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Just saw this on Instagram… how the heck does anyone think this will work? What happens if and when intended parents change their mind? If the intended parents are 2 dads then are we changing the legal birth registration to not include mother? Just erasing the work of the woman who grew and birthed that baby for you? I don’t know how I feel about all this.
It’s utterly disgusting. I hate everything about surrogacy to start with and it just seems another way to treat women as nothing.
 
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Some of them do and some of them don't, but don't dare ask or assume. Either way you'll be an ignorant bigot! :rolleyes:
Speaking to non binaries who have pronouns they want you to guess, is like staring at the barrel of a gun in a game if Russian Roulette. Chances are you guess wrong and lose your head.
 
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Just saw this on Instagram… how the heck does anyone think this will work? What happens if and when intended parents change their mind? If the intended parents are 2 dads then are we changing the legal birth registration to not include mother? Just erasing the work of the woman who grew and birthed that baby for you? I don’t know how I feel about all this.
I think it's an appalling prospect.

Not only are you erasing the woman who carried the baby for 9 months (and who may also have provided the egg), treating her like a carrier bag, you are writing her out of the child's life forever - so even if, in 20, 30, 40 years time s/he tries to find the person who gave birth to her,/him there will be no records. Anyone who works with adopted people, or people brought up in care will confirm that the need to know where they have come from is often overwhelming and all-consuming.

And frankly, I think there should be even more diligence about babies born to surrogates, especially if they are being handed over to two (or more) men. This is because the parents - male, female, hetero, gay, bi - have not had the opportunity to develop a relationship with the baby during gestation. I think this will be a greater risk if sperm and egg are donated. No matter how much they want this baby in their family (and we'll assume it's for good reasons), a baby can be very hard work. A baby which has been snatched out of the womb and away from the arms of its mother is HIGHLY likely to be difficult to settle and perhaps feed.

We need to make sure that those babies are protected and the parents are supported if necessary. The baby must always come first. ALWAYS.
 
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I think it's an appalling prospect.

Not only are you erasing the woman who carried the baby for 9 months (and who my also have provided the egg), treating her like a carrier bag, you are writing her out of the child's life forever - so even if, in 20, 30, 40 years time s/he tries to find the person who gave birth to her, there will be no records. Anyone who works with adopted people, or people brought up in care will confirm that the need to know where they have come from is often overwhelming and all-consuming.

And frankly, I think there should be even more diligence about babies born to surrogates, especially if they are being handed over to two (or more) men. This is because the parents - male, female, heater, gay, bi - have not had the opportunity to develop a relationship with the baby during gestation. I think this will be a greater risk if sperm and egg are donated. No matter how much they want this baby in their family (and we'll assume it's for good reasons), a baby can be very hard work. A baby which has been snatched out of the womb and away from the arms of its mother is HIGHLY likely to be difficult to settle and perhaps feed.

We need to make sure that those babies are protected and the parents are supported if necessary. The baby must always come first. ALWAYS.
I totally agree. Adopted children often want to reconnect with their birth families when they are adults even if they had a happy life with their adoptive parents. They want you know what their relatives look like and see if they have any inherited family traits. I can see that surrogate mothers if they were the egg donor are in the same position. In future some of those kids may want to meet them.
It's totally unfair on the children and their needs should come first.
 
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Whether babies/children or animals, adopt don’t shop! Surrogacy is commercial breeding.
 
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This is from the petition page itself

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‘Even with no biological connection’. Scientific research indicates that the woman carrying the child can influence the baby's gene activity through the uterine environment, shaping the child's development, temperament, and health, regardless of the genetic origin of the egg. So yes, a child may well want to trace their birth mother even if they were conceived using a donor egg.
 
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I’ve seen countless wallys on x arguing that it doesn’t matter that park runs allow trans women in the women’s category. Well it does. This Instagram video with a sweet little persons voice realising their mum is number one is reason enough.
 
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Of course two men want a woman, the mother, to be reduced to an incubator and her baby to be a product to be bought. What if the product of that incubation was brain damaged during birth? 'Intended parents' doesn't mean compulsory parents or obligatory parents. Clearly they want the right to back out if their purchase comes with a 'defect'.
Honestly surrogacy should not be the industry it’s turned out to be. More and more like The Handmaid’s Tale everyday.
 
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Wobberley going off on one:

I loathe this evil woman with a passion. Of course she feels strongly about this -it’s how she makes her money. She is the one that is doing real harm. She has a medical degree but she’s been struck off, so can she even say she’s a doctor?
There were a few interviews with her in the winter, and I remember the interviewers afterwards saying they felt they were in the presence of evil. I can believe it. Someone who deliberately harms children and takes their future away from them is evil indeed.
 
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I loathe this evil woman with a passion. Of course she feels strongly about this -it’s how she makes her money. She is the one that is doing real harm. She has a medical degree but she’s been struck off, so can she even say she’s a doctor?
There were a few interviews with her in the winter, and I remember the interviewers afterwards saying they felt they were in the presence of evil. I can believe it. Someone who deliberately harms children and takes their future away from them is evil indeed.
Julie Bindel.
 
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BBC News - Keep Hampstead ponds access as is, body recommends


So Hampstead Ponds determined to go down fighting. Despite Sex Matters being granted the judicial review, they don't care.

I don't believe for a minute that 86% of the responses to the recent consultation supported the current position. That reminds me of elections in countries where the incumbent gets 97% of the votes.

They must think we're stupid to believe that is an accurate representation of the votes they received.

The contempt that people have for women is astounding. Phillipson is responsible for the continued flouting of the law by all and sundry.
 
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BBC News - Keep Hampstead ponds access as is, body recommends


So Hampstead Ponds determined to go down fighting. Despite Sex Matters being granted the judicial review, they don't care.

I don't believe for a minute that 86% of the responses to the recent consultation supported the current position. That reminds me of elections in countries where the incumbent gets 97% of the votes.

They must think we're stupid to believe that is an accurate representation of the votes they received.

The contempt that people have for women is astounding. Phillipson is responsible for the continued flouting of the law by all and sundry.
They'd have a better argument if there wasn't a mixed sex pond, if it was a binary choice male or female then I could see how an argument could be made (still wouldn't be legal post FWS but could make more sense)
 
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