Gender Discussion #105

[Tangerine Dream]

It's like the infamous coming out scene in Stranger Things 5.

While I was only a young kid in the late 80s when that was set, I still know that scene would have never played out anything like it did on the show were it resembling any kind of actual 1980s room full of people. It was ludicrous even for a show where monsters are real.

 

[JAR21]

To my mind, its insulting to the people then. We know women and some minorities weren't allowed to progress, so when you make say, a Poor Things, where the lead is just like 'I'll go to medical school in Victorian London', and everyone is just like 'Awesome, no woman ever thought of that before, we've no issue, though!' It suggests that the reason there was little progression then wasn't that were was measurable oppression, its just no one wanted it enough.
Same as a lot of the US films about civil rights like Hidden Figures or The Help, where the mean white ladies in the 60s are the power and enforcers behind racism while most of the white dudes (who were predominantly still in charge of law, education, etc.) look on baffled like 'What are you gals cat fighting about?'
Generally, films and books have gotten so lazy on this, lots of therapy speak that didn't exist 30 years ago, modern approaches in period set books. (I read Joe Hill, Stephen King's son's novel, King's Sorrow, bloody awful BTW, parts were set in the 90s but it was all 'I'm your emotional support system!' and 'Trans women are women!')

Isn't Stephen King's daughter a trannie, or non binary or whatever?

 

[ChastityDingle]

I know I’m in a tiny, tiny minority here, but here goes. I hate the “c” word with a passion.

I don't believe you are in a tiny tiny minority here? I absolutely hate that word and have never used it, in my life.

 

[JAR21]

These people are just nutters.

 

[Tangerine Dream]

I don't believe you are in a tiny tiny minority here? I absolutely hate that word and have never used it, in my life.

I'm not overly bothered but around my mum it is completely unspeakable so out of respect I never say it at home.

For my own upbringing, I had very involved grandparents and most swearing around them was a no no... although I did learn a few of the ruder words in Italian because my grandma despite being a very proper lady by default (strict Catholic upbringing in the 20s/30s) also sometimes had a mouth like a sewer if the mood took her. Props because she was one of ten kids and I imagine that's a quick way to pick up all sorts.

 

[FlowerOfTheEast]

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Someone at my work has posted about this holy day on our teams channel and I am sitting on my hands not to copy and paste this in.

 

[JAR21]

These people are just nutters.

This is from the same conference!

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Isn't Stephen King's daughter a trannie, or non binary or whatever?

I think you're right. I'm not sure if I saw somewhere that Terry Pratchett's daughter is, too, but I may wrong about that.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

These people are just nutters.

Good idea, Canada - let them clog the platform so that no-one else can get a word out.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

This is from the same conference!

"Thing chair" ?

"Chair thing" ?

 

[funkimunki1984]

So well said, I am loving this dicussion.

It's also put me in mind of how I just saw a clip for the new James Gunn Supergirl movie. It looks awful. I am never going to say that the Supergirl from the 80s is good because it wasn't, it's cringy and embarrassing with some truly horrendous acting and even worse dialouge one thing it got right was the balancing of being a very powerful (literally) and emotionally strong woman while also not being a cynical, quippy mess who likes to hate on and emasculate men. It's made me so weary that the new movie is going the route it's chosen. It's like feminity and grace are a big no no now, every woman in fiction has to be Strong Female Character who just sneers at everything as inferior in the way you know the writers behind the script do.

It's like there can only be one type of strong woman and it's so tedious to me.

I feel like good role models, even fictional ones, are vanishingly rare.

Big comic book fan here. Supergirl is actually like that in the comics so they’re making her comic book accurate. She was supposed to protect baby kal el (superman) when they were sent to earth, but he got here first and she ended up in the phantom some. By the time she got to earth as a teen, he was older than her, doing great and she was essentially defunct.
So her angsty teen self is why she is the way she is. She remembers krypton and how it was, whereas kal el doesn’t because he was a baby. She had to learn to love earth but she’d rather go get drunk somewhere with a red sun than accept her life.

sorry for the geeky rant. My ted talk has now finished lol.

 

[People-huv-tae-know]

From what I gather, all the non binary nazis are mis-gendering each other. This roaster even charges you for it. This is in Canada and I haven't read too deeply into yet so I might have got it wrong.

Gotta love the comments

The hairstyle really doesn't help.

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

I think you're right. I'm not sure if I saw somewhere that Terry Pratchett's daughter is, too, but I may wrong about that.

I think she’s an ally. She’s never going to live down giving Jack Monroe cash and cred for the Vimes Boots Index so I feel a bit sorry for her

 

[DoraMaar]

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

From what I gather, all the non binary nazis are mis-gendering each other. This roaster even charges you for it. This is in Canada and I haven't read too deeply into yet so I might have got it wrong.
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The hairstyle really doesn't help.
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It's funny . . . except that really it's not.

The narcissistic egoism is off the scale!

 

[DoraMaar]

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

When they say "Protect The Dolls" they should make it clear that they mean "Chucky".

 

[GingerWhinger]

we need help do you think the aliens will help if this is the future I would certainly be concerned about bring children into the world no wonder mental health is rising most folk don’t know what to make of it all. When will common sense prevail ?

Personally I hope they beam us all up & leave the rest of them to it. I need a holiday from all this lunacy.

 

[moldwarp]

Isn't Stephen King's daughter a trannie, or non binary or whatever?

I don't know about that but I'm convinced a lot of the most virulent TRAs in public life are that way because they have a severely mentally ill trans kid

Kier Starmer, Jolyon Maugham, David Tennant, just a few I know of

I don't care about the celebs quite so much but politicians with a trans kid should absolutely not be allowed anywhere near healthcare policy because they're clearly subject to a massive conflict of interest and unable to view the issue dispassionately

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

I don't have much time for Ben Houchen but an interesting announcement just days after the vote in Darlington. Comments overwhelming in favour, apart from the usual "but my toilet is unisex".

It's such an imbecilic attempt at a 'gotcha'. No one has an open-door policy whereby any random member of society is able to use their toilet, and your home toilet is a single-person room that locks from the inside.

I've been spied on by a man over the top of a cubicle in a publicly accessible toilet. Amazingly, this has never happened to me in my own home.