Gender Discussion #108

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Being a Trans supporter/ally seems always to start with switching your brain off and becoming your thicker self.
I think people who claim biological sex is just a trivial irrelevance and you can claim to be whatever and it’s true are either very stupid or dishonest. I actually can’t get my head around anyone believing that TWAW. Men don’t look and certainly don’t behave like women. However they “identify” ( I loathe that word in this context, it’s like “be kind”) they’re wired up to think and behave like men.
Every single one of those MPs signing that EDM are an absolute disgrace.
 
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I think people who claim biological sex is just a trivial irrelevance and you can claim to be whatever and it’s true are either very stupid or dishonest. I actually can’t get my head around anyone believing that TWAW. Men don’t look and certainly don’t behave like women. However they “identify” ( I loathe that word in this context, it’s like “be kind”) they’re wired up to think and behave like men.
Every single one of those MPs signing that EDM are an absolute disgrace.
Indeed. That said, I do find these sorts of mass-signings save a lot of time - it’s handy to get a ready-made list of shameful idiots for future reference.
 
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A young person in my family (who we thankfully don’t speak to or see often) has decided to change name and pronouns. I don’t engage, I wont use the new name in conversation and I dont agree when people say is harmless or just being kind to do so. I’ve watched the older people try to juggle it and I refuse.
I hope in the future I am vindicated when they reverse course in the future but I fear they are getting a lot of attention for doing it at the minute.
 
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Bunch of people. The 129 (so far) MPs who have signed the Early Day Motion tabled by Nadia Whittome to reject the EHRC Code of Practice. The usual suspects - mostly Labour with Lib Dems, Greens, Plaid and SNP and independents like Corbyn and Abbott. They are bloody tiresome.


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a. My Liberal Democrat MP has just signed. I can't send him a letter about it as I've had dealings with him in my work mode (in which I have to admit he was very helpful) and he's coming to the launch of a voluntary project that I'm also involved with.
 
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A young person in my family (who we thankfully don’t speak to or see often) has decided to change name and pronouns. I don’t engage, I wont use the new name in conversation and I dont agree when people say is harmless or just being kind to do so. I’ve watched the older people try to juggle it and I refuse.
I hope in the future I am vindicated when they reverse course in the future but I fear they are getting a lot of attention for doing it at the minute.
It's a struggle to remember when someone changes their name. A childhood friend of mine didn't like her name and later changed it by deed poll (not because she was trans, just a personal choice). I can understand why she did this as her original name was horribly old fashioned but it took me years to adjust to calling her by her chosen name and I often slipped up without meaning to. Luckily she never had a hissy fit when I forgot!

I don't object to someone changing their name if they don't like it but pronouns are far more tricky and it's an outright lie to pretend that a female you may know is suddenly a 'he'.
 
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Bunch of people. The 129 (so far) MPs who have signed the Early Day Motion tabled by Nadia Whittome to reject the EHRC Code of Practice. The usual suspects - mostly Labour with Lib Dems, Greens, Plaid and SNP and independents like Corbyn and Abbott. They are bloody tiresome.


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And what do the rules mean for women Emily? Women who make up 51% of the population whose right to space is being taken over by the need for validation of men? Bunch of people indeed, not representing their whole constituency just a few. This is insanity.
 
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I concur with everyone’s feelings of anger and sadness about Whittome’s misogyny motion. I am a socialist (I don’t consider Labour to be even centre left any more) and some of the few politicians that I respected, like Corbyn and McDonnell, have made me feel furious that they cannot recognise or acknowledge this conflict between women’s rights and the demands of men’s rights activists. Women’s rights have been treated as a luxury belief, as an arrogance and at the expense of poor little men. A left wing man once told me that it was racist to question the absence of women’s rights in Afghanistan, as to do so is imposing a ‘white, Western women’s approach’. I used to find politics to be a source of hope; the potential to create positive change and to protect and advance human rights. Not any more, sadly. The ruling class throw little crumbs to the peasants and expect women to acquiesce, whilst they live lives of freedom and luxury. I HATE this.
 
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And what do the rules mean for women Emily? Women who make up 51% of the population whose right to space is being taken over by the need for validation of men? Bunch of people indeed, not representing their whole constituency just a few. This is insanity.
You can't blame Lady Nugee for being unaware of these matters - after all she is but a simple member of the Bar of England and Wales and married to a simple man who drives a white van most of the time but occasionally gets a gig as a Lord Justice assigned to the Court of Appeal - obviously clueless as to law and procedure as is his wife.

 
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I concur with everyone’s feelings of anger and sadness about Whittome’s misogyny motion. I am left wing (I don’t consider Labour to be even centre left any more) and some of the few politicians that I respected, like Corbyn and McDonnell, have made me feel furious that they cannot recognise or acknowledge this conflict between women’s rights and the demands of men’s rights activists. Women’s rights has been treated as a luxury belief, as an arrogance and at the expense of poor little men. A left wing man once told me that it was racist to question the absence of women’s rights in Afghanistan, as to do so is imposing a ‘white, Western, women’s approach’. I used to find politics to be a source of hope, the potential to create positive change and to protect and advance human rights. Not any more, sadly. The ruling class throw little crumbs to the peasants and expect women to acquiesce, whilst they live lives of freedom and luxury. I HATE this.
Women are considered, by political parties, to be useful for making cups of tea, delivering leaflets and door stepping at elections. I’ve had enough of every party going.
 
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Women are considered, by political parties, to be useful for making cups of tea, delivering leaflets and door stepping at elections. I’ve had enough of every party going.
… as well as useful idiots, who will table motions to destroy single sex spaces, even when they have been clarified in law.
 
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This is brilliant from Amanda Lindsey from Reform. '....throwing women under the camper van' has to be one of the finest lines ever uttered in Holyrood or, indeed, in any parliament.🤣
 
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I hate that this has thrown me into agreement with 'right wing' parties. This is the only thing im not left on and it's such a bonkers, disheartening place to be.
 
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I concur with everyone’s feelings of anger and sadness about Whittome’s misogyny motion. I am a socialist (I don’t consider Labour to be even centre left any more) and some of the few politicians that I respected, like Corbyn and McDonnell, have made me feel furious that they cannot recognise or acknowledge this conflict between women’s rights and the demands of men’s rights activists. Women’s rights have been treated as a luxury belief, as an arrogance and at the expense of poor little men. A left wing man once told me that it was racist to question the absence of women’s rights in Afghanistan, as to do so is imposing a ‘white, Western women’s approach’. I used to find politics to be a source of hope; the potential to create positive change and to protect and advance human rights. Not any more, sadly. The ruling class throw little crumbs to the peasants and expect women to acquiesce, whilst they live lives of freedom and luxury. I HATE this.
I have belatedly realised that the left has and will always be, about fighting for the rights of men
 
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Although my previous post was a criticism of left wing support of men’s rights, I don’t think this is a problem of only the left but of all political parties. Sexism is present on the right and the left of politics; it appears in slightly different ways. Reform want to repeal the Equality Act and I think that is a dangerous possibility.
 
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Although my previous post was a criticism of left wing support of men’s rights, I don’t think this is a problem of only the left but of all political parties. Sexism is present on the right and the left of politics; it appears in slightly different ways. Reform want to repeal the Equality Act and I think that is a dangerous possibility.
Yes you’re right. It’s men. I was just reflecting personally. I voted Labour for 40 years but I spoiled my ballot in the last election. I feel utterly betrayed
 
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