Florence Given

[urghmummybloggers]

does anyone know why munroe and megan haven't said anything about what's going on with FG and CE?

I saw a dm munroe sent saying something about only half a story being told but i didn't understand...

So far, all I’ve seen is that there’s half the story being told, Stephanie Yeboah hasn’t waded in and shared a message about forcing people to speak up on matters that they don’t need to (loudgrossbossy)
I think diving bell are going to either drop it or come back with some receipts.

 

[GossipLady]

yeah I totally get what you’re saying re: the race aspect making it easier to plagiarise or copy or whatever we wanna call it, from marginalised people. My issue is less so what CE herself is saying as such and more the kind of DMs she is getting from white women who I feel are trying to over compensate for white guilt and using this as an opportunity to prove they’re not racist, eg the example attached.

absolutely agree about diving bell, I think looking at the bigger picture of this situation, regardless of whether FG copied her or not, the actions of diving bell have been so crappy. And definitely agree with what you’re saying about other influencers on their books - I can understand them not wanting to publicly take sides in the copying claim (I’m sure they know lots that we don’t about both sides) but it is really disappointing that they haven’t said anything about the way Diving Bell has treated/spoken to Slumflower. I know I said it in my last post but that email she shared last night from that man was actually so horrible.

Agree. For me he is the worst person in all of this mess. And they've just made everything worse with their resulting actions.

does anyone know why munroe and megan haven't said anything about what's going on with FG and CE?

I saw a dm munroe sent saying something about only half a story being told but i didn't understand...

No idea. It is weird and disappointing.

 

[bunnyblue]

does anyone know why munroe and megan haven't said anything about what's going on with FG and CE?

I saw a dm munroe sent saying something about only half a story being told but i didn't understand...

I think Munroe is (understandably) staying away from the issue given everything she went through with L’oréal.
Megan has been staying offline (or off social media anyway) a lot more this year, so I’m kind of not surprised she’s not gotten involved, although she must have heard about it.

It really looks like Florence is going to wait as long as she can to be active again so it’s died down as much as possible.

 

[GossipLady]

I think Munroe is (understandably) staying away from the issue given everything she went through with L’oréal.
Megan has been staying offline (or off social media anyway) a lot more this year, so I’m kind of not surprised she’s not gotten involved, although she must have heard about it.

It really looks like Florence is going to wait as long as she can to be active again so it’s died down as much as possible.

I understand she had a difficult time with L'Oréal, but how hypocritical of her to still be signed to an agency who have clearly acted so morally wrong?

She is the first to tell us to act. But because she had a difficult experience, she doesn't have to anymore? I'm sorry I'm not buying it.

Megan has been off a lot yes. Not really an excuse though is it.

 

[korma]

Florence is back online. She's shared 3 fairly innocuous insta stories - all posts made by other people. One is signal boosting radamridwam trying to get their account back, one is a list of activists who help with navigating intimacy, and one is about coming out culture/ heteronormativity.

Tbh I think good for her. I don't think she actually did anything wrong with either her book or her statement and I don't think she deserves to be booted off the platform by the mob. Sure, she's quite annoying and up herself, but basically harmless. Let her and her fans have fun online.

RE Diving Bell, if I were them I'd be livid at how Chidera demanded they handle their own finances. I think they were well within their rights to basically say "and if we don't, then what?". Chidera got in over her head wading in and making demands and not being prepared to back them up and leverage her own power. It basically shows that Chidera didn't believe her demands (of DB making a BLM landing page on their site and donating £100/m to Black Pride) were really worth putting her own neck on the line for, she didn't really want to go as far as threatening to leave or go on strike.

It smacks of virtue signalling. I'm a trade unionist and one of the first things you have to understand when you're organising and trying to achieve an outcome from your employer is the bargaining power you have, i.e. what things can you leverage. That could be your labour (i.e. going on strike/ refusing to do any more work for the company til your demands are met), or your public endorsement of the company, etc. What assets do you have that this company relies on you for, that you can therefore hold over their heads as an ultimatum? To make such significant demands without being prepared to negotiate suggests massive naïvety and immaturity on Chidera's part. I can't believe she's still banging on about all this tbh.

 

[urghmummybloggers]

Florence is back online. She's shared 3 fairly innocuous insta stories - all posts made by other people. One is signal boosting radamridwam trying to get their account back, one is a list of activists who help with navigating intimacy, and one is about coming out culture/ heteronormativity.

Tbh I think good for her. I don't think she actually did anything wrong with either her book or her statement and I don't think she deserves to be booted off the platform by the mob. Sure, she's quite annoying and up herself, but basically harmless. Let her and her fans have fun online.

RE Diving Bell, if I were them I'd be livid at how Chidera demanded they handle their own finances. I think they were well within their rights to basically say "and if we don't, then what?". Chidera got in over her head wading in and making demands and not being prepared to back them up and leverage her own power. It basically shows that Chidera didn't believe her demands (of DB making a BLM landing page on their site and donating £100/m to Black Pride) were really worth putting her own neck on the line for, she didn't really want to go as far as threatening to leave or go on strike.

It smacks of virtue signalling. I'm a trade unionist and one of the first things you have to understand when you're organising and trying to achieve an outcome from your employer is the bargaining power you have, i.e. what things can you leverage. That could be your labour (i.e. going on strike/ refusing to do any more work for the company til your demands are met), or your public endorsement of the company, etc. What assets do you have that this company relies on you for, that you can therefore hold over their heads as an ultimatum? To make such significant demands without being prepared to negotiate suggests massive naïvety and immaturity on Chidera's part. I can't believe she's still banging on about all this tbh.

You’ve articulated my thoughts perfectly - I can’t understand how she’s demanding a BLM landing page in lieu of doing her actual job she’s paid to do, I would have nipped that in the bud as well.

 

[elttat]

Florence is back online. She's shared 3 fairly innocuous insta stories - all posts made by other people. One is signal boosting radamridwam trying to get their account back, one is a list of activists who help with navigating intimacy, and one is about coming out culture/ heteronormativity.

Tbh I think good for her. I don't think she actually did anything wrong with either her book or her statement and I don't think she deserves to be booted off the platform by the mob. Sure, she's quite annoying and up herself, but basically harmless. Let her and her fans have fun online.

RE Diving Bell, if I were them I'd be livid at how Chidera demanded they handle their own finances. I think they were well within their rights to basically say "and if we don't, then what?". Chidera got in over her head wading in and making demands and not being prepared to back them up and leverage her own power. It basically shows that Chidera didn't believe her demands (of DB making a BLM landing page on their site and donating £100/m to Black Pride) were really worth putting her own neck on the line for, she didn't really want to go as far as threatening to leave or go on strike.

It smacks of virtue signalling. I'm a trade unionist and one of the first things you have to understand when you're organising and trying to achieve an outcome from your employer is the bargaining power you have, i.e. what things can you leverage. That could be your labour (i.e. going on strike/ refusing to do any more work for the company til your demands are met), or your public endorsement of the company, etc. What assets do you have that this company relies on you for, that you can therefore hold over their heads as an ultimatum? To make such significant demands without being prepared to negotiate suggests massive naïvety and immaturity on Chidera's part. I can't believe she's still banging on about all this tbh.

I'm a little confused, can you expand on what you mean here?
I thought she gave her notice precisely because of the guy's response to not wanting to donate and set up the landing page?

Should she have striked instead of giving notice?

 

[korma]

I'm a little confused, can you expand on what you mean here?
I thought she gave her notice precisely because of the guy's response to not wanting to donate and set up the landing page?

Should she have striked instead of giving notice?

She was basically having a hissy fit about Diving Bell having the ~~audacity~~ to ask her what would happen if they didn't concede to her demands. Which suggests she naïvely didn't expect any pushback when she decided to cost them £100 a month more than they had originally signed up for. So basically trying to change the terms of her contract whilst not giving DB any extra value for their money. She was naïve as duck not to expect them to ask what she intended to do if they said no. That's not them forcing her out, it's literally them seeing where they stood in order to negotiate. She says Justin (of DB) gave her an "ultimatum" but she's the one who was trying to put pressure on HIM to get her demands met.

 

[GossipLady]

She was basically having a hissy fit about Diving Bell having the ~~audacity~~ to ask her what would happen if they didn't concede to her demands. Which suggests she naïvely didn't expect any pushback when she decided to cost them £100 a month more than they had originally signed up for. So basically trying to change the terms of her contract whilst not giving DB any extra value for their money. She was naïve as duck not to expect them to ask what she intended to do if they said no. That's not them forcing her out, it's literally them seeing where they stood in order to negotiate. She says Justin (of DB) gave her an "ultimatum" but she's the one who was trying to put pressure on HIM to get her demands met.

What is so wrong to expect a company who is run by white people, who are preaching about BLM, who manage black people and make money off them, to donate a small amount of the money they make to BLM? Also they complained about her demand to add a BLM landing page but then did it anyway? She also said in their original meeting they actually eventually agreed, then changed their minds again. They were free to say no, originally, then they could've parted ways, but they weren't as open as that. It also doesn't excuse their abhorrent behaviour following this.

 

[urghmummybloggers]

What is so wrong to expect a company who is run by white people, who are preaching about BLM, who manage black people and make money off them, to donate a small amount of the money they make to BLM? Also they complained about her demand to add a BLM landing page but then did it anyway? She also said in their original meeting they actually eventually agreed, then changed their minds again. They were free to say no, originally, then they could've parted ways, but they weren't as open as that. It also doesn't excuse their abhorrent behaviour following this.

Didn’t that man’s email state that they already donate to several causes?

I think it’s naive to suggest to a relatively small company that they add £100 to their expenditure because you want them to.

Do they donate or potentially use that £100 to support new talent? Or £100 extra for their current roster or talent? Regardless of my role and who I work for, if I told my company that I’m holding back work because I want them to change their whole website structure (which costs time and money) and increase their charitable donations then they have every right to say no to her.

 

[korma]

What is so wrong to expect a company who is run by white people, who are preaching about BLM, who manage black people and make money off them, to donate a small amount of the money they make to BLM? Also they complained about her demand to add a BLM landing page but then did it anyway? She also said in their original meeting they actually eventually agreed, then changed their minds again. They were free to say no, originally, then they could've parted ways, but they weren't as open as that. It also doesn't excuse their abhorrent behaviour following this.

What do you consider the abhorrent behaviour exactly?

And I can't believe this needs pointing out, but Chidera DOES take home the majority of profits from her work - so the majority of profits ARE going into the black community. I don't know how much DB's cut is exactly but the vast majority will stay with Chidera. If she wants proceeds of her book to go to a charity, that's her prerogative - DB manage their own finances and have indicated they already make their own donations to black causes.

DB are being paid for the work they do for Chidera. She's essentially asking them to do the same amount of work for her, for a lower price than was originally agreed. If she didn't want white people to make their living by promoting her and furthering her career, she should have thought about that in the beginning and hired a black manager.

 

[GossipLady]

She was basically having a hissy fit about Diving Bell having the ~~audacity~~ to ask her what would happen if they didn't concede to her demands. Which suggests she naïvely didn't expect any pushback when she decided to cost them £100 a month more than they had originally signed up for. So basically trying to change the terms of her contract whilst not giving DB any extra value for their money. She was naïve as duck not to expect them to ask what she intended to do if they said no. That's not them forcing her out, it's literally them seeing where they stood in order to negotiate. She says Justin (of DB) gave her an "ultimatum" but she's the one who was trying to put pressure on HIM to get her demands met.

What is so wrong to expect a company who is run by white people, who are preaching about BLM, who manage black people and make money off them, to donate a small amount of the money them make to BLM? Also they complained about her demand to add a BLM landing page but then did it anyway? She also said in their original meeting they actually eventually agreed, them changed their minds again. They were free to say no, originally, then they could've parted ways, but they weren't as open as that. It also doesn't excuse their abhorrent

Didn’t that man’s email state that they already donate to several causes?

I think it’s naive to suggest to a relatively small company that they add £100 to their expenditure because you want them to.

Do they donate or potentially use that £100 to support new talent? Or £100 extra for their current roster or talent? Regardless of my role and who I work for, if I told my company that I’m holding back work because I want them to change their whole website structure (which costs time and money) and increase their charitable donations then they have every right to say no to her.

They showed no evidence of this... so I think really you can't assume that they do. She is saying they didn't enough. So it is up in the air but I haven't seen anything on their social media or website about such. Again, as I said, they could've explained, they could have parted ways. They said they wouldn't, then would, then wouldn't - not very professional is it?

She stated what she felt comfortable with which she is entitled to do it any working environment. I think you're kind of forgetting that they are management too - it isn't a paid job that she has with them, management works by the person being managed paying the management I would imagine... then they both can profit of work the person being managed does too. So they have a responsibility for her and her causes too.

Adding a landing page to a website does not change the whole structure. They didn't create it. It is existed already and other companies had used it. It was an open source thing for companies to add to their websites. I work in IT, it is not a difficult thing to do. Plus, they did it anyway?

 

[korma]

What is so wrong to expect a company who is run by white people, who are preaching about BLM, who manage black people and make money off them, to donate a small amount of the money them make to BLM? Also they complained about her demand to add a BLM landing page but then did it anyway? She also said in their original meeting they actually eventually agreed, them changed their minds again. They were free to say no, originally, then they could've parted ways, but they weren't as open as that. It also doesn't excuse their abhorrent

They showed no evidence of this... so I think really you can't assume that they do. She is saying they didn't enough. So it is up in the air but I haven't seen anything on their social media or website about such. Again, as I said, they could've explained, they could have parted ways. They said they wouldn't, then would, then wouldn't - not very professional is it?

She stated what she felt comfortable with which she is entitled to do it any working environment. I think you're kind of forgetting that they are management too - it isn't a paid job that she has with them, management works by the person being managed paying the management I would imagine... then they both can profit of work the person being managed does too. So they have a responsibility for her and her causes too.

Adding a landing page to a website does not change the whole structure. They didn't create it. It is existed already and other companies had used it. It was an open source thing for companies to add to their websites. I work in IT, it is not a difficult thing to do. Plus, they did it anyway?

I think they changed their minds because Chidera later emailed them indicating that she wouldn't go ahead with plans for a podcast until they had conceded to her demands - which she hadn't mentioned at the meeting the previous day. I wouldn't wanna work with a client like that who tries to force changes of contract on me by being unclear and continually moving the goal posts.

 

[urghmummybloggers]

What is so wrong to expect a company who is run by white people, who are preaching about BLM, who manage black people and make money off them, to donate a small amount of the money them make to BLM? Also they complained about her demand to add a BLM landing page but then did it anyway? She also said in their original meeting they actually eventually agreed, them changed their minds again. They were free to say no, originally, then they could've parted ways, but they weren't as open as that. It also doesn't excuse their abhorrent

They showed no evidence of this... so I think really you can't assume that they do. She is saying they didn't enough. So it is up in the air but I haven't seen anything on their social media or website about such. Again, as I said, they could've explained, they could have parted ways. They said they wouldn't, then would, then wouldn't - not very professional is it?

She stated what she felt comfortable with which she is entitled to do it any working environment. I think you're kind of forgetting that they are management too - it isn't a paid job that she has with them, management works by the person being managed paying the management I would imagine... then they both can profit of work the person being managed does too. So they have a responsibility for her and her causes too.

Adding a landing page to a website does not change the whole structure. They didn't create it. It is existed already and other companies had used it. It was an open source thing for companies to add to their websites. I work in IT, it is not a difficult thing to do. Plus, they did it anyway?

There is also no proof that they don’t either I’m not going to take the word of someone who is clearly very personal about it. They haven’t issued any rebuttals about the latest from Chidera.

I’m really not “forgetting” anything, I have a different perspective to you, I’m not slow, you don’t need to explain the details of management to me. There’s a lot of presuming on your behalf around the structure of payment, I would suggest that Chidera “exposes” this next.

Also work in IT but I’ll continue to let you patronise me, for a small company with a shared service provider doing that work, it could be more expensive then their current budgets

 

[korma]

Ajabarber's recent stories (attached) say it perfectly imo. If you don't like an agency's ethics or decisions, don't sign with them in the first place just so you can personally profit from their expertise and then have the cheek to complain about it later.

 

[GossipLady]

There is also no proof that they don’t either I’m not going to take the word of someone who is clearly very personal about it. They haven’t issued any rebuttals about the latest from Chidera.

I’m really not “forgetting” anything, I have a different perspective to you, I’m not slow, you don’t need to explain the details of management to me. There’s a lot of presuming on your behalf around the structure of payment, I would suggest that Chidera “exposes” this next.

Also work in IT but I’ll continue to let you patronise me, for a small company with a shared service provider doing that work, it could be more expensive then their current budgets

Lol OK i think you're taking this a bit too personally

Ajabarber's recent stories (attached) say it perfectly imo. If you don't like an agency's ethics or decisions, don't sign with them in the first place just so you can personally profit from their expertise and then have the cheek to complain about it later.

She had been with them for years though, someone can appear to be for one thing and your impressions of them change whilst working with them. This happens to everyone in everyday life.

 

[urghmummybloggers]

Lol OK i think you're taking this a bit too personally

Personally? The only thing I took personally was your passive aggressive tone toward me.
Anything that starts with lol ok, it’s not that deep, we just don’t agree

 

[snarkvark]

I wonder why my comment got deleted? I'm guessing either a friend or Aja or Aja herself is a mod her, INTERESTING!

 

[stopthescams]

I honestly think all parties involved arent the greatest. There’s not one person I particularly feel sorry for. I can see people’s views from all perspectives tbh and all of it is valid for the most part I think

I think loudbossygross has annoyed me the most, riding on the coattails of Chidera, posting people’s DMs and taking people’s money for it

She went quiet, must’ve been told off, then popped back up when Chidera came back on stories.

 

[korma]

I wonder why my comment got deleted? I'm guessing either a friend or Aja or Aja herself is a mod her, INTERESTING!

What did your comment say?

I honestly think all parties involved arent the greatest. There’s not one person I particularly feel sorry for. I can see people’s views from all perspectives tbh and all of it is valid for the most part I think

I think loudbossygross has annoyed me the most, riding on the coattails of Chidera, posting people’s DMs and taking people’s money for it

She went quiet, must’ve been told off, then popped back up when Chidera came back on stories.

Ugh yeah I can't believe LBG is still at it and tagging both FG and CE in her stories. She's reposted a bunch of Florence's insta lives today and repeatedly tagged her, yet had the nerve a few weeks ago to say she wasn't trying to facilitate cyberbullying or a massive pile-on.