Dr Daniel Goyal

[Gnomic Gnome]

Agreed. He removed it quickly from his Twitter bio when he caught some heat on here. He was discussed and evidenced that he's a nut job but I got burned at the stake.

I think he deserves his own thread but have no clue with where it would go or how to do it

Wow! Did he post that he was a consultant? The GMC would love to know about that. He’s implying credentials/expertise that he simply doesn’t have.

I found the whole spiel about Jack ‘deserving’ money really bizarre. But what do you expect from a Wakefield fan (the person, not the town. No shade on West Yorks frau und herren intended).

 

[Witchfinder Sargeant]

Thank you @VeniVidiVicki and @lilykestrel for digging all of that up and laying everything out so clearly! And VVV for sharing your experience - it must be such a minefield to navigate as a parent.

He's also taken on 'anti-ageing' LOL. I wonder who the target demographic for all this goop shite is, eh doc?

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omg. 'Pro-vaccine' are ya aye???? 'Damaged children'. Horrific.

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I wasn't vaccinated for measles when I was a child (I was covered in eczema and they weren't sure what I was allergic to and so the GP said he wasn't going to vaccinate me in case the egg protein the vaccines were grown on triggered a severe reaction).

When I was five, I caught measles. The girl I caught measles off died, and I was very seriously ill. As my mother listened to me screaming in terror that everything was dark and I couldn't see, she fucking wished she'd taken the chances with the vaccine. Vaccine-damaged children, aye? What about infection-damaged children? What about those children who never came back to school after catching "harmless" childhood diseases, because they'd been blinded, or deafened, or brain damaged, or they'd died? Or the babies born with congenital rubella syndrome, because mum came into contact with an unvaccinated and infected child? Or the children who, as adults, find that they are dealing with the sequelae of "harmless" childhood infections?

Fucking antivax nutters absolutely rip my knitting.

 

[stunrw]

Coming in from the past… re the Scottish doctor. I can’t see him on the GMC specialist register, so he’s not a consultant / hasn’t CCT’d.

Agreed. He removed it quickly from his Twitter bio when he caught some heat on here. He was discussed and evidenced that he's a nut job but I got burned at the stake.

I think he deserves his own thread but have no clue with where it would go or how to do it

 

[Gnomic Gnome]

Look at his LinkedIn. And add Gibraltar into the mix.

Oh, and his PhD is in Philosophy. So yeah.

If someone knows how to do a thread and where to put it I'll repost the stuff I dug up in the right place

Grift is strong with him

OT so spoilered.

Spoiler

He is a doctor. He’s currently registered to practice on the standard GMC register. His MB ChB is a medical degree.

He may well also have a PhD in Neuroscience. The ‘doctor of philosophy’ is no indicator of subject. I know as I have a PhD and my cert says this. It’s fairly typical for medical doctors to do a PhD mid-training, especially if they want to progress in competitive fields.

He may also be a member of the Royal College of Physicians, but I can’t find a search function. He will have passed the initial exam that is typically done as part of medical ‘core training’ (minimum 4 years post degree). This does not imply expertise in a speciality but broad competence across ‘medicine’ (as opposed to, say, surgery).

He may well be in the process of speciality, i.e. higher training. If he’s a physician, this won’t include psychiatry. That would require membership of the Royal College of Psychiatrists.

He is lying about being a ‘medical consultant’ as there is no such job title or role. He’s being tricksy with words and gets away with it as most people don’t have sufficient knowledge to interrogate.

Sorry if I am pointing out the obvious! I have enough knowledge about medicine careers to spot a liar or exaggerator a mile off

 

[Gnomic Gnome]

Coming in from the past… re the Scottish doctor. I can’t see him on the GMC specialist register, so he’s not a consultant / hasn’t CCT’d.

 

[stunrw]

Wow! Did he post that he was a consultant? The GMC would love to know about that. He’s implying credentials/expertise that he simply doesn’t have.

I found the whole spiel about Jack ‘deserving’ money really bizarre. But what do you expect from a Wakefield fan (the person, not the town. No shade on West Yorks frau und herren intended).

Look at his LinkedIn. And add Gibraltar into the mix.

Oh, and his PhD is in Philosophy. So yeah.

If someone knows how to do a thread and where to put it I'll repost the stuff I dug up in the right place

Grift is strong with him

 

[Itchy of Itchington]

I absolutely love it when Tattle goes on a deep dive. Woe betide the person with a questionable and traceable online history who underestimates the power of the Canal! They think we are a bunch of airhead ninnies when we are far from it

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

I knew his name rang a bell. I have an autistic child and I remember all those theories about gluten free and dairy free diets ‘improving’ autism floating around about 10 years’ ago.

‘Cures‘ and treatment for autism are massively contested. For people who aren’t parents of autistic children, those years when you’re trying to get to the bottom of what is going on with your kid, when you’re coming to terms with the fact that they’re not neurotypical, are really hard. There is huge scope for quackery to fill the void left by limited and overwhelmed NHS resources.

So this is just a quick scan of Mumsnet and Goyal’s recent assertion on Twitter that he didn’t sell autism treatments or cures.

Spoiler: Thread one screenshots

See the biomedical doctor she mentions who tells her he doesn’t think her daughter has autism? Well guess who that is?

I included these next few posts to show there is quite a lot of surprise that anyone who isn’t qualified to diagnose would be talking about whether a child has autism or not. Also am furious that Caudwell Children which is a grant making charity for disabled children was recommending this guy.

Poster then confirms that this biomedical doctor is indeed Dr Dan Goyal from Sincere Health. The link I circled where his credentials are listed goes to a website called Treating Autism which is now defunct. So he was listed on a website called Treating Autism.

another poster then confirms they also see Dr Goyal to provide biomedical advice for their autistic child.

Spoiler: Thread two

it’s now 5 months later. Same poster is still seeing him. Now she’s got some blood test results she’s curious about. So she’s got the results and then has to wait for him to interpret them. I wonder how much she‘s paid him?

Spoiler: Thread three

Different posters talking about him and Treating Autism which appears to be a membership organisation offering discounts on supplements to desperate parents.

Spoiler: Last one

Just to give a bit of context. This guy Robin this poster is talking about is Robin Pauc, who claimed he could completely cure virtually all ND conditions. As you can see, there’s a link between him and Goyal. Pauc calls himself a neurologist. Spoiler - he’s not: https://www.archive.is/oldest/https://www.theguardian.com/science/2006/apr/22/badscience.uknews

TL;DR - Dan Goyal absolutely presented himself as a man who was able to treat autism in children via his clinic Sincere Health and a linked website, Treating Autism. He exploited parents’ anxiety and worry about their children. He’s a despicable person.

ETA the first poster’s daughter was diagnosed with autism eventually by a doctor who is actually qualified to make a diagnosis

 

[Pocahontas]

A thread to discuss Dr Daniel Goyal.

An introduction by @stunrw :
72k followers. Charges people to cure autism via diet and was involved in that clinic where people were advised to drink bleach to cure it. Oh and he has a Patreon teaching/managing peoples twitter. And claims to be a consultant. When he isnt. As proved by the GMC register.

Continue! Thanks all.

 

[chizontiz]

Thank you @VeniVidiVicki and @lilykestrel for digging all of that up and laying everything out so clearly! And VVV for sharing your experience - it must be such a minefield to navigate as a parent.

He's also taken on 'anti-ageing' LOL. I wonder who the target demographic for all this goop shite is, eh doc?

ETA stolen from the hellsite so the highlight isn't mine but also lol
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omg. 'Pro-vaccine' are ya aye???? 'Damaged children'. Horrific.

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This is just one part of a thread on the hellsite where I also found the above screenshots from Breakspear. I tried to archive but it wouldn't let me please could somebody else try? The link in the tweet now goes to a 2018 seminar with no mention of Goyal

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alright I need to stop now before I lose another day to this absolute fucking weapon

 

[lilykestrel]

Found something else from 11 years ago on the National Autistic Society message boards which is quite sad. I hope they followed recs from the comments and sought a second opinion.

 

[lilykestrel]

I'm actually fucking fuming that this bloke has managed to shove some of this stuff somewhat under the rug and rehabilitate his image in the pandemic.

Pro-neurodiversity are you, pal? PRO-NEURODIVERSITY ARE YOU?

Here's the schedule from the 2015 Autism Solutions conference on Wayback.

If someone is pro-neurodiversity, why were they speaking at a conference put on by a man who in 2018 would claim that 'many patients have become neurotypical under his care', and presumably held the same opinion three years earlier, seeing as he's been 'treating' since 1986.

One of the fundamentals of 'neurodiversity' as a perspective is that autism does not need to be cured (indeed perhaps it cannot be) and that efforts spent on 'curing' and researching 'cures' would be better directed to making the world a better and more accommodating place for autistic people, and improving support and infrastructure for parents and caregivers etc. General social model of disability stuff.

If, in the decade since one was farting about putting autistic children on restrictive diets and giving them vitamins, and charging their parents through the nose for it, one realised that one's entire approach was flawed - why would you not apologise, rather than blocking people asking about it?

Spoiler: blocking, one isolated incident I stumbled on but

 

[lilykestrel]

Thank you @VeniVidiVicki and @lilykestrel for digging all of that up and laying everything out so clearly! And VVV for sharing your experience - it must be such a minefield to navigate as a parent.

He's also taken on 'anti-ageing' LOL. I wonder who the target demographic for all this goop shite is, eh doc?

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omg. 'Pro-vaccine' are ya aye???? 'Damaged children'. Horrific.

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Oooh I've just been delving through the Breakspear Medical Bulletin. Now I've been academia adjacent but am nowhere near medic Frau or medical adjacent but I'm a little befuddled whether this sort of flip-flopping in specialities is normal.

Here he is being introduced in the summer 2009 edition. He's been involved in international health issues and his academic interest is in the physical causes of mental illness.

In winter 2009, he was one of the few people trained in the 'Sherwood' technique for non-specific back pain - which wouldn't you know, Breakspear Hospital are one of the few to offer since Dr Sherwood retired. Which is weird, no? Given tropical medicine and physical causes of mental health and his subsequent segue into autism? (See below)

Spoiler: Sherwood technique

Here in Spring 2010, he's a member of Breakspear's ASD team.

Spoiler: ASD

And finally, as a little treat, in summer 2010 - I love me a doctor who puts together household packs of eco toiletries and cleaning products for me for the low low price of £35.25 (£52.88 for non-members) (I think VAT was still at 17.5% then)

 

[lilykestrel]

Found the Sincere Health website on Wayback, which has an information pack PDF. This is the 2012 snapshot.

Spoiler: Screenshot of first page here

Link: https://web.archive.org/web/20120901061659/http://www.sincerehealth.co.uk/SincereHealthInfo.pdf

To be fair to him, there's nothing explicit about "curing" autism, and it's centred on the physical issues autistic and ND kids can have.

However "suffering autism and related neurodevelopmental conditions" plus "rising rates of autism" (hm or is it better diagnostic and a child centred approach in education towards difference??) and "effective interventions"/"targeted medical treatment" ... it's all playing on the same worries wants and wishes isn't it?

And those prices ... Heartbreaking
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Kept poking around on Wayback and it's quite interesting seeing the website evolve in content

In March 2012 we have - all about the autism

In June 2012 we have a name, still autism and lots of different issues! And modern life and toxins!

Then in May 2013, we're tackling modern, environmental illness

This broke my heart from the 2013 contact us page, thinking of the woman on the other site who had blood test results, couldn't understand them, but was waiting til the end of the month to have a consultation. Assumedly if someone like her had emailed to ask for what it meant they'd have been charged.

 

[stunrw]

OT so spoilered.

Spoiler

He is a doctor. He’s currently registered to practice on the standard GMC register. His MB ChB is a medical degree.

He may well also have a PhD in Neuroscience. The ‘doctor of philosophy’ is no indicator of subject. I know as I have a PhD and my cert says this. It’s fairly typical for medical doctors to do a PhD mid-training, especially if they want to progress in competitive fields.

He may also be a member of the Royal College of Physicians, but I can’t find a search function. He will have passed the initial exam that is typically done as part of medical ‘core training’ (minimum 4 years post degree). This does not imply expertise in a speciality but broad competence across ‘medicine’ (as opposed to, say, surgery).

He may well be in the process of speciality, i.e. higher training. If he’s a physician, this won’t include psychiatry. That would require membership of the Royal College of Psychiatrists.

He is lying about being a ‘medical consultant’ as there is no such job title or role. He’s being tricksy with words and gets away with it as most people don’t have sufficient knowledge to interrogate.

Sorry if I am pointing out the obvious! I have enough knowledge about medicine careers to spot a liar or exaggerator a mile off

Thank you for confirming what I dug up!

Another grifting polyp on the anus of humanity

 

[Witchfinder Sargeant]

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There's always a compulsorily-dissolved company, isn't there? Amazing.

 

[lilykestrel]

I knew his name rang a bell. I have an autistic child and I remember all those theories about gluten free and dairy free diets ‘improving’ autism floating around about 10 years’ ago.

‘Cures‘ and treatment for autism are massively contested. For people who aren’t parents of autistic children, those years when you’re trying to get to the bottom of what is going on with your kid, when you’re coming to terms with the fact that they’re not neurotypical, are really hard. There is huge scope for quackery to fill the void left by limited and overwhelmed NHS resources.

So this is just a quick scan of Mumsnet and Goyal’s recent assertion on Twitter that he didn’t sell autism treatments or cures.

Spoiler: Thread one screenshots

See the biomedical doctor she mentions who tells her he doesn’t think her daughter has autism? Well guess who that is?
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I included these next few posts to show there is quite a lot of surprise that anyone who isn’t qualified to diagnose would be talking about whether a child has autism or not. Also am furious that Caudwell Children which is a grant making charity for disabled children was recommending this guy.
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Poster then confirms that this biomedical doctor is indeed Dr Dan Goyal from Sincere Health. The link I circled where his credentials are listed goes to a website called Treating Autism which is now defunct. So he was listed on a website called Treating Autism.
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another poster then confirms they also see Dr Goyal to provide biomedical advice for their autistic child.
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Spoiler: Thread two

it’s now 5 months later. Same poster is still seeing him. Now she’s got some blood test results she’s curious about. So she’s got the results and then has to wait for him to interpret them. I wonder how much she‘s paid him? View attachment 2223341
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Spoiler: Thread three

Different posters talking about him and Treating Autism which appears to be a membership organisation offering discounts on supplements to desperate parents.
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Spoiler: Last one

Just to give a bit of context. This guy Robin this poster is talking about is Robin Pauc, who claimed he could completely cure virtually all ND conditions. As you can see, there’s a link between him and Goyal. Pauc calls himself a neurologist. Spoiler - he’s not: https://www.archive.is/oldest/https://www.theguardian.com/science/2006/apr/22/badscience.uknews
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TL;DR - Dan Goyal absolutely presented himself as a man who was able to treat autism in children via his clinic Sincere Health and a linked website, Treating Autism. He exploited parents’ anxiety and worry about their children. He’s a despicable person.

ETA the first poster’s daughter was diagnosed with autism eventually by a doctor who is actually qualified to make a diagnosis

Thank you for the forensic-ness.

Here he says he is "pro-neurodiversity".

The cynic in me wonders if perhaps, with his finger on the pulse of Twitter and activism (cf Patreon), he clocked the growth of Autistic/Neurodiversity Twitter and the unpopularity of approaches he took in the previous decade, and quietly did an ideological and professional pivot?

 

[stunrw]

Came to notice going into whitenight for the Slop Goblin after the doxxing incident. Clearly lacking any form of critical thinking skills as failed to notice most of what she’s got up to, other than her “doing a lot of good” and subscribing to her Patreon. Which according to him she is up to date with. Missed the Kickstarter and Sue Lee issues for a start!

Lists himself as a Consultant with some very impressive post nominals, initially on his twitter but they suddenly disappeared when a few bods on here started to pick them apart.

Has 3 LinkedIns where he lists himself as a Consultant on one, an Environmental Physician on another and Internal Medicine and Clinical Lecturer on the last. He is registered to practice on the GMC register but isn't on the specialist register, so isnt a consultant as confirmed by several medically adjacent Hausfraus. Timeline for all his many qualifications dont add up if he only qualified in 2001.

Flogs cures for autism in children through his private clinic while seemingly working in the arse end of Scotland, and lecturing in Gibraltar.

Oh, and you could join his Patreon where he will teach you how to be an activist on Twitter. Has been suggested that this is who is attempting to rehabilitate/cleanse the Slop Goblins twitter and provider of all the auto postings on various far left twitter feeds.

Think that covers it for the start!

Edit: Also has a beard, is a paid contributor to New Statesman and has politics that make Corbyn look moderate. So is traditional neck beard material

 

[VeniVidiVicki]

As you can probably imagine the MMR shit also gives me the absolute rage. That’s so scary @Witchfinder Sargeant. I was at school with a girl whose mum had rubella when she was pregnant and one whole side of her face was malformed and her eye hadn’t grown.

Total charlatan. Incidentally, 96% of identical twins both have autism if it’s present. The degree of impact varies but it’s rare that both don’t have it.

That thing about the poor 2 year old has horrified me

 

[stunrw]

Thank you for finding that, especially the tweet!

Certainly raises questions about ethics etc outside tricksy wording claiming to be a consultant etc.

Just reading the horse shit he posted in support of the Slop Goblin set off my spidey sense. And as always with the Canal, we were right!