comment about issues like why should a lesbian be attracted to a transwoman? as surely this contradicts the definition of lesbian as same sex attracted?
Personally I think this kind of discussion could get complicated extremely quickly, because so much of the detail has to be about personal choice, and cannot be ....defined.......and its also so personal individual sexuality and preferences have nothing to do with me
Theres due to be a documentary soon about Queen James, the king of Scotland and Great Britain in the time of the Tudors, who had ambiguous relationships with both men and women, interesting but difficult to define!
 
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Children can’t use the internet but have the maturity to choose to render themselves infertile 🤯

While I do think the internet thing is a sledgehammer to crack a nut scenario, I’d be interested to see if lack of internet access kills the born in the wrong body mental contagion. I was on a train yesterday and there were a load of kids going to pride (i assume). No rainbows anymore (except in the progress pride flag), just a sea of that sickly pink and blue 🤮
 
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