Did Richard III kill his nephews ? (was PK real?)

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Why wont they allow the bodies to be tested? The ideal time to do it would have been after they found Richard. If it was them they could have been buried with their parents.
 
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Why wont they allow the bodies to be tested? The ideal time to do it would have been after they found Richard. If it was them they could have been buried with their parents.
queen thinks it'll set a precedent for opening other royal casket or something - sounds shady though.. they were opened in the 30's and no one cares about deposing your family like..
 
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Yes they thought he'd died didnt they? I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of brain damage had occurred. And yes the open sore in his leg must have affected his mood too.
 
Yes they thought he'd died didnt they? I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of brain damage had occurred. And yes the open sore in his leg must have affected his mood too.
h8? yeah think so- and it would explain the personality change some historians have noted. He was always a manwhore.. but a tyrant that would off his wives?
 
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h8? yeah think so- and it would explain the personality change some historians have noted. He was always a manwhore.. but a tyrant that would off his wives?
h8? yeah think so- and it would explain the personality change some historians have noted. He was always a manwhore.. but a tyrant that would off his wives?
There were rumours he had doctors perform a caesarean section on Jane Seymour to save Edward when her labour was too long! I dont think it's true though as she died some time after, but it's interesting that even in those times he was seen as a tyrant and a killer.

As Ive been reading this thread, I've changed my mind! That article doesnt say anything. If the bodies arent the princes who are they? Why would two random boys be in the wall? I suppose it could prove that little Richard wasnt Richard and Eluzaberh Woodville had sent another child into the Tower in his place if they were DNA tested. But even if its proved to be them, it doesnt prove Richard murdered them because Margaret Beaufort could have got someone to infiltrate the tower and kill them. Maybe the real reason they havent been tested is because we're still talking about it 600 years later
 
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When the bones were found, it was noted that there were bits of velvet around the corpses. Velvet was quite a rare cloth for anyone until more recent times, so it can be surmised that the corpses were important people, and if you look at the rich and powerful children that were kept there, and whose burials are not known, there are only two candidates. That's definitive of course, but interesting nonetheless.
 
that is interesting!

that is interesting!
honestly always hoped they had gotten a poor boy to replace Richard.. not that that makes it better family members killing family members is horrific - and maybe I loved the white queen too much - aneurin barnard is fineee
 
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Philippa Gregory does stretch the history a bit too far sometimes, love her books but they can distract from the facts. I read that when the bones were studied in the 30’s one had a skull stain that was consistent with suffocation ????
 
Philippa Gregory does stretch the history a bit too far sometimes, love her books but they can distract from the facts. I read that when the bones were studied in the 30’s one had a skull stain that was consistent with suffocation ????
oh interesting where'd you read that? it would support thomas moore's writings on the whole thing
 
Philippa Gregory does stretch the history a bit too far sometimes, love her books but they can distract from the facts. I read that when the bones were studied in the 30’s one had a skull stain that was consistent with suffocation ????
To be fair, they are fiction Agree with you that it does make it difficult to distinguish the facts from the truth. But then again, Richard's reputation is almost entirely based on Shakespeare, who was writing for Henry vii's granddaughter. Anyone questioning the 'bad Richard' narrative would have been questioning her right to be on the Throne.

Oh thanks@ you have to pay for them on Amazon!
 
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that's for the white queen only -> let me know for the white princess when you're ready

Has anyone read thomas More's writings on the deaths of the princes? basically he was a young child at the time but knew people that had been in R3's court and somehow described the event completely including where the bones were hidden in the tower almost a century before they were found