COVID-19 vaccine #12 & general vaccine conversation

[uwu]

After seeing the actual statistics of people dying from only covid in the uk I'm actually annoyed with myself for getting the vaccine. I wish I had waited now. Starting to make sense why so many NHS staff do not want the vaccine. I know for a fact that I won't be having a 4th if they offer one.

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

To me saying vaccine immunity is better than natural is like saying formula milk is better than breast milk.
Science can do great things. But it can't replicate and surpass the brilliance and complexity of the human body, which has evolved over thousands of years to work perfectly with our environment. We have evolved to be able to fight viruses.

I completely understand that some people don't want to risk getting covid and so would rather get a vax. Fine your choice. But lots of us can see covid isn't a risk to us and are happy to trust our bodies.

Why the constant fight to prove the vax is amazing and people that don't want it are stupid conspiracy theorists who need to be forced. Why not let people just make their own choice to risk covid or risk the vax.

 

[cill2019]

No let up for the yanks still pushing ahead with vaccinating kids View attachment 1031590

I have a friend in Houston, Texas and honestly she cannot WAIT to get her kids vaxxed. She has them absolutely terrified to the point they won’t touch the post in the morning in case they get covid. Has basically told them if they get covid they will die! Her step daughter (she doesn’t live with them) tested positive, she made her husband wear a mask in the house and isolate away from them despite testing negative. She’s terrified of the kids getting sick but cannot see that her behaviour is doing so much more harm. It’s so sad to see

 

[HaggisInMyBin]

Except when it is dangerous to their patients like in the case of NHS workers.

I think I'm starting to take a view that for some, vaccine resistance is simply about resisting being told what to do just for the sake of it. I've noticed that there are a sizeable number of people who I've come across in life that whenever they are met with any form of authority they'll rebel. It'll start at school by rebelling against their teachers, then it'll be against other forms of authority perhaps the police or those daft idiots who film themselves refusing to pay for a TV licence or something equally inane.

I honestly think that if government policy had been to not vaccinate people these same anti-vaxxers would have been pro-vaxxers just because that would be the rebellious thing to do.

I personally know of 5 care homes in my local area that have closed to visitors/implemented quarantine procedures/are bed blocking hospital discharges/can’t function. All due to those pesky triple jabbed staff who’ve brought it into the home. If you can catch it, carry it and transmit it to others whether you’re vaccinated or not then how does that make someone unvaccinated more dangerous?

As for the view you’re starting to take, I’ve
no idea where you’re from but I’ve never met anyone locally to me that’s ‘this’ vaccine resistant because they don’t like being told what to do. Most people I know who are hesitant are intelligent, well educated and well travelled and have previously had more vaccinations than come as standard (often at a fair expense) for travel. Travelling is a big thing in my area. Limiting that isn’t something that is taken lightly but I know a fair few that have and will continue to do so because they don’t want this one.

 

[Freedomofspeech89]

 

[emmmmm1111]

Hahaha this made me laugh today

 

[cill2019]

Is it safe to come out This hysterical mother can’t believe what I’m reading!

 

[KYLIE]

Is anyone on here NHS and refusing the jab?

It would be interesting to hear what you plan to do next. Is there a support scheme in place? Help to find a new role? Or are people just fucked off after working their arses off during the last 2 years into the cold and left to find something else to support them/their family, with no help whatsoever?

It makes me angry just thinking about it tbh.

 

[xyzcba]

I had several midwives tell me
a) they also wouldn't have got the jab if they were pregnant
b) they only got it to keep their job and not because they wanted it

It breaks my heart that it has come to this. That those that are trained to protect us, and offer us body autonomy, are not afforded that same respect themselves. There is no certainties with this vax, just that it may reduce transmission, and should/will lessen symptoms for the individual, and in my mind that is no way near a good enough reason to sack staff from an already struggling NHS - who people were happy to use through the last 2 years of a pandemic. But now things are calming down, let's boot out the dirty unvaxxed...

Purely anecdotally, I didn't have the jabs and neither did my husband, who lived with me whilst I was ill for 10 days, with a high viral load. Surely given our vax status, logic would have said I would have passed it on to him? But I didn't.

Just to add before 'anti-vaxxer' is used as a slur to try to discredit me, I had my whooping cough vax this month. I believe in Choice.

(In other, more frivalent biscuit-y news - whilst waiting for my taste to return fully, I have recently tried the new blackcurrant jaffa cakes & can report that I tested both tangy blackcurrant & dark chocolate, so things are looking up )

 

[StrawberryCream]

1.6 billion disposable masks entered the ocean in 2020 and will take 450 years to biodegrade

Discarded face masks and gloves rising threat to ocean life, conservationists warn

The bright colours of latex gloves risk can be mistaken as food by seabirds, turtles and other marine mammals putting them at risk of severe injuries and death

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Cupcakemum]

You need to look up the definition of trolling.

1. Because vaccination can make them even more resilient. That's a good thing.

2. Hysterical mothers will always find something new to get hysterical over. It seems like vaccines are the thing for you.

Why are you so afraid of them??

You're baiting people - that's trolling.

The vaccine is harming children, covid wont. The stats prove that

If by hysterical you mean protective over their baby then I think that's a good thing. It's your instincts working for you and what keeps you and your baby safe

I'm not afraid of them - I've had 2 vaccines! Was I wary? Of course! It seems I was right to be wary because I did suffer an adverse reaction. That was confirmed by 2 doctors!

Will I always advocate for free choice and non judgement? Absolutely!
If you think that makes me afraid then you need to wise up in the world and open your teeny mind a bit

 

[rainbowlemon]

She said the same the other week, how judgmental it had all gotten.

I fell out with a close friend and haven't spoken to her since. In her view as long as my brother hadn't died, his reaction was still okay and that I should still get vaxxed because "she believed in science" in response to me asking her about spike proteins .

Calling me an anti- vaxxer, stupid, asking if I wanted some more tin foil, a doesn't make me want to carry on being a friend either.

There's no going back from any of that if you can not respect my choice.

Yes the gov did do a U turn, but it was horrible of them to place that ultimatum in the first place too to coerce as many more people as they could.

 

[StrawberryCream]

2. Hysterical mothers will always find something new to get hysterical over. It seems like vaccines are the thing for you.

Disgusting comment not wanting to vaccinated your child with a new vaccine that has terrible side effects including heart inflammation and death is not being a hysterical mother.

 

[Cupcakemum]

I know, he spoke really well. I always find the “other side” of the argument use someone who has lost a family member to COVID to make it more emotive to try and manipulate the people to side with them.

I had to laugh at her saying that patients should be able to say no to care from someone who hasn't been vaccinated.
How does she ever think that will work! So unvaccinated Steve is on call one night and an emergency comes in. His vaccinated colleague is busy. Does she really think that a person would choose to die of their medical emergency over having Dr Steve help them? Dr Steve can over ride that choice thanks to 'best interests' anyway if it's an emergency.

It makes me so angry that people are now shitting themselves that the nhs will crumble.
Where was this anger when 60,000 care staff were lost? Not there, because people are selfish and don't need carers at this point in their life. So what about the elderly people it has impacted on!

If they drop this mandate then of course I'll be happy, but I'll also be sad that carers were lambs to the slaughter.
It makes no sense to keep the mandate for them if they backtrack on nhs staff.
Science my arse!

 

[Oohthedrama]

- 6 million outstanding operations

- Patients traveling to Scotland for access to breast cancer specialist because of a lack of doctors.

**** staff being forced out of their job because they’re not comfortable taking a relatively new vaccine or even just a booster jab after a bad reaction ****

- you can still get sick, I have two in the family who have it right now.

- You can still transmit the virus.

is the sacrifice worth it. Are they trying to cripple the health services

I’m pro advances in science, vaccines are necessary and always have been IMO.
but I won’t be forced to put anything into my body unless it’s my choice or I’m deemed incapable of making informed choices. Nobody should. And nobody should face unemployment on the back of it.

it will destroy many more lives than it saves.

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

My two main issues with the NHS vax mandate is (other than the fact everyone should have the right to live a free life while choosing what happens to their own body), the vax isn't that good. If it completely stopped you getting it and spreading it (I still woulndt be onboard with a mandate) but at least then you could see the argument a bit better. But this vax doesn't do either. There is just no point in a mandate when it's actually only really good at protecting the recipient if they are vulnerable to covid. Its benefits are pretty minimal to everyone else.

My second issue is, current staff did not sign up to being required to take a new technology vaccination while still in its trial phase. If they wanted to mandate all future staff have the vax, then fine. But I don't think it's fair to mandate it to people that already work there. It's not as simple as find another job. If you've spent your whole life working for the NHS, it's not gonna be that easy to find another job outside the NHS. These people have dedicated their lives to the NHS, just to be shown the door over a vax that has a very minimal benefit towards a virus that is on the way out anyway.

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

But leaving your child exposed to a proven potential deadly disease instead? Yeah that's being a great mother.

You've lost the plot. It's not a proven deadly disease to children.

If you want to spew mysoganistic bullshit about mothers being hysterical you go on. The rest of us will carry on respecting womens rights to choose what is best for them and their babies.

 

[Kittylover2019]

I am not bothered if NHS CHOOSE to be vaccinated or not. I am bothered if it becomes mandatory though, I believe it would be the start of a slippery slope.

Do we then start to only offer health services to vaccinated people or patients can only be admitted if they are vaccinated, what about visitors, after all they would be on a ward with other patients? Will I be refused my treatment? It goes on and on.

I am a daily in patient every 8 week whilst administered immunosuppressants intravenously. Therefore I am immunosupressed and classed as 'vulnerable'. I've had covid, not vaxxed, never will be and I'm not bothered if any of the staff are or aren't on my ward.

There is plenty of information and data coming out now in favour of scrapping the mandatory element for the NHS and I've got my fingers crossed that it is scrapped.

Until you yourself or know someone who works in the NHS it is grossly underestimated the amount of pressure that understaffing is causing even at the moment. The loss of such a huge amount of staff will be catastrophic!

 

[CelinaRoger]

I still don't understand why the anti-vaxxers on this thread don't get so worked up over every other vaccine out there? Every single one of them can have side effects, sometimes serious ones in a tiny proportion of cases. Or am I wrong and are you against all vaccines too?

I'm not what would typically be classed as an "anti vaxxer' both myself and my children ate vaccinated/ get the flu jab etc.. I've even decided if My kids don't end up catching chicken pox soon I will have them vaccinated for that too.

I am all for informed choice, for all my babies vaccines I researched and weighed up my options. For example, with my baby with allergies it wasn't worth getting the rota virus vaccine as it had high risk of intussception and the benefits of the vaccine only last for a few weeks. For me it isn't about being anti vax, it is about being allowed to make an informed choice that suits each individual where the benefits greatly outweigh the risks, and for us, the covid vaccine doesn't fit that criteria.

 

[begaphobia]

You are the outlier in this debate I'm sorry to say Strawberry. Ask yourself why your views are shared by so few people and take a minute to step outside of your echo chamber once in a while too.



I'm sure they will be able to find a reason not to like it don't worry about that.

Nah I’m with Strawberry here as I believe are more on this thread, it’s not difficult to understand. Also never experienced censorship like it on social media for people asking innocent questions, absolutely shocking! But I find it PAINFUL to debate on this thread so I typically keep quiet.