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KellyP81

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Just joined here. I've just commented on Jessica's suicide post on FB and was promptly blocked after a very passive aggressive comment about how I'm clearly not well trained enough (I'm a counsellor, though not currently practicing) to understand alternative models. I'm a trauma informed counsellor! I've also been a mental health support worker at a crisis drop in at MIND and at substance misuse services, talking people down from drug psychosis induced suicidality. I may not have a PhD but I know how not to talk to someone who is suicidal. My partner manages a residential service and my best friend is an ACTUAL clinical psychologist who is very big on alternative approaches and, in her more qualified opinion, thinks Jessica is a dangerous charlatan. Jess would know a lot of this about me as well as we have a mutual friend. She will insinuate anyone who disagrees with her is completely without knowledge. Having worked with so many vulnerable ppl and been one myself - I'm also a trafficking survivor - I find her whole shtick really concerning. I've known people who have attempted suicide after listening to ppl who spout similar nonsense to hers. It's not a game. Also, I've witnessed her tell a street sex worker on social media she was 'putting herself in a position to be harmed.' So much for not victim blaming. Sorry for ranting but I thought I'd add my two cents. I stopped taking any notice of her a while ago, but someone sent me her suicide post earlier and I'm horrified. I've been suicidal. She is dangerous and frankly seems quite unhinged.
Also this is my real name. I'm quite happy for Jess to know exactly what I think of her (I appreciate many are in a position where she could harm them) and quite happy to engage her in conversation about any of the above.
I felt quite sorry for her when all the allegations originally came out. I've experienced trolling and false allegations (all of which unlike Jess I had evidence to clearly refute) so I've been reluctant to jump on threads about her. But she has gone too far. And watching the ongoing saga of what she has actually done to Sally Ann is heartbreaking. If she was an actual therapist or clinician she would be struck off for this.
 
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ZiggyStardust68

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I'm newly registered on here so can finally post rather than just read the posts! I've actually been blocked by JT on Facebook, my crime? I 'liked' maybe two posts from people telling her she was wrong for what she has done to Sally Anne and other vulnerable women. I have never posted anything to her, and never posted anything much anywhere, so she literally must go through blocking everybody that dares to even like a criticism, and doesn't fall at her feet. She is dangerous, pure and simple. She is arrogant, narcissistic, controlling---in fact everything she describes an abuser to be. The most sickening comment I saw her make was that the women who 'thought' they recognised their stories were simply being narcissists, imagining every story is theirs! Yet in the next breath admits their stories WERE in her books. The problem is her 'works' are published via a non-academic publisher--because they are not academic works in the slightest. Everything else she self publishes. There is no accountability or ethical standards to adhere to. HOWEVER, some of her material appeared to be gathered through her research for her PhD, which does have to abide by stringent ethical standards. I notice the BPS actually follow her on twitter, so I am hopeful that they are investigating this as we speak. Nobody can stop her self publishing or stop her publishing her 'pop' psychology via fiction publishers, but the BPS can remove her chartered status, as they should as she is bringing the profession into disrepute. Of course they will have to have a cast iron case before they attempt to do this, as she will cry 'misogyny' and 'classism' and mobilise her deluded supporters. She appears to me like a cult leader, and the stories of how she runs her business add weight to that way of thinking. It's really now all making sense, the fact that she had to take legal action against her university for her to gain her qualification; maybe they went about it the wrong way, but I would say they have been truly vindicated, she actually has brought the profession into disrepute. While she has--or had, before her ego grew out of control, some interesting things to say, they are really not groundbreaking. She latches on to topics that have been studied for decades and manages to convince her fans that she is the world's leading expert on them. This latest systematic review concerning SSRIs written by Professor Joanna Moncrieff and Dr Mark Horowitz is a classic example. The authors are psychiatrists who have been writing about this for decades, yet JT writes about it on social media as if she invented the idea, and all her 'fans' believe her! And the second anybody posts anything to the contrary she blocks them. Hardly conducive to debate. It would be comical if she wasn't so dangerous...
 
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DisgruntledGoat

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Cmon Sally Ann doesn’t even understand basic law. She gave her consent for her story to be out there. Once you do that it’s anybodies. Then she outed herself on Twitter… but sure she’s been exploited by Jess. Quite clearly there an agenda
Tell me you’ve never completed an ethics application without telling me you’ve never completed an ethics application.

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How odd that both yourself and Jaimi’s mum write “cmon” without the apostrophe 🤔

Hey Mandy, given that you’re so close to your wonderful Daughter In Law, maybe you can ask her to see the permission form from Sally Anne? The one she should have had signed which explicitly allowed her to use the story, and withdraw her permission at any time.
 
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AnAntCan't

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I suspect part of her does care, because of her love of status - people who are that egotistical can't bear the thought that anyone sees through them, and she'd love the prestige of actually being on the faculty somewhere. We saw that with the way she (misre)presented her role at Derby. As she doesn't have much academic clout, she compensates by telling the fans that those academics are just out-of-touch ivory tower elitists who are trying to suppress her because she's a working class warrior fighting for women and girls and we're just frightened of her amazing originality and radical approach.
Absolutely. I couldn't agree more with this.
And, it has to be said, that she has used those part-time lecturing hours pretty effectively as credibility currency with both her social media followers (and, I suspect, also with the agencies and organisations commissioning her).
She is genuinely skilful at self-promotion - it's clear many on this thread bought into it/her at some point, if only for a little while because of how well she promotes herself and her brand. And, you know what, if she was using those skills to promote a new album, gain traction for an Etsy jewellery shop or trying to secure a place on Love Island her penchant for half-truths would, at worst, be irritating. But she's not trying to promote a crappy album, she's presenting herself as a voice for the voiceless, an advocate for the powerless and a champion for the abused and vulnerable. And that's why (Jess if you're reading this...I know you are) it's not irritating it's dangerous and it's cruel. It's why the people who have shared their concerns on this thread are not jealous of you, as you would have others believe, they just recognise a perp when they see one.
We see you for exactly what you are, Jess. You are exploitative. Your career, your business, your products, and your persona are, in their entirety, the proceeds of exploitation. You have made a business of victimhood and you use it to victimise anyone who is anything less than adoring of you, or of no material use to you. We have watched as you have scrambled to protect your exploitative income stream/ego-feeding machine by way of relentless attacks on those with less power, silencing anyone who challenges your behaviour. It's despicable.
You are everything you tell your social media followers that perpetrators are. Thanks, Jess. We see you.
What you have done to Sally-Ann is appalling. I know those who know you well, and those who don't, aren't holding out any hope that you will acknowledge the harm you have caused/continue to cause. But they will continue to speak, to share accounts of your exploitative behaviour and shoddy practice, and wherever possible will challenge what little credibility you have left - from within. Within academia, stat, non-stat, media and third sector (I hear it every day).
You may have removed yourself from Twitter to quieten the noise and control the narrative but it demonstrates your naivety. This isn't going to go away. There are far too many people working in this field who see you and who do this work for all the right reasons. Many of whom have far more power than you. It's really not the voices you can hear that you need to worry about Jess.
 
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AnAntCan't

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Her recent post about suicide is spectacularly irresponsible and ill-informed. And, whilst in many ways, she has become a laughable caricature of the person she made such efforts to become, she continues to show absolute disregard for the vulnerable people whose attention she courts, and whose trust she abuses.

Jessica knows full well that the carefully choreographed and ambiguous wording she uses to describe her ‘frontline’ experience is designed to have her followers understand her to be working therapeutically with people, at the very least. Testament to this is the nature of the advice that people seek from her in public forums – I shudder to think what people share with her in private communications. It is shockingly unethical, callous and insulting.

Here are just a few of the comments I picked out following a quick scan of the responses to (the suicide) post – I’m sure there are more. Jessica writes that she has…

worked for years on the frontline in mental health services’

‘worked frontline for years before going into academia’

‘ran a mental health centre for 5 years’

‘worked in frontline sexual violence and domestic abuse for 7 years’

‘had a Psychology degree and Ad Dip CBT’
adding that ‘The vast majority of people working in third sector support services do not have formal qualifications like I did’

Indeed, it seems Jessica was not just qualified to work ‘frontline’, we are to understand that she was - relative to her third-sector contemporaries - overqualified. All those qualifications and frontline experience and yet she is seemingly unaware that The Samaritans helpline isn’t staffed by ‘trained crisis counsellors’… She really is extraordinarily comfortable with churning out (potentially dangerous) misinformation. Her refusal to correct herself, even when her errors are politely pointed out to her by well-intentioned followers, screams of a breathtakingly fragile ego and an exceptionally thin veneer masking her obvious ineptitude.

Case in point – Jessica’s response to people asking her to share exactly what form her ‘frontline’ work has taken. Enquirers are accused of ‘getting personal’ because they ‘lack a strong enough counter-argument’ to her ‘points’. Jessica comments to one of her supporters that ‘It’s the same old shit. People claiming I’ve never worked frontline and mocking my qualifications. Boring and unoriginal. And, has zero impact on my actual work. Just speaks volumes about them, says absolutely nothing about me’ … The enquirers reveal nothing of themselves other than their concern for others and that they wish to assert their right to scrutinise, you, the speaker, before blindly accepting your position. Rather, it is your response to them, Jessica, that reveals a great deal about you. It reveals exactly who you are and what you are so clumsily trying to hide.

It’s all foot stompingly juvenile but, as has been said here many times before, people have been, and sadly people continue to be harmed by her and her organisation (I’m mindful to include those who did, and who still do work for her, having heard of the hardship one ex-staff member had to endure when she challenged Jessica). The Victim Focus WhatsApp group messages about Sally-Ann were vile, and I’m so sorry that Sally-Ann had to see that. Sally-Ann has conducted herself with such dignity, courage and authenticity – she is the antithesis of Jessica. She has been incredibly brave to speak out and not be silenced by Jessica and her (ever-diminishing) minions.

I hope it helps to know that the tide is turning. I have a foot in two of the ‘sectors’ Jessica and her business model depend on for revenue. I can tell you with absolute confidence that Jessica has little to no status or tangible presence within the sectors I commonly work with, despite her frequent assertions to the contrary. She, unsurprisingly, presents a thoroughly dishonest account of her standing within said sectors – to the amusement and incredulity of those aware of her grandiose and inaccurate claims. That said, I am always poised, should her name crop up, to encourage due diligence and challenge any notion that Jessica is in any way a credible researcher/training provider. But increasingly, it seems I would be preaching to the converted. Choosing my words very carefully here… (note to self to channel Jessica’s evasive and non-committal wording) I attended a meeting of, let’s call them, a commissioning group of sorts (of the kind that would make Jessica salivate) and staff from high-profile organisations (you know, the kind staffed by people less qualified than Jessica). Jessica, will I’m sure, be thrilled to know that her name did come up (albeit informally) as my colleagues collectively commiserated with, let’s call them a ‘subsidiary group’, who had been hoodwinked into commissioning a piece of work from VF and who have now been advised to keep the output very low profile (i.e., bury it). Senior colleagues had, among other things, been made aware of the mock-up photo of Jessica fighting with Rachel Williams. It was NOT well received.

Similarly, I recently heard about a project being reallocated because it had been noted that members of the team were associated with Jessica. It seems that in my world, having any association with Jessica Taylor is fast becoming a poison chalice.

Like many of you, I had such high hopes for Jessica. There is a sense that many people were genuinely rooting for her and celebrating her successes. Her initial message was absolutely worth championing. She was supported, her voice was elevated, and she was championed by many (often older) feminists who she now accuses of being jealous, uneducated, and lacking the cognitive capacity to make sense of her revolutionary thinking. Apparently, they’re just not ready for her. But Jessica and team Jessica, c’mon (!), do you really believe that leading feminist voices such as Julie Bindel (who cited you and your business in one of her publications as recently as 2021) is jealous of you??!!!

I would have said even six months ago that there was space to climb down from this nonsense, to get a grip of what goodwill remained and invest in a little of that self-reflection you so readily accuse others of not being capable of (a reflective journal might be a useful tool to keep you on track ;-)). But we all know, of course, that it would take a great deal more than that to stop the rot at this point.

Academia could not be more disinterested in Jessica Taylor, and the various services that engage with the VAWG sector are either getting wise to her business model or have never heard of her.

She will continue to channel her efforts into producing poorly written pop psychology books and TV work. That is the space she is knowingly carving out for herself. It’s just a shame she can’t find a way to do that in a way that also prioritises others’ safety.

I am reminded of a conversation I had many years ago with someone who had been approached by Endemol to be their resident psychologist on Big Brother. Their response ‘dear god no, of course, I turned it down. I haven’t worked like a dog for twenty-five years to do something as career-ending as becoming a TV psychologist. I got into this because I wanted to create change not impress my old mates from secondary school’.

But we must trust Jessica’s judgement on this. She is, after all, a highly evolved human. One of the great thinkers of our time.

Jokes aside, I hope to goodness that this most recent post of Jessica’s does not result in someone harming themselves, and or, discouraging anyone from help-seeking. Likewise, to those who have lost people close to them to suicide, I hope the accusatory nature of some sections of her post was read through a lens of disregard for this woman’s opinion.

Know that Jessica neither believes thinks nor feels what she writes. She writes for perceived kudos, social media traction and revenue security, not to express genuine conviction.

Sally-Ann, if you check in here, I hope you’re holding up ok. You have many people fighting your corner. You may not see us, but we are here.
 
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Stella.alletS

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I once made a passing comment on Facebook about how her constant pics feeling Jaimi up seemed weird and she found me on twitter and send me loads of messages saying things like "if you want to step to me" and "say it to my face" 🤣 I totally ignored her and thought she was a weirdo.
 
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judgejohndeed

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‘Filming the reaction’ when telling women they hit the diagnostic criteria for multiple psychological conditions? Someone send this dickhead on a research ethics course, I’m begging
 
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Gingerfattie

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Anything that Dr Jess says about mental health treatments including medication should be taken with a pinch of salt. She has never delivered services or interventions and quite frankly talks mostly nonsense. Medication, mood stabilisers, antipsychotics, antidepressants, what ever your views, can often be an essential part of many a treatment plan and for some people to suddenly stop taking them can be catastrophic. Indeed they can have side effects and risks that require careful management but they can improve functioning to the extent that a person can start living again, engaging in therapy, going to work, talking to family etc. Again there’s so many theories as to why certain medications work, why people get depressed, get psychosis etc but as other professionals on the thread have said we all generally adhere to a biopsychsocial model or stress vulnerability model as to why a person develops mental illness. And many NHS Trusts (definitely mine anyway) train staff in a trauma informed approach to care. There’s a lot wrong with mental health services also, don’t get me wrong, but Jess is not qualified to comment on this or treatments. She is a total fantasist portraying herself as the proponent of these fantastic new ideas and theories that healthcare services and other professionals never thought of because all we want to do is oppress people unlike the wonderful Jess, the saviour of the vulnerable. It worries me that so many people could actually think she knows what she’s talking about and trust her, and it could really hurt them.
 
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At my time with Victim Focus I was always forced to put Dr Jessica Taylor's name on everything I produced, even if I put Jessica Taylor I was picked up to include 'Dr' . she uses this to over power people
The HR is a sham and inexperienced, the whole company will fold
I know Sally Ann is now in possession of multiple screenshots of some chats about her from Victim Focus work chat
proof staff taken in by Jess's spell talking about finding Sally Anns address to send her glitter and poo. They planned to anon ambush an event Sally Ann was speaking at online recently and joked about being undercover, referring Sally Ann to a 'turd' Jess and Jaimie sat back and joked with them, it made me sick to my stomach. Ive seen private chats of Jess questioning Sally Anns account of abuse and accusing her of making up her story to be 'famous'
I think she thinks SA is some mastermind devising a campaign against Jess, thats shadowing the real evidence SA has been posting
There was super emposed images shared of Rachael Williams and Jess fighting and talks of murder and knives being sharpened
it was extremely toxic and imoral

these are people building a company based on supporting victims
Jess told us Sally Ann was due to be arrested back in May & charged, no proof ever came of this. She spun us the lie SA was a stalker and Jess couldnt believe how stupid she had been to not see it. Theres no proof of any of this. many staff believed what she says. she was fretting SA was going to kill herself over it and she would look bad or get the blame.

I hope Sally Ann get the justice she deserves and reports these. I cant imagine how hurt she and Rachael must feel
 
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I’m slowly catching up with all the comments left on here the last few days. I went a bit MIA because JT’s post about suicide triggered me - partially because one of my best friends committed suicide just over 3 years ago due to his mental health. I felt like I was going to explode with anger so had to take a step back.

Its nice (in a way!) to be able to be here catching up though. Have been reading through that new Twitter account and their tweets too…

Hope everyone is doing okay x
 
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AccidentalAcademic

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In fact, I’d love for her to come spend a day with us at work and see just how real some of the things she claims are made up concepts are. That will give her some actual front line experience.
If she did shadow you for a day it would appear on her CV as "Training ITU staff and setting up the world's first trauma-informed ITU".
 
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FogOfWar

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a movie where she's a plucky young psychologist armed with nothing but a "battery of tests" to combat the evil DSM?
<movie voice>In a world dominated by the DSM, one plucky young psychologist is brave enough to go against the establishment to get to the truth. Based on a true-if-you-want-it-to-be story of how one woman single-handedly took down the corrupt world of modern psychology, coming this fall..."On The Fringe"... starring Melissa McCarthy as Dr Jessica Taylor</movie voice>

God I need to find a better way to occupy my time.
 
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witchinghour

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I don't really mean narcissist as in npd or as a personality disorder, I meant like just the old fashioned idea of narcissists, not a clinical take.
Yeah, I mean it as in NPD. Look up descriptions of NPD, she fits it perfectly. Wikipedia lists the diagnostic criteria from the DSM as below. Jess easily ticks more than 5 boxes on this list.

Of course, she'd point you to her criticism of diagnosis of personality disorders. But the thing is, we do need language to describe people who act in this way and for whom it goes so deep that it's part of their core being.

Jess is a narc and she's abusive. But she's putting herself on a platform that brings her into contact with vulnerable people who trust her if they're taken in by her public persona (as many of us have been). And that's dangerous.

"The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5) describes NPD as possessing at least five of the following nine criteria.
  • A grandiose sense of self-importance
  • Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
  • Believing that they are "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
  • Requiring excessive admiration
  • A sense of entitlement (unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with their expectations)
  • Being interpersonally exploitative (taking advantage of others to achieve their own ends)
  • Lacking empathy (unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others)
  • Often being envious of others or believing that others are envious of them
  • Showing arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
Within the DSM-5, NPD is a cluster B personality disorder. Individuals with cluster B personality disorders often appear dramatic, emotional, or erratic. Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder characterized by a life-long pattern of exaggerated feelings of self-importance, an excessive craving for admiration, and a diminished ability to empathize with others' feelings.

Narcissistic personality disorder usually develops either in youth or in early adulthood. True symptoms of NPD are pervasive, apparent in varied social situations, and are rigidly consistent over time. Severe symptoms of NPD can significantly impair the person's mental capabilities to develop meaningful human relationships, such as friendship, kinship, and marriage. Generally, the symptoms of NPD also impair the person's psychological abilities to function socially, either at work or at school, or within important societal settings. The DSM-5 indicates that, in order to qualify as symptomatic of NPD, the person's manifested personality traits must substantially differ from social norms."

Just seen this from Sally Ann on Twitter. Good for her. I've got a huge amount of respect for her. It's not easy to stand up to a narc, it takes courage. Fuck knows what Jess is playing at. Maybe she thinks she's above the law.

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Gossgossgoss9888

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Hi 👋 new to this thread.

I started following Jess maybe a couple of years ago. I admired the way she was making a name for herself as a working class woman in academia and I thought some of what she said, her tiktoks about victim blaming etc. were interesting and accessible.

I also felt a connection to some of her anti-psychiatry rhetoric because I have a diagnosed mental illness that I choose to manage without medication. (I feel I should be clear, this is my decision about my health, on the basis of medication effectiveness vs side effects, and while I've often doubted my own diagnosis I'm not someone who believes that mental illnesses don't exist, or that medication is never the answer for anyone.)

She posted her suicide post on LinkedIn, and that's where I saw it, and it shocked me.

The times in my life when I've been most suicidal and most in danger of doing myself serious harm are the times when I've had the least insight, when I've genuinely believed that I was well and rational and the urge to die was a logical consequence of the way life made me feel, and that anyone else's concern or wish for me not to commit suicide came from their selfishness or sentimentality.

Insight saved my life. The acknowledgement that feeling a certain way wouldn't last forever, that moods are like weather and I just need to find ways to manage them... that's what helped me move past some really serious crises.

I understand, and to some extent agree with, the argument that trauma is a cause of or contributing factor for many mental illnesses, and that understanding and working through that trauma can be vital to managing and maybe even recovering from a mental illness. I also fully appreciate that some diagnoses come with serious stigma and that stigma is often hugely damaging in very real ways.

But Jess seems to be arguing that the illnesses themselves don't exist, and that all there is is trauma and its logical consequences.

It feels like saying, "don't be ridiculous, you haven't broken your leg - no need for cast, or surgery, or painkillers - you can't walk because that car ran you over. We can fix your problems by talking about the experience of being run over, and prosecuting the driver, and campaigning for safer road policies". All those things may well be helpful and worthwhile things to do, but they're not going to mend that leg.
 
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SagaNoren

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Wow, I can't believe we’re on thread 2! Not long ago I thought it was just me. I never would have expected a whole Tattle thread of people saying what I had been thinking for ages 😮
 
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butterjamcream

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I met another woman who was included in the book. She hasn’t spoken publicly about this. In fact I’m unsure who else even knows.

She confided in me as she knows I work at VF. I was absolutely shocked. She is a woman with considerable means and incredibly ethical. I do not doubt for a second what she has told me. I now won’t re read Jessica’s books in case I recognise her. This would feel like a huge violation of her privacy.

It speaks volumes that even a woman in such a relatively strong position feels she can not even engage with what has been done to her. It is too retraumatising. Something that she couldn’t do without the support of her partner, who she has never told.

No wonder Jessica thought she had hit a home run. If nothing else she knows she can bet on women’s silence.

Everyday I think about the strength of Sally Ann. The way she has spoken truth to power. The way she has stood her ground. That despite the personal cost and enduring targeted abuse. She really is inspiring.
 
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FogOfWar

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Why haven’t psychiatrists thought about simply talking it out with schizophrenics before ?
 
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