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There is no such medical specialty as ‘nutritional and environmental medicine.’
What a gob. Honestly, he’s crafted a web of trickery and lies by omission.
What a gob. Honestly, he’s crafted a web of trickery and lies by omission.
I still want to know what Internal Medicine is
Unless ive missed a memo most things that break medically, are in fact, internal
Found something else from 11 years ago on the National Autistic Society message boards which is quite sad. I hope they followed recs from the comments and sought a second opinion.
What about dermatology!I still want to know what Internal Medicine is
Unless ive missed a memo most things that break medically, are in fact, internal
Acute internal medicine and general internal medicine are distinct specialty, as per the GMC’s list.
That was the only thing I could think of that doesnt involve rummaging around inside peopleWhat about dermatology!
Acute internal medicine and general internal medicine are distinct specialty, as per the GMC’s list.
Edit: Ive just read the description of the job on the NHS website.
Lot of dabbling around in fluids (see also: Jacks cooking) and was shocked by the starting salary
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The starting salary is tit. It could be your very first day on the ward, and the rota means you’re the one holding the crash bleep. So much risk, so much stress.That was the only thing I could think of that doesnt involve rummaging around inside people
Edit: Ive just read the description of the job on the NHS website.
Lot of dabbling around in fluids (see also: Jacks cooking) and was shocked by the starting salary
I am genuinely shocked at that starting salary! Going to show that to our trainees when they whine about the starting pay straight from the school here!
Thank you @VeniVidiVicki and @lilykestrel for digging all of that up and laying everything out so clearly! And VVV for sharing your experience - it must be such a minefield to navigate as a parent.
He's also taken on 'anti-ageing' LOL. I wonder who the target demographic for all this goop rit is, eh doc?
ETA stolen from the hellsite so the highlight isn't mine but also lol
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omg. 'Pro-vaccine' are ya aye???? 'Damaged children'. Horrific.
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This is just one part of a thread on the hellsite where I also found the above screenshots from Breakspear. I tried to archive but it wouldn't let me
please could somebody else try? The link in the tweet now goes to a 2018 seminar with no mention of Goyal
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alright I need to stop now before I lose another day to this absolute bleeping weapon
He's also taken on 'anti-ageing' LOL. I wonder who the target demographic for all this goop rit is, eh doc?
ETA stolen from the hellsite so the highlight isn't mine but also lol
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omg. 'Pro-vaccine' are ya aye???? 'Damaged children'. Horrific.
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This is just one part of a thread on the hellsite where I also found the above screenshots from Breakspear. I tried to archive but it wouldn't let me
please could somebody else try? The link in the tweet now goes to a 2018 seminar with no mention of Goyal---
alright I need to stop now before I lose another day to this absolute bleeping weapon
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Oooh I've just been delving through the Breakspear Medical Bulletin. Now I've been academia adjacent but am nowhere near medic Frau or medical adjacent but I'm a little befuddled whether this sort of flip-flopping in specialities is normal.
Here he is being introduced in the summer 2009 edition. He's been involved in international health issues and his academic interest is in the physical causes of mental illness.
In winter 2009, he was one of the few people trained in the 'Sherwood' technique for non-specific back pain - which wouldn't you know, Breakspear Hospital are one of the few to offer since Dr Sherwood retired. Which is weird, no? Given tropical medicine and physical causes of mental health and his subsequent segue into autism? (See below)
Here in Spring 2010, he's a member of Breakspear's ASD team.
And finally, as a little treat, in summer 2010 - I love me a doctor who puts together household packs of eco toiletries and cleaning products for me for the low low price of £35.25 (£52.88 for non-members) (I think VAT was still at 17.5% then)
I wasn't vaccinated for measles when I was a child (I was covered in eczema and they weren't sure what I was allergic to and so the GP said he wasn't going to vaccinate me in case the egg protein the vaccines were grown on triggered a severe reaction).
When I was five, I caught measles. The girl I caught measles off died, and I was very seriously ill. As my mother listened to me screaming in terror that everything was dark and I couldn't see, she bleeping wished she'd taken the chances with the vaccine. Vaccine-damaged children, aye? What about infection-damaged children? What about those children who never came back to school after catching "harmless" childhood diseases, because they'd been blinded, or deafened, or brain damaged, or they'd died? Or the babies born with congenital rubella syndrome, because mum came into contact with an unvaccinated and infected child? Or the children who, as adults, find that they are dealing with the sequelae of "harmless" childhood infections?
bleeping antivax nutters absolutely rip my knitting.
As you can probably imagine the MMR tit also gives me the absolute rage. That’s so scary @Witchfinder Sargeant. I was at school with a girl whose mum had rubella when she was pregnant and one whole side of her face was malformed and her eye hadn’t grown.
Total charlatan. Incidentally, 96% of identical twins both have autism if it’s present. The degree of impact varies but it’s rare that both don’t have it.
That thing about the poor 2 year old has horrified me
Total charlatan. Incidentally, 96% of identical twins both have autism if it’s present. The degree of impact varies but it’s rare that both don’t have it.
That thing about the poor 2 year old has horrified me
Here's the autism article referenced at the end of that MMR jab article Chizontiz posted above in the Winter/Spring 2011 edition.
All the Breakspear Medical Bulletins are available on their website.
I guess he might have moved on soon after this to start Sincere Health in 2012.
He mentions mercury - that's what 'chelation treatment' aims to resolve. There's no clinical proof that that 'works' (for autism).
All the Breakspear Medical Bulletins are available on their website.
I guess he might have moved on soon after this to start Sincere Health in 2012.
He mentions mercury - that's what 'chelation treatment' aims to resolve. There's no clinical proof that that 'works' (for autism).
I absolutely love it when Tattle goes on a deep dive. Woe betide the person with a questionable and traceable online history who underestimates the power of the Canal! They think we are a bunch of airhead ninnies when we are far from it
Further to my above mention of 'chelation therapy', in 2012 Breakspear Medical got done by the Advertising Standards Authority
TLDR:
Ad description
The website for a private medical clinic, viewed in October 2011, stated on its "Treatments - Chelation Therapy" page "Broadly, chelation therapy can be used to help with …" and in a list of health conditions included "... cerebrovascular disease ... chronic fatigue syndrome, autistic spectrum disorders ... preventative medicine and anti-ageing".
Action
The claim must not appear again in its current form. We asked Breakspear not to imply chelation therapy could help treat the listed conditions.
And, in 2012 the founder of Breakspear, Jean Munro, was given a formal warning by the GMC for giving chelation therapy.
Weird old rabbit hole I'm falling down.
TLDR:
Ad description
The website for a private medical clinic, viewed in October 2011, stated on its "Treatments - Chelation Therapy" page "Broadly, chelation therapy can be used to help with …" and in a list of health conditions included "... cerebrovascular disease ... chronic fatigue syndrome, autistic spectrum disorders ... preventative medicine and anti-ageing".
Action
The claim must not appear again in its current form. We asked Breakspear not to imply chelation therapy could help treat the listed conditions.
And, in 2012 the founder of Breakspear, Jean Munro, was given a formal warning by the GMC for giving chelation therapy.
Weird old rabbit hole I'm falling down.
Just popping in from the Monroe thread to say that this grifter is giving me strong Dr Spaceman from 30 Rock vibes (pronounced Dr Spa-chee-min).
I'm actually bleeping fuming that this bloke has managed to shove some of this stuff somewhat under the rug and rehabilitate his image in the pandemic.
Pro-neurodiversity are you, pal? PRO-NEURODIVERSITY ARE YOU?
Here's the schedule from the 2015 Autism Solutions conference on Wayback.
If someone is pro-neurodiversity, why were they speaking at a conference put on by a man who in 2018 would claim that 'many patients have become neurotypical under his care', and presumably held the same opinion three years earlier, seeing as he's been 'treating' since 1986.
One of the fundamentals of 'neurodiversity' as a perspective is that autism does not need to be cured (indeed perhaps it cannot be) and that efforts spent on 'curing' and researching 'cures' would be better directed to making the world a better and more accommodating place for autistic people, and improving support and infrastructure for parents and caregivers etc. General social model of disability stuff.
If, in the decade since one was farting about putting autistic children on restrictive diets and giving them vitamins, and charging their parents through the nose for it, one realised that one's entire approach was flawed - why would you not apologise, rather than blocking people asking about it?
Pro-neurodiversity are you, pal? PRO-NEURODIVERSITY ARE YOU?
Here's the schedule from the 2015 Autism Solutions conference on Wayback.
If someone is pro-neurodiversity, why were they speaking at a conference put on by a man who in 2018 would claim that 'many patients have become neurotypical under his care', and presumably held the same opinion three years earlier, seeing as he's been 'treating' since 1986.
One of the fundamentals of 'neurodiversity' as a perspective is that autism does not need to be cured (indeed perhaps it cannot be) and that efforts spent on 'curing' and researching 'cures' would be better directed to making the world a better and more accommodating place for autistic people, and improving support and infrastructure for parents and caregivers etc. General social model of disability stuff.
If, in the decade since one was farting about putting autistic children on restrictive diets and giving them vitamins, and charging their parents through the nose for it, one realised that one's entire approach was flawed - why would you not apologise, rather than blocking people asking about it?
And the "rehabilitation" is gathering a load of followers with pandemic bull. Grift, pure and simple.
Me again
I was mithering to myself about how one can say that one is pro-vaccine whilst appearing in a publication next to MMR wittering.
Well, turns out Breakspear aren't strictly anti-vaccine either. They immunise. Their issue is with the combined MMR jab, cos Wakefield I guess, so they offer single measles and rubella jabs to kiddos (which they import over from India, because UK pharmaceuticals aren't licensed to produce the singles).
Added bonus to that? You can charge £115 a pop for each jab. And then you recommend kids get the MMR when they're older, for the mumps immunity. Just better hope your kid doesn't get mumps before then, I suppose.
Oh also the founder of the Breakspear, the one who got told off by the GMC, decided to give up her GMC licence a couple years ago and is now an "environmental naturopath".
I was mithering to myself about how one can say that one is pro-vaccine whilst appearing in a publication next to MMR wittering.
Well, turns out Breakspear aren't strictly anti-vaccine either. They immunise. Their issue is with the combined MMR jab, cos Wakefield I guess, so they offer single measles and rubella jabs to kiddos (which they import over from India, because UK pharmaceuticals aren't licensed to produce the singles).
Added bonus to that? You can charge £115 a pop for each jab. And then you recommend kids get the MMR when they're older, for the mumps immunity. Just better hope your kid doesn't get mumps before then, I suppose.
Oh also the founder of the Breakspear, the one who got told off by the GMC, decided to give up her GMC licence a couple years ago and is now an "environmental naturopath".
Yikes. There’s no way this guy should be practicing medicine in the UK (or anywhere else either) if he’s going around claiming the MMR vaccine causes autism.Thank you @VeniVidiVicki and @lilykestrel for digging all of that up and laying everything out so clearly! And VVV for sharing your experience - it must be such a minefield to navigate as a parent.
He's also taken on 'anti-ageing' LOL. I wonder who the target demographic for all this goop rit is, eh doc?
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omg. 'Pro-vaccine' are ya aye???? 'Damaged children'. Horrific.
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alright I need to stop now before I lose another day to this absolute bleeping weapon
If this is the sort of nonsense he was coming out with a few years ago, but has since stopped, I suspect he probably ended up receiving the equivalent of a cease and desist letter from the GMC and decided it wasn’t worth destroying his career over.