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Msanya36
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Just to wade in here on the whole Genocide comparison etc. Now I am somebody who I guess literally studies the Holocaust, a ton of books on the subject. I've been to Auschwitz, Sachsenhausen and Plazow Concentration Camps. It's very easy remember to immediately say, distance ourselves from what happened because we aren't Jewish or yes obviously the glaring thing of they were put on trains and shipped to their Deaths. OBVIOUSLY that is the horrific end result that is glaringly not happening now! BUT what I do not agree with is people then not taking heed from warnings from Survivors. In every book I have the ending is ALWAYS the same, the Survivors account literally pleads with YOU to at least be vigilant, to remember, to learn from it! The reason is, is so early on that at least it may have a chance to be stopped. Because once it started and those Trains rolled -Remember THOUGHT UP by top, ya EDUCATED Men, it was too late! So for me, this WAS KEY. Otherwise it is all for nothing. The MINUTE they've ever mentioned a Vaccine, or Mass Vaccination I IMMEDIATELY said and thought -"What will they make us wear or do to tell the Vaccinated from the Unvaccinated". It was my literal first thought and ya fear! And then to see SEGREGATION Policies sweeping in. For me: THAT was enough, THAT was the warning. And do you know where it was SCREAMING at me from- every single one of those Survivor Accounts. That's where. So for me, that was enough, I would never bow to that. And then everything that has happened since? The DIVISION, the HATE, Governments/ Newspapers etc just sooo sudden. Even from an Observation point of view: I do believe we may have caught one disgusting glimpse of what it may have been like in Europe in the 1930s. That thing just creeping in. It's unbelievably scarey and it really doesn't take very much for it to be taken further. It's what Humans do!
Purrrrrrr
VIP Member
Can I just say I never likened it to the holocaust, that was you There is someone else here obsessed with the holocaust and putting words into my mouth. is it a new trend?
What do you think about them putting covid patients into care homes?
What do you think about them giving DNR orders on not only the vulnerable and the elderly but children and young people with learning difficulties?
That's just off the top of my head. I know many were being put onto ventilators even though they had already been told that they were not the correct treatment
I followed a few people who got covid and they were chatting away posting on FB from their ICU bed getting takeaways etc then they would say the Dr isn't happy with my breathing and are putting me on a ventilator. They all died.
the reason I followed those people is media saying "anti-vaxer" or "covid denier" gets covid.
So I always do a search, none were covid deniers and none were anti-vax they just hadn't had their vaccine for whatever reason, Nothing on their SM said CT, anti-vax, anti masker or anything of the sort.
The truth will come out fully one day and that isn't a CT. that is a fact!
Freedomofspeech89
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Hot_Dogs_Or_Toes
Chatty Member
Yes I watched it although the view offers no context of what/where this person was speaking. She reeks of arrogance and self importance too in my opinion. She accepts she's not a doctor but because she has some anecdotal stories to tell she thinks she's some kind of expert unveiling a great conspiracy.
So let's get this straight; you think that the governments, that is every single government in every single country of the world is conspiring the murder its citizens using an elaborate virus and vaccine method? Where does this level of conspiracy in you come from? Are you ok?
I get outraged at the general truth decay and conspiracy nonsense that this thread is full of. People deserve to be called out for it especially when they liken it to something like the holocaust.
Msanya36
Chatty Member
Now as for Genocide: you must remember the subject is extremely hard to study. I mean, no other Species sets out to kill members of their OWN species, in such high numbers? For 1 poisonous reason? Like the subject is such a YAWNING hole, with no answer at the bottom!
Like in that span say of early 1930s to 1945, look at what happened outside of the War itself. A Crime with No Name. Rwanda I think is the only comparison I think in that the speed at which it happened.
So to bring it back to current circumstances. You must remember this: In reality we have no idea what World Leaders talk about, what could be cooked up for a reason they justify to themselves. Human Population you can guarantee is the no.1 topic for them, they wouldn't tell us that of course. It's an ugly topic because at the end of the day: how to you broach the topic of getting rid of alot of people?
But what they can do is bring it all under Climate issues etc which we are all on board with right, saving the planet cos we are the problem after all.
Like, if a Genocide ever happens again, you can bet your life it won't happen or be conducted in the OBVIOUS way of the Holocaust or butchering people over the course of a few weeks. It will be far more sophisticated then that, a quieter cleaner, slower method. Covid itself was perfect: where were the bodies on the streets or your neighbours dead in their homes? Nowhere?
A Vaccine that by any standards, was very fast, no years of trials, no long-term data.... That the People themselves lined up for, is also perfect! With side effects and deaths that said People happily ignored because their focus is on the 1 poisonous reason that was repeated over n over n over again!
As I said, if a Genocide happens again, it will be so we won't even be able to recognise it!
percent me lately 
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Like in that span say of early 1930s to 1945, look at what happened outside of the War itself. A Crime with No Name. Rwanda I think is the only comparison I think in that the speed at which it happened.
So to bring it back to current circumstances. You must remember this: In reality we have no idea what World Leaders talk about, what could be cooked up for a reason they justify to themselves. Human Population you can guarantee is the no.1 topic for them, they wouldn't tell us that of course. It's an ugly topic because at the end of the day: how to you broach the topic of getting rid of alot of people?
But what they can do is bring it all under Climate issues etc which we are all on board with right, saving the planet cos we are the problem after all.
Like, if a Genocide ever happens again, you can bet your life it won't happen or be conducted in the OBVIOUS way of the Holocaust or butchering people over the course of a few weeks. It will be far more sophisticated then that, a quieter cleaner, slower method. Covid itself was perfect: where were the bodies on the streets or your neighbours dead in their homes? Nowhere?
A Vaccine that by any standards, was very fast, no years of trials, no long-term data.... That the People themselves lined up for, is also perfect! With side effects and deaths that said People happily ignored because their focus is on the 1 poisonous reason that was repeated over n over n over again!
As I said, if a Genocide happens again, it will be so we won't even be able to recognise it!
This is
percent me lately .
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Misbehaving
VIP Member
I'm so sad for this boy and his family, I have a son the same age, and it's concerning, the vaccine roll out is still continuing for this age group.The 12-year-old boy had suffered a heart attack "of unclear origin" just one day after being given the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine.
"Officials across the world have regularly stressed the benefits of getting the vaccine far outweigh the risk of side effects."
The benefit of this vaccine sadly did not outweigh the risk of side effects with this child.
Investigation into 12-year-old boy's death days after Covid vaccine
Health officials say the origin of the boy's heart attack was 'unclear'. He died three days later. Read more about the tragedy.au.news.yahoo.com
Nothing says "safe and effective" better then hiding data:
My son changed schools he did not get the co vid vaccine previously, now tomorrow at his new school they are offering the vaccine.
I personally not do like this process of giving the vaccine in a school setting.
If parents wanted to get the vaccine for their child that's what the doctor is for, or a clinic or other healthcare setting.
It just feels like a massive push to vaccinate as many as possible.
It makes me uneasy.
I don't want him to have it, and come at me (some of you) if you want but I don't think I'll be taking him to school tomorrow.
I just don't want to risk it.
Yes it's easy to critique a parent for being concerned, or overly cautious, but I really think that a massive shift in attitudes has occured since this pandemic began. I see a lot more people starting to question the medical profession and government and their attitude of they'll tell us what's best for us.
No I think we'll make up our own minds thanks!
Also I believe that my son is a highly sensitive child and I think it's quite probable, he could have an adverse reaction.
People forget that everyone is different, some will be able to waltz through life, and be able to tolerate anything, but if your sensitive, or have a family history of asthma, psoriasis, hay fever, and diabetes like I do, is it not conceivable that giving a vaccine just might not be the right thing to do?
Also it's easy to be dismissive or downplay other people's fears, but tbh that to me is just a way of invalidating other people's understandable concerns?
It's like someone telling you it's all in your head!
Or not to worry, it'll be fine, it was for me etc it's a kind of I'm alright jack attitude, that's getting a bit grating to be honest...(I'm not talking about anyone in particular, it's just a general impression I get from some pro vaccine people).
Yeah it's fine, it's all fine...and mother's (who'd have em) seem to come in for particular fire.... hysterical clingy, controlling mother's/partners (yes they do exist I also have both!), but let's not make such sweeping generalisations for all mother's/women thanks!
It's difficult enough being a parent at the moment, and we are the ones who have a duty to care and protect our loved ones.
Kids are not daft, they feel who loves them, yes even if it feels too much at times, one day they'll ,most probably appreciate it, at least someone was looking out for them.
Why am I saying all this, because this efffing sneaky government wanted to find a way, to get around a parents consent, and invalidate their authority, and get kids to give consent (without permission from adults) from a young and immature and impressionable age.
That creeps me out, that makes me not to trust them, why by that logic why not make parents redundant all together....mmm?
Maybe the state can bring them up and provide for them, and decide how they live their lives, also why not create dissent as well between children and parents.. .you know those outmoded controlling things that have the audacity to actually care!
Parents are a threat though, aren't they?
How dare they stand in the way of progress via a vaccine programme, that young children absolutely Don't need, and could (very sadly) in the case above be potentially very harmful.
Also easy to dismiss the life long effects of having cardiac issues , if you've never experienced them yourself, well I have and it's no walk in the park let me tell you.
Constant appointments, monitoring, medication, surgeries and yes worry, oh it's easy to be shrug it off if you're fit and have never lived with a long term health condition, but in a sense your life is never your own.
Its a burden on a young person's shoulders, you get a sense of being different from your peers, you have to grow up quickly and before your time, you start over thinking about nearly every decision you make, just because of the effect it could have on your health, it's tiring it's laborious, it's difficult to be spontaneous, or care free, because you have to be your own carer!
Particularly if like me, you don't have very loving or protective parents, and to an already prematurely overloaded person is sometimes given more pressure, more responsibility.
I was asking myself the other day, about this and the realisation was that I never really had a childhood, not in a self pitying way, just feeling like I hadn't had much fun in life?
So that's the point to me, I don't know what caused my heart defect, but I can still feel for those who end up with heart issues because of the vaccine, because it robs them of their quality of life, even if it's not always fatal, your life and energy and joy are compromised.
Why can't kids just be left to be kids, why does the adult world have to be so intrusive, and no it's not always parents, but a society that uses parents as a scapegoat for all the ills in society, yes let's point the finger, and then those lovable politicians who only want (know) what is best for us, have very cleverly identified a problem (so we don't have to) and now they swoop down (bit like vultures imo) with a proposed solution...great
It just reminds me of the Karpman drama triangle (hope I've spelt that correctly)?
Victim, persecutor, rescuer....they are going to save us all from a deadly virus (rescuer) and we don't want to be potential victims right?
However if we don't comply with the suggested treatment of a vaccine we get veiled and real threats. . loss of jobs, not being able to travel, being kept in isolation, etc etc (persecutor)
Also roles shift according to whichever narrative they want to play ...so (peaceful protests) are dangerous gatherings full of dissenters, and troublemakers (this time they are portraying themselves as the innocent party) victim or threatened by the lawless mob!
Still the good law abiding citizens can save the day, by policing others thoughts, opinions and actions and then you know, saving the government the job of actually having to convince people, oh no that's just too much like hard work,no peer pressure of the disapproval or rejection from the group (or fear of) is sometimes enough
Yes the ones who do as they are told are rewarded, since when did obedience become such a civic virtue, although it's fine to do as the majority do it's in your best interest, but is it ?
The propoganda of fear during this pandemic has been enormous, so has the pearl clutching superior attitude of some others, who would frown on anyone for being different!
God help me, but is this the country I grew up in?
I don't recognise it anymore, or maybe I'm naive, I grew up in a tough corner of the north east, and people were not shy in standing up for themselves, nor afraid to be an individual,or push back when people had violated their sense of boundaries (something that this government and media are doing constantly imo)
Looking back it was the norm to question things, even refuse if you didn't believe in them, it was expected,? Also not having to justify yourself to anyone, only to yourself? People felt free to follow your their own paths,regarding making decisions affecting their families in privacy and without interference, and without having the worry that we have now, (or during the pandemic) about curtain twitching neighbors grassing us up?, Or without being verbally harassed for not wearing a mask, or have others muttering under their breath or moving away... because (stranger) danger it's another human being, whatever will I do..... panic...
God's sake this is not the bubonic plague, the social/mind/behavioural control is hugely excessive!
If that's what people bow down to, or think as normal then all I can say at this point is, you'll get the kind of governance that you deserve (allow) then?
Don't blame others then if you end up with zero rights for anything in the future then.
This crazy making rhetoric that vaccines should be taken to serve the state and save others is patently absurd and.a nasty form of gaslighting to boot.
This being the government (not that labour have been better) that have gradually made nearly all of us poorer less healthy and with less chances or choices in life, and really have eroded the general quality of life for many, while they themselves act as if it's party central and behave like pigs with their noses in a trough.... can't get enough of our fear our compliance, and make themselves richer and more powerful and yet more greedy at the same time.
Talk about blatant opportunism, yet I'm supposed to take these people at face value, suspend all disbelief and get my son injected, because they suggest it?
Well it's not the so called crazy tin foil hatters who are mad or dangerous imo, let's just put it that way!
Yes this is what will be dismissed as a rant by some, but I have strong feelings regarding the welfare and health of my kids (they have struggled enough as it is) sorry if that's inconvenient or annoying for some people, but as far as I'm concerned it's something worth expressing concerns about, yes even frustration, even making a long assed post, but I just want to say to other parents feeling under pressure right now, that I get it, I know where you are coming from, and it's from a place of love and care.
The government or the systems it represents cannot say the same.
Freedomofspeech89
VIP Member
You should be blaming the system, not the people. No one should have to claim exemption from having a medical procedure they don't want. That should be basic human rights.
Well said @Purrrrrrr !
the truth absolutely will come out. I always believe light wins. It is so true about ventilation. This doctor I dealt with was adamant and furious that I wouldn’t go to ICU. I didn’t need to. I was ill and receiving the appropriate treatment with my transfusions. She kept screaming at me I couldn’t breath, while I’m on a monitor telling us my oxygen is fine and I’m sat there having a long conversation with her about this
. She was over and over telling me I needed prepping for ventilation. Absolutely surreal. I believe, on my childrens lives, left to her I wouldn’t be here today. And it horrifies me every second of everyday. So you are right in what you seen with others. How many before and after me had she done this to?
the truth absolutely will come out. I always believe light wins. It is so true about ventilation. This doctor I dealt with was adamant and furious that I wouldn’t go to ICU. I didn’t need to. I was ill and receiving the appropriate treatment with my transfusions. She kept screaming at me I couldn’t breath, while I’m on a monitor telling us my oxygen is fine and I’m sat there having a long conversation with her about this
. She was over and over telling me I needed prepping for ventilation. Absolutely surreal. I believe, on my childrens lives, left to her I wouldn’t be here today. And it horrifies me every second of everyday. So you are right in what you seen with others. How many before and after me had she done this to?Hot_Dogs_Or_Toes
Chatty Member
The holocaust is an example of a genocide, the other groups the Nazi's targeted are examples of genocide. The Covid 19 pandemic is not an example of a genocide, not even remotely close and to do so totally disrespects actual true genocides that have taken place. It's pure trolling from you on this point and nothing else.
Purrrrrrr
VIP Member
Yes, more and more speaking out. What has gone on IMO was genocide, one day the truth of it all will come out.
StrawberryCream
VIP Member
To me it sounds like that man is mentally unwell if he’s threatening to overdose? Just because someone has no previous MH issues doesn’t mean they can’t develop them. I know people that have been to their doctor for an exception because of previous vaccine reactions and their doctor has been very understanding and given them it. You don’t sound very understanding at all? Mabye you should look for a career change if you are sick of dealing with these people, I wouldn’t want you to be my doctor anyway and potentially telling strangers online my private business.
StrawberryCream
VIP Member
People only don’t see the connection because they don’t want to see it, they can’t comprehend that the way they feel about unvaccinated people is similar to the way nazis seen ‘minorities’. I got people’s backs up a few months ago for posting about this but then someone came along and started writing that they don’t care if unvaccinated people die and were agreeing with the two tier society in Austria, so they just proved me right.
Poddular
VIP Member
Wasn't going to post again on here but have people really forgotten about the care workers, the stress of the threat of job losses for NHS workers, what is happening around the world and as shown by a post the other day, if you are not fully vaccinated for whatever reason you are not allowed into most other countries.
Not really to do with health , plenty to do with control.
And people must realise travel is not just for holidays in the sun , many people are separated by water and the years are passing by!!!!
Not really to do with health , plenty to do with control.
And people must realise travel is not just for holidays in the sun , many people are separated by water and the years are passing by!!!!
HoGi
VIP Member
People not going to A&E when they should have.
People not being able to see GPs face to face or at all.
Cancer treatments being delayed/cancelled
Suicides
Isolation leading to cognitive decline.
There are more examples than the above.
Plenty of reasons that aren't covid.
VoodooChile
Active member
I’m concerned about them changing their mind in the future and making it difficult for our unjabbed children to participate in society, but I’m also concerned for all those little kids whose parents will vaccinate them. These children have no say in this and if the jabs prove to be as dangerous as some of us fear, these innocent children will live with the lifelong effects. I am very troubled by this and will be interested to see who opts to jab their kids. I’m afraid it’s a red line for me and really don't think I could respect anyone that does it.
StrawberryCream
VIP Member
All restrictions including the vaccine pass dropped in Scotland from March 21st 
Motherofpugs
Chatty Member
Why should those who have been harmed or damaged by the vaccines not be allowed to share their stories because it might change someone’s mind? Surely that is the very opposite to informed consent. It’s also pretty undermining of the fact that we are supposed to have free choice. Someone changing their mind is their right to do so.
rainbowlemon
VIP Member
Not trying to change your mind- just highlighting the fact that vaccines are not as safe as they were portrayed.
Poddular
VIP Member
All my nieces have been vaccinated, all had period problems, one has shaved off her long hair due to hair loss, one has newly diagnosed Hashimotos and just heard one at doctors with Bells Palsy.
I heard an advert on the radio today telling people to get tested for HIV and also saw one for heavy period problems.
Coincidences ? Or scandalous damage to peoples bodies?
I heard an advert on the radio today telling people to get tested for HIV and also saw one for heavy period problems.
Coincidences ? Or scandalous damage to peoples bodies?