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Loving this thread. I’d love to emigrate…one of the things that puts me off is the spiders in Australia. Does that make me sound stupid?! Probably.

I’d love to move abroad for sure. I feel like I’m UK it’s merely a case of existing. Like not much hope either!
 
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Warpaint

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My sister in law and her family moved to NZ fifteen years ago and really regret it.
They are always complaining about the cost of living. The summers are too humid, the winters too wet. Random things they miss are the footpaths everywhere in the UK, the shops, the history.
They both work long hours and have long commutes. They say they are sick of people talking about the scenery as they say the novelty of lovely scenery soon wears off.
But their biggest regret is being so far from family and that has intensified over the years. The time difference makes even zoom catch ups tricky to organise and with elderly folk almost impossible.
She works in healthcare he is a solicitor.
They do have a lovely house but they say (he used to be a builder) that the standards of construction for homes is surprisingly poor.)
I’ve never been to NZ so these are not my observations by the way!
They emigrated in their late 40s.
I found NZ lacked culture generally. It was a weird mix of British and American. Then the Maoris kind of shoved to the side. It felt like 20 years behind the UK in everything. I can imagine it would get quite boring to live there for long period of time. I did 7 months and came back.

This is all just my perception and opinion of course!
 
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xbxbx

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Loving hearing everyone’s stories! Thank you all for sharing.




The visa thing takes some getting your head around doesn’t it! I think I would be able to get a skills based visa. I have a background in special education, but only problem is I haven’t completed the final stage of initial teacher training. I’m not sure if I could go and then complete my teacher training over there or whether it would be better doing my teacher training here. Seems a bit silly though doing teacher training here though if I won’t be following a UK curriculum!


At the moment, it’s just a loose idea but as time goes on, I’ve realised if I ever want to make it a reality and seriously have the option of making the change then I need to research and organise the feasibility of actually going out there. Where do you even start?! So far, I’m guessing it’s by saving a hell of a lot of money!!!!
The website anzscosearch is quite helpful. I’m not sure how accurate it is but you create a free account and can search jobs and it tells you which visa you are eligible for, which states accept it etc. It even gives you an idea of the average salary for each job too but as I say I’m not sure exactly how accurate or up to date the site is.
 
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TheGlossy

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We all face true poverty no matter where we live. In India like everywhere there are poor and rich, but you can avoid it if you want. In fact the poverty in the EU is the same rate as in India.

Regarding sexual harassment let's not forget India has 1.4 billion people so any statistic about rape as well as poverty etc. Is proportionate to the population. It does sound a bit iffy from your side because it is based on your own biases and assumptions. This happens everywhere and if anything I'd feel much safer in India than in some European countries. Statistically, an act of sexual violence happens every 70 seconds in the US. And in India? Every 16 minutes. Being anywhere in the world doesn't protect you from this, it's just the colonial mindset that makes people afraid/ look at others in a different way. The only reason why you would feel safer in the US is because its in the west, there are a lot of people that resemble you and your circles i.e. White people.

I'm not trying to change your mind or offend you, just wanted to point this out because it's a common misconception. I would highly recommend going on holiday there and experience first hand 😊
Well, your post based on false assumptions here. I'm not "white" or at least, I don't classify myself as such even though census generally classifies my ethnicity as "white - other". The part of about "resembling" me and my circle is a bit out of line. Nor am I US based.

I'm not saying the US is any safer than India nor am I saying there is no poverty in the US or developed countries. Never mind the safety statistics, I would feel uncomfortable living the life of a "privileged" expat in a country where the visible majority of the population is struggling and where society is ruled by a "cast" principle.

I'm sure India is a great country and has a lot to offer culturally. As I said, I'd love to visit someday, but this is my personal perspective on the long-term prospect.
 
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FlipFlop0706

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Can see this thread hasn’t been used since 2022, but I’ll post anyway.

me and my partner are seriously thinking about Australia. We don’t feel like our children will have the opportunities / lifestyle we want for them in the UK. My partner is on the skilled list so we know we’d get in via him. But it just feels daunting. We’ve floated the idea to family, his side said they wouldn’t blame us if we went, which was surprising as he is an only child, so the only grandkids they have would be going too, where as my side told us not to.

I would feel incredibly guilty about taking the children from grandparents, friends etc. but it’s also an itch we can’t scratch, if we don’t try we’ll never know, if we decided then it wasn’t for us then we couldn’t say we hadn’t tried. We are very tempted to visit Aus first. And go from there. But we know the UK isn’t where we want to raise our children, but to take them from everything they know, I just don’t know.

ETA - we are both mid 20s. So have years before we’d be too old to get in.
It’s a huge decision so it’s bound to be a bit daunting. The way I see it is I’d rather give it a go and have no regrets. I’d hate to always think what if! In addition, I think people get scared out of emigrating being a permanent thing. It’s not! If you don’t like it then you can always come back!

If you have the money to go visit it first then I would just to get an idea of what areas you like, research it a bit.

As for feeling guilty, we live in an age where technology means we can be easily connected all the time. There’s FaceTime, Skype etc. I was talking to someone online and she said it was weird but her kids speak to her mum and dad more than when they lived here! She said they’d pay an in person visit once a week but now her kids call their grandparents every other day filling them in on their new lives down under! Yes it’s not in person but they still feel as close as ever to their grandparents.

Get on Instagram and get chatting on there- there’s such a helpful community on there of people who are thinking of doing it or have done it. Really useful to chat to people about areas/schools/lifestyle etc.
 
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greenvelvet

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Would it not be the same most other places though where you have to work long hours full time to afford a mortgage/rent/cost of living? (Genuine question) or have you worked out that you’d be able to work less and still have a decent standard of living?
I think in several countries it would be the same, for example New Zealand. The issue is more prevalent where there isn’t enough housing and substantial enough infrastructure (eg hospital/school capacity) for the population. Building more houses would help but the UK government is not supporting existing public sector infrastructure enough so I don’t see them building more. Where land/property is worth less and the salary is higher in real terms, than it tends not to be so much of a problem, for example in Australia. I’m the same as OP - I’d be open to Australia but don’t want to leave my parents behind. They’d be fine on their own but I would miss them.

Are there lots of jobs in India, @Just here to say? I’m thinking to go to Mauritius - never thought of India as a possibility
 
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I've lived in Dubai for past 2.5 years. I am hoping to return to the UK this year.
How come? You not enjoying it anymore? You’ll have for there just before the pandemic I’m guessing x

I felt like that before I went to Aus on holiday but once you’re there you are fine and sorta know where you’d find a spider e.g not leaving shoes outside but also not being so OTT that you check under your sheets etc before you go to bed.
So do the spiders not really come into the house then? Are certain parts of Australia more prone to certain spiders than others? X
 
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TheGlossy

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Dont know if this answer will interest you as it wasn’t my choice. But I’m from England and my parents decided to move to France when I was younger, and honestly best choice ever. They wanted to move to Australia originally but it was too far from our family.
moving country is great you learn so much. The only thing that bothers me is that I miss English food, like stupid things, I would kill for certain foods 😂
Your post is interesting because I left France as a teenager and I truly think that life in France is very difficult and stressful. Granted, France has better weather, more consumer goods, better food but the amount of bureaucracy, intolerance, judgment and overall lack of safety cancels out a lot of positives. I don't think it's any better than the UK.

Australia would be my ultimate dream personally, but it is far too remote and while my 20 year old self would be tempted, as a 32 year old woman I can't picture myself taking the plunge at this stage of my life (perhaps in my 50s for 6 months or so). Canada would be a great option, but I don't do well in the cold at all. I'd be miserable. Florida/California or Singapore would be two great options in my opinion, but it's rather difficult to emigrate there and I have to say, Florida is a bit sketchy. I would need some place where it's always warm (humidity or rain is not an issue as long as it's warm). I'm getting sick of the whole 345 days of cold / rain and 20 days of heat / sun per year. It's really starting to affect me.

I thought of Dubai, but Dubai's values don't agree with mine. The extreme display of wealth when some migrants are literally held hostage to basically work for free in some neighbourhoods is despicable. Not to mention, the extreme heat is not for me. I like heat, but not to that extent.

The thing is the problems you are trying to escape by moving to another country might translate into different problems in that other country. There's always a level of trade-off, it depends on how much you are willing to sacrifice.
 
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Snippysnips

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Similar story here- my grandad and nana were going to move over in the 1960’s but decided to stay in Yorkshire instead. Often wonder how life would have turned out for my family if they had moved over.

The work/life balance does seem better in Australia then it is over here. I feel we just work to pay the bills only to come home, sit in front of the telly and then wake up and do it all over again.

Going off topic but I’m sorry your mental health isn’t great at the moment. Hopefully you will find a company soon that are much more supportive where you feel valued.
Thank you, honestly am not sure if life would have been better or not had we went, it's always going to be a "what if" ill have an I think because I honestly loath this town so much I fool myself into truly believing that life would have been so much better in Australia even though I think they have a more expensive way of living over there, I think the pay is good but it needs to be in order to balance out the costs of things, my dad was the one essentially getting us in as his job was a skill an we also have family over there so we had our sponsors as well, but I don't know how life truly would have turned out, I was around 7 when they were going, maybe I'd have come back home or went to another country but who knows now
 
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Heyguysswipeup

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Yeah I felt that when I lived here in nz in the early 2000s it was very stuck behind in the times in many ways (technology, fashion, culturally).. things have definitely improved but the amount of middle aged white ppl who hate the use of Maori language is ridiculous.. but hopefully the younger generation will stamp this out.
admittedly I am a very outdoorsy person so this is a great country for me to live in and isnt the sort of place I’d get bored of living.. the things that make it hardliving here for me is being so far away from family and friends both in distance and in cost lol. Luckily WhatsApp helps as didnt Have this back in the 2000s. I feel like compared to the U.K. it’s a more relaxed atmosphere at work and that is something I struggled to adjust to, I was very used to dressing professionally then someone would turn up in a rugby hoodie 🙃🙃
 
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Be kond

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Can I ask how old are your kids? If you don’t want to say ages are they in school? We are considering moving to Portugal. We’ve a 3 and 2 year old and we think it might be best to move before they start school and at their ages it would be less of a big change. We don’t want to let them start school, make friends and then take them away
They are both under 5. We live in wales so child 1 has already started school. As they start age 3 here. Everyone says kids are resilient and adapt to everything but it’s still a massive decision, we are very seriously considering it
 
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sewcute

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Your post is interesting because I left France as a teenager and I truly think that life in France is very difficult and stressful. Granted, France has better weather, more consumer goods, better food but the amount of bureaucracy, intolerance, judgment and overall lack of safety cancels out a lot of positives. I don't think it's any better than UK
That is very true concerning intolerance and judgment. As I am now married to a French man I must admit that I tend not to tell people that I am English. Racism is such a problem here, I live in quite a remote part of France and you should see the way some people treat different colored/accents etc it is quite disgusting!
Yes there are unsafe places also but i really don’t tend to think about this, as I live so far away from problems.
Its nice to hear other people’s perspectives on the country, I know a lot of people that left France around 2008/2012 period, and lots of the (at the time) kids/teens had a hard time fitting in at school, did you have this kind of problem ? I was lucky to be the only English in my school at the time so they accepted me really well, it was not the case for people we knew that had multiple English in the same school, the French kids would reject them and they would stay among themselves and never fit in
 
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Littleelf

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That’s interesting your dad moved away, was there a reason he decided to go when he did?
He was offered a job he couldn't refuse, so he went and never looked back. To be honest it was quite a shock to the rest of the family as he just left and that was it.
 
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Snippysnips

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At the moment, it’s just a loose idea but as time goes on, I’ve realised if I ever want to make it a reality and seriously have the option of making the change then I need to research and organise the feasibility of actually going out there. Where do you even start?! So far, I’m guessing it’s by saving a hell of a lot of money!!!!
Our biggest start was getting our sponsors sorted, am not sure if its still a thing or not but for us it was giving us a huge help in getting over there, my dad's skill was also needed heavily at the time so that helped, have you researched into what places in Australia are low with your skill? It helps if your planning to go to a area that's low with it an then stay a year or two an look to other places to move if you aren't happy once you have the foot in the door, there's a higher chance of being accepted if they need you in a specific area compared to areas that's probably got loads in your line of work, after that it was mostly comparing cost of living vs wage and all the other details like if the area we wanted were going accept us into schools, doctors, dentists etc and then thinking about if we were going be able to cope with the summer heatwaves, risks of wildspread fires, droughts, not seeing family etc not that am putting you off or anything, but it's things you don't realise at the time, again many go over an it's the best thing they ever did so it can work out for the best
 
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Babyyoda88

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New Zealand is my absolute dream place to move to. I’d love to hear more about your experiences and the comparisons. Especially the price of living I’ve heard rent is so high.
Always dreamed of moving to New Zealand too. I’ve travelled around it when I was 18 and fell in love . Don’t think I’d have the balls to love so far away from my family but I would love to know how the monthly outgoings compare to UK outgoings.
 
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Onecandream

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I’ve written off buying a house with the way things are at the moment. My brother feels the same way. It’s completely unobtainable for us and any houses we would be able to afford are nothing more than overpriced new build boxes in shitty areas. Not to mention all the associated bills that come with being a home owner at the present time. All of my friends who own houses relied on family support/inheritance and are now doing the 2.4 children thing and struggling to pay the bills.

I refuse to spend the best years of my life scrimping and saving to them go on to be tied to a mortgage. I find it hilarious that we spend most of our time at work here in the U.K. leaving for work at 7 and not getting in until 7pm, I’m that knackered that more often than not I’m in bed by 9pm so I would effectively just be paying a mortgage just to sleep in my house.

It’s one of the reasons I have for emigrating. I’m not fixed to anything in the U.K. and have the freedom to go wherever. The only thing that is currently holding me back however is leaving my mum on her own. She would love to join me in a new life in Australia but she’s in her sixties and as I understand it, I don’t think she would be entitled to a visa/residency.
Would it not be the same most other places though where you have to work long hours full time to afford a mortgage/rent/cost of living? (Genuine question) or have you worked out that you’d be able to work less and still have a decent standard of living?
 
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FlipFlop0706

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Would it not be the same most other places though where you have to work long hours full time to afford a mortgage/rent/cost of living? (Genuine question) or have you worked out that you’d be able to work less and still have a decent standard of living?
My job is currently in demand over there and depending what state i would move to, I would be paid more than I am here at the moment working much less hours! As many have said, the cost of living is higher but financially it still is viable for me.
Just need to find a way to bring my mum over and I’d have gone yesterday! 😂
 
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FlipFlop0706

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Everyone is so different aren’t they. I do think people think that moving to NZ or Aus in particular is going to solve all their problems / boredom / being fed up with the weather / not knowing what to do with their life. It doesn’t, if anything it creates more complications particularly if you’re close with your family and have kids there. But that definitely doesn’t mean it isn’t a good thing to do or you shouldn’t give it a go! If nothing else you’ll find out that the U.K. either is or isn’t as bad as you’d thought.
I think it’s the dream of abandoning everything and starting afresh to is a major draw when considering emigrating. I think lockdown has made everyone reevaluate what they are doing with their lives and consider what needs changing.

As you say though, the grass isn’t always greener!
 
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Heyguysswipeup

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Loving this thread. I’d love to emigrate…one of the things that puts me off is the spiders in Australia. Does that make me sound stupid?! Probably.

I’d love to move abroad for sure. I feel like I’m UK it’s merely a case of existing. Like not much hope either!
I felt like that before I went to Aus on holiday but once you’re there you are fine and sorta know where you’d find a spider e.g not leaving shoes outside but also not being so OTT that you check under your sheets etc before you go to bed.
 
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greenvelvet

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It's tax free and sounds incredible (& that sounds like an incredible wage for a teacher here to be honest ..) but the cost of living is VERY expensive. Apartments, fresh food, things like decent washing powder are so expensive. Most people who flaunt it here are getting alot of freebies due to their work (ahemmm) or racked up on credit.
shes got like 14 years of experience and has been in Dubai for 10 years tbf and has some further qualifications, but yeah it’s dizzying. I heard a pint is like £11. How much is e.g. a mango (trying to think of something they might be able to grow there)?
 
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